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2018-19 Utica Comets Thread

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9 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

Yes ECHL has to be the right play here! He’s getting scratched more than he’s playing in the AHL right now!

Considering the Comets are our farm team, JG should be getting ice time ahead of any veteran AHLer’s, who have no chance of ever playing for us.  

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Considering the Comets are our farm team, JG should be getting ice time ahead of any veteran AHLer’s, who have no chance of ever playing for us.  

They want their AHL team to win and if the coach and GM of the Comets say the best chance is by icing the current roster then you have to agree with them. If Gadjovich isn’t ready for the AHL he isn’t ready. Don’t force him into the lineup because you have control. Send him down he’s only 20 years old. Not everybody is ready for the AHL being that young! Heck guys like Suzuki and Glass stayed in the CHL. It was a mistake rushing so many guys into the AHL instead of having them play as overagers in the CHL. There are only so many spots on a roster.

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3 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

They want their AHL team to win and if the coach and GM of the Comets say the best chance is by icing the current roster then you have to agree with them. If Gadjovich isn’t ready for the AHL he isn’t ready. Don’t force him into the lineup because you have control. Send him down he’s only 20 years old. Not everybody is ready for the AHL being that young! Heck guys like Suzuki and Glass stayed in the CHL. It was a mistake rushing so many guys into the AHL instead of having them play as overagers in the CHL. There are only so many spots on a roster.

Nope.  It’s our team, and it’s only focus should be developing future Canucks.  We dump millions into that club.  Play JG, and see what we got.  If he can’t muster up the gumption to fight his way through the league’s toughest players, then he’ll never be of use to us.  JG is either a fighter, who can play fourth line minutes, or he’s not a player.  Let’s find out.

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8 hours ago, Alflives said:

Nope.  It’s our team, and it’s only focus should be developing future Canucks.  We dump millions into that club.  Play JG, and see what we got.  If he can’t muster up the gumption to fight his way through the league’s toughest players, then he’ll never be of use to us.  JG is either a fighter, who can play fourth line minutes, or he’s not a player.  Let’s find out.

Yet again Alf you demonstrate how lucky the world of Hockey has been knowing that you chose an alternate career path.:lol:

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5 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Yet again Alf you demonstrate how lucky the world of Hockey has been knowing that you chose an alternate career path.:lol:

JG is a physically mature guy, and has been for several years.  He's either got what it takes to play the role he was drafted to fill at the NHL level, or he does not.  Play the kid in that role at the AHL level.  Let's see what we have in him.  If he can't bop with the big boys down in the A, he won't be any good to us up here, and it will be time to move on.  The younger we can determine a prospect is going to bustaroo, the more we can get in return - via trade.  We need to use our farm to both develop and evaluate.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

JG is a physically mature guy, and has been for several years.  He's either got what it takes to play the role he was drafted to fill at the NHL level, or he does not.  Play the kid in that role at the AHL level.  Let's see what we have in him.  If he can't bop with the big boys down in the A, he won't be any good to us up here, and it will be time to move on.  The younger we can determine a prospect is going to bustaroo, the more we can get in return - via trade.  We need to use our farm to both develop and evaluate.  

I'm sorry but you are wrong imo. There are many ways to develop players. Punishing him by sitting him is generally not one of them. I agree with the poster you replied to, the vets are there to increase the experience level and the winning environment for the younger players. If Gadjovich can't make a place for himself he needs an environment where he can work on his weaknesses

Ironically I actually had your point of view regarding Palmu but my problem with what we did there was that I felt he had already dominated in Finland and yet he could make no impression in Utica so there must be something lacking imo in the Finnish League.

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JG had his best game as a comet a couple of weeks ago, then I think he got hurt. Has not played since. Really expected him to have increased playing time. Archie is gone, it's not like the comets couldn't use some size. 

 

But then again the team is on a roll so maybe it's the " if it's not broke , don't fix it" ....

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12 minutes ago, Connor comet said:

it's not like the comets couldn't use some size. 

They have lots of size; trouble is that a number of them don't skate all that well and three are basically ECHL call ups. Players with size of note: MacEwen, 6'4 - 211; Gaunce, 6'2 - 214; both bonafide AHL or better then you have Arseneau 6'2 - 231, Woods 6'3 - 222 and newcomer Wyszomirki 6'4 - 230. The Canucks do not even have a roster that has that much size to it.

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..... the team is on a roll so

Agreed!  Mebbe even someone on here, anyone, can also give Kero a few positives while we're at it.  No hatty is ever easy, but Kero's grafted all year for this one.

 

After weathering Canucks' injury curse and often unhelpful roster moves, Comet's management appear to have risen to the challenge and built an impressive team anyway, and one that can compete.  So many reasons to be optimistic - enough of our young guys are playing and improving and Comets may yet prove to have found a decent young  netminder of their own into the bargain.  Now won't that be something if a Comets' signing eventually beat out Canucks' high draft picks!

 

I don't get all the negatives for Utica, they seem to be great passionate fans.  We get to watch their boys live on tv for once.  Against the smarmy Marlies no less, I can't wait!

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Having watched most of the games live at the Aud or on AHL TV, I'd say Tanner Kero has been the most consistent Comet on the ice.  He's 100% effort all the time and does not take dumb offensive zone penalties.  His current stats GP:39, G:13, A:18, PTS:31 and PIM: 20.  Having played 72 NHL games from 2015 through 2018 I think he still exhibits the fire to get back up.

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I know Palmu was a rookie, but what he just said above doesn't sound like there is much communication going on between the young players and head coach

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44 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

I know Palmu was a rookie, but what he just said above doesn't sound like there is much communication going on between the young players and head coach

That's hockey PP

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35 minutes ago, stawns said:

That's hockey PP

Maybe, but it is not supposed to be like that at the AHL level, when the entire league exists largely for the development of young prospects.

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2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

Petrus Palmu on SN 650 and leaving Utica to go back to Finland : "I didn't get a reason as to why I didn't get ice time in Utica. no one really talked to me. I tried to do my job when I played, I didn't get very big minutes which was tough for me." #CanucksNHLCanucks.png

Lack of communication is pretty bad in a developmental environment. I was really excited for the team in Utica this year but Lind, Gadj, and Petrus all struggling and not getting playing time. I know its a tough league and a huge jump but even considering that they are still performing terribly. Lind went from having a great year last and looking like a potential top 6 forward to looking like a possible bust. They seem more interested in playing vets than developing the kids.  

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31 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Lack of communication is pretty bad in a developmental environment. I was really excited for the team in Utica this year but Lind, Gadj, and Petrus all struggling and not getting playing time. I know its a tough league and a huge jump but even considering that they are still performing terribly. Lind went from having a great year last and looking like a potential top 6 forward to looking like a possible bust. They seem more interested in playing vets than developing the kids.  

Obviously the coach has reached the "my job comes first" point. They all do sooner or later, usually the poorer they are the sooner it comes to that.

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3 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

I know Palmu was a rookie, but what he just said above doesn't sound like there is much communication going on between the young players and head coach

I've been saying here for some time now that the Comets are paid a lot of money by Aquilini to be our farm team.  Farm means to grow our prospects.  These kids should always play ahead of the vets, so we see what we have.  Plus, there should be clear communication about where the prospect is in his progression.  If the kid isn't good enough, or we don't see him as ever being good enough, then ship him out.  Palmu should have been given opportunity to play, and if he wasn't good enough then send him packing, but tell him why, and trade him.  

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Just now, Alflives said:

I've been saying here for some time now that the Comets are paid a lot of money by Aquilini to be our farm team.  Farm means to grow our prospects.  These kids should always play ahead of the vets, so we see what we have.  Plus, there should be clear communication about where the prospect is in his progression.  If the kid isn't good enough, or we don't see him as ever being good enough, then ship him out.  Palmu should have been given opportunity to play, and if he wasn't good enough then send him packing, but tell him why, and trade him.  

FFS.:frantic:

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Ryan Johnson on Sportsnet 650:

 

"Any player that is drafted by the Canucks, or signed as a free agent that comes to development camp. Travis speaks directly to the group to lay a blueprint of the principles, values and expectations of players if they want to play in the NHL with the Canucks."

 

"Cull and his staff spend time on the ice talking about those principles and details to will make them better pros that give them a chance to play. We have Canucks past and present to speak to these guys."

 

"In the first year in Utica, as a group, they spend time in the video room to have a full understanding of what is expected, whether immediately or down the road, to be an NHLer. Everything that happens in VAN correlates to what happens in Utica so there is a common understanding."

 

"Every player’s process is unique -- it’s a process to get players to understand the details. We think very highly of them and we put in a lot of time/effort with our staff in this arduous process in getting them to understand that they will get out what they put into it."

 

"We’re not a team that is built to win a Calder Cup, we have players and a culture that we feel are great vehicles for our young players to understand how to be pros and what it takes day in/day out, not just to be NHL’ers but to be successful at the AHL Level."

 

"I want our team to be competitive but to play the right way that at the end of the day will make them better. If we just throw them to the wolves and let them make mistakes and we’ll just see what happens -- then that’s a disservice to them."

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With all of the discussion about Palmu's comments today here are some interesting comments from Zack MacEwen's dad.  And let's keep in mind Big Mac has busted his butt the past year and a half to improve every aspect of his game.

 

Gadjo comment

 

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