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7 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said:

Even Archibald said playing in the ECHL helped him bring his game and confidence back around. When he finally came back up from Kzoo he never looked back. And I think he was down in the zoo for parts of 2 seasons. 

 

I like the idea of hiring the coach of the ECHL club, it gives the NHL club an ability to provide the team with their own vision and direction without having to purchase a team. I wonder is Kzoo would ever agree to such an agreement?

 

Interesting stuff! 

Archie would have been part of the Alaska Aces if I am remembering correctly but I maybe wrong.

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The issue with the ECHL is it's almost completely useless for developing NHL players outside of goalies.  People like to say that guys like Girardi came up from the ECHL because it's a good story, but he actually only played 7 games in the ECHL.  If he just sat in the press box in the AHL for a couple of weeks, he would've turned out exactly the same.  The ECHL claims that 66 of its former players were on NHL's 2018-2019 opening night roster:

https://www.echl.com/en/news/2018/10/echl-has-66-former-players-42-coaches-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters   

 

But if you go through the list at the bottom, 30 of them are goalies.  Assuming teams generally start with 21 skaters, that's 630 skaters on opening night, but only 36 ever played in the ECHL, or less than 6%.  If you take a closer look at the list, many of the bigger names were NHLers playing in ECHL during the 2012 lockout (like Dubinsky, who played five full NHL seasons prior to being in the ECHL).  Then there are guys who only played a handful of games in the ECHL, like Ferland, who played three games after his WHL season ended.  Then there are guys who have been on an NHL roster but has a career total of two NHL games.  If you whittle it down to guys who played at least 20 ECHL games, then went on to play at least 100 NHL games:

 

Carter Rowney: 44 career ECHL games

Martin Frk: 44 games

Luke Glendening: 27 games

Micheal Haley: 35 games

MacKenzie Weegar: 21 games

Matt Hendricks: 54 games

Jordie Benn: 55 games

Anthony Bitetto: 23 games

Andrew MacDonald: 37 games

Yanni Gourde: 38 games

Deryk Engelland: 148 games

Ben Chiarot: 24 games

 

Only 12 guys played more than 20 ECHL (regular season) games, and eventually played at least 100 games in the NHL.  Most of the names on this list are thoroughly unimpressive; we could've gotten a guy like Frk for free on waivers.  And many of them were such long shots that by the time they made it, they weren't with the organizations that gave them their first chance.  For example, Gourde, the best player on the list, began his pro career with San Jose's farm team and its ECHL affiliate, and bounced between the ECHL and AHL.  Eventually Tampa saw enough to sign him -- he never played on their ECHL affiliate.  This is akin to the Comets scouting the ECHL and signing players that they find promising, instead of developing someone there because they couldn't crack the AHL.

 

The reality is, if a prospect spends any significant amount of time in the ECHL, the chances of them becoming good NHL players for you down the road are so remote it might as well not exist.  There's nothing to be gained from developing someone like Darren Archibald.  He's been on waivers three times and no one claimed him.  Most NHL draft picks don't work out, that's just how the math is.  Trying to turn a complete bust into an Archibald so you at least get something is a waste of time.  There are tons of guys like this, fully developed, available for free every year.  The top European leagues have a much better record of developing impact NHL players; if someone like Palmu isn't ready, it's better for him to play in the Liiga than the ECHL.

 

Goalies are a bit different since there's only one #1 spot on each AHL team, so any organization with two good goalie prospects will have to send one to the ECHL.  But the regular coaching staff has very little to do with a goalie's development, so to manage an ECHL team just to send a spare goalie once every few years doesn't really make sense.  Bottom line, though a good ECHL team could be helpful to an AHL team, it provides no tangible benefits to an NHL team.  You're better off spending the money and effort on improving your scouting so you have better prospects to begin with.

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7 hours ago, GoldenAlien said:

The issue with the ECHL is it's almost completely useless for developing NHL players outside of goalies.  People like to say that guys like Girardi came up from the ECHL because it's a good story, but he actually only played 7 games in the ECHL.  If he just sat in the press box in the AHL for a couple of weeks, he would've turned out exactly the same.  The ECHL claims that 66 of its former players were on NHL's 2018-2019 opening night roster:

https://www.echl.com/en/news/2018/10/echl-has-66-former-players-42-coaches-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters   

 

But if you go through the list at the bottom, 30 of them are goalies.  Assuming teams generally start with 21 skaters, that's 630 skaters on opening night, but only 36 ever played in the ECHL, or less than 6%.  If you take a closer look at the list, many of the bigger names were NHLers playing in ECHL during the 2012 lockout (like Dubinsky, who played five full NHL seasons prior to being in the ECHL).  Then there are guys who only played a handful of games in the ECHL, like Ferland, who played three games after his WHL season ended.  Then there are guys who have been on an NHL roster but has a career total of two NHL games.  If you whittle it down to guys who played at least 20 ECHL games, then went on to play at least 100 NHL games:

 

Carter Rowney: 44 career ECHL games

Martin Frk: 44 games

Luke Glendening: 27 games

Micheal Haley: 35 games

MacKenzie Weegar: 21 games

Matt Hendricks: 54 games

Jordie Benn: 55 games

Anthony Bitetto: 23 games

Andrew MacDonald: 37 games

Yanni Gourde: 38 games

Deryk Engelland: 148 games

Ben Chiarot: 24 games

 

Only 12 guys played more than 20 ECHL (regular season) games, and eventually played at least 100 games in the NHL.  Most of the names on this list are thoroughly unimpressive; we could've gotten a guy like Frk for free on waivers.  And many of them were such long shots that by the time they made it, they weren't with the organizations that gave them their first chance.  For example, Gourde, the best player on the list, began his pro career with San Jose's farm team and its ECHL affiliate, and bounced between the ECHL and AHL.  Eventually Tampa saw enough to sign him -- he never played on their ECHL affiliate.  This is akin to the Comets scouting the ECHL and signing players that they find promising, instead of developing someone there because they couldn't crack the AHL.

 

The reality is, if a prospect spends any significant amount of time in the ECHL, the chances of them becoming good NHL players for you down the road are so remote it might as well not exist.  There's nothing to be gained from developing someone like Darren Archibald.  He's been on waivers three times and no one claimed him.  Most NHL draft picks don't work out, that's just how the math is.  Trying to turn a complete bust into an Archibald so you at least get something is a waste of time.  There are tons of guys like this, fully developed, available for free every year.  The top European leagues have a much better record of developing impact NHL players; if someone like Palmu isn't ready, it's better for him to play in the Liiga than the ECHL.

 

Goalies are a bit different since there's only one #1 spot on each AHL team, so any organization with two good goalie prospects will have to send one to the ECHL.  But the regular coaching staff has very little to do with a goalie's development, so to manage an ECHL team just to send a spare goalie once every few years doesn't really make sense.  Bottom line, though a good ECHL team could be helpful to an AHL team, it provides no tangible benefits to an NHL team.  You're better off spending the money and effort on improving your scouting so you have better prospects to begin with.

The trend of a few NHL teams investing more in the ECHL is also a recent one.  Time will tell if it will have positive impacts on both their NHL and AHL teams in the long run.

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We're not developing Lind and Gadjovich for the NHL right this second, we're developing them for the AHL. Once they've developed at that level, we'll use the AHL to develop them for the NHL.

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Benning in Utica this weekend and speculating that he is here to evaluate the coaches and not the prospects and my guess is if he doesn't want Cull he could be gone before the last game with King ( a Travis Green guy) as interim and possible replacement.  If Cull gets a vote of condidence the Canucks beat writers offered fake news and Dahlen and Palmu were whiners.

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Absolutely crazy game. 5-1 in the second with 4 fights. Boucher with a hatty. They haven't played this well in 2 months. All because Benning is in attendance.

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9 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

make that 6-1 with a goal from Jasek and a 5th fight immediately following it. 

Who fought for Utica...and did they win the fights?

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 Now 7 - 1 with 15 mins left in the 3rd

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8 - 1, with a shorthanded goal by Jamie Sifers (who earlier this week announced his retirement at the seasons end)

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21 hours ago, GoldenAlien said:

The issue with the ECHL is it's almost completely useless for developing NHL players outside of goalies.  People like to say that guys like Girardi came up from the ECHL because it's a good story, but he actually only played 7 games in the ECHL.  If he just sat in the press box in the AHL for a couple of weeks, he would've turned out exactly the same.  The ECHL claims that 66 of its former players were on NHL's 2018-2019 opening night roster:

https://www.echl.com/en/news/2018/10/echl-has-66-former-players-42-coaches-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters   

 

But if you go through the list at the bottom, 30 of them are goalies.  Assuming teams generally start with 21 skaters, that's 630 skaters on opening night, but only 36 ever played in the ECHL, or less than 6%.  If you take a closer look at the list, many of the bigger names were NHLers playing in ECHL during the 2012 lockout (like Dubinsky, who played five full NHL seasons prior to being in the ECHL).  Then there are guys who only played a handful of games in the ECHL, like Ferland, who played three games after his WHL season ended.  Then there are guys who have been on an NHL roster but has a career total of two NHL games.  If you whittle it down to guys who played at least 20 ECHL games, then went on to play at least 100 NHL games:

 

Carter Rowney: 44 career ECHL games

Martin Frk: 44 games

Luke Glendening: 27 games

Micheal Haley: 35 games

MacKenzie Weegar: 21 games

Matt Hendricks: 54 games

Jordie Benn: 55 games

Anthony Bitetto: 23 games

Andrew MacDonald: 37 games

Yanni Gourde: 38 games

Deryk Engelland: 148 games

Ben Chiarot: 24 games

 

Only 12 guys played more than 20 ECHL (regular season) games, and eventually played at least 100 games in the NHL.  Most of the names on this list are thoroughly unimpressive; we could've gotten a guy like Frk for free on waivers.  And many of them were such long shots that by the time they made it, they weren't with the organizations that gave them their first chance.  For example, Gourde, the best player on the list, began his pro career with San Jose's farm team and its ECHL affiliate, and bounced between the ECHL and AHL.  Eventually Tampa saw enough to sign him -- he never played on their ECHL affiliate.  This is akin to the Comets scouting the ECHL and signing players that they find promising, instead of developing someone there because they couldn't crack the AHL.

 

The reality is, if a prospect spends any significant amount of time in the ECHL, the chances of them becoming good NHL players for you down the road are so remote it might as well not exist.  There's nothing to be gained from developing someone like Darren Archibald.  He's been on waivers three times and no one claimed him.  Most NHL draft picks don't work out, that's just how the math is.  Trying to turn a complete bust into an Archibald so you at least get something is a waste of time.  There are tons of guys like this, fully developed, available for free every year.  The top European leagues have a much better record of developing impact NHL players; if someone like Palmu isn't ready, it's better for him to play in the Liiga than the ECHL.

 

Goalies are a bit different since there's only one #1 spot on each AHL team, so any organization with two good goalie prospects will have to send one to the ECHL.  But the regular coaching staff has very little to do with a goalie's development, so to manage an ECHL team just to send a spare goalie once every few years doesn't really make sense.  Bottom line, though a good ECHL team could be helpful to an AHL team, it provides no tangible benefits to an NHL team.  You're better off spending the money and effort on improving your scouting so you have better prospects to begin with.

Is this just current nhlers? Cause I’m positive burrows played like 130 games in the echl before playing in the NHL

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5 hours ago, UTICANUCK said:

Benning in Utica this weekend and speculating that he is here to evaluate the coaches and not the prospects and my guess is if he doesn't want Cull he could be gone before the last game with King ( a Travis Green guy) as interim and possible replacement.  If Cull gets a vote of condidence the Canucks beat writers offered fake news and Dahlen and Palmu were whiners.

Benning confirms that Cull will be back next season.

 

 

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Utica playing fantastic tonight 8-1, lots of fights...I guess Benning is seeing a very good game....Lind and Gadjovich have both scored....

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Fight card for tonight: Darcy, Gadjovich, Hamilton, Anselmini,Woods, MacEwen, Kero (got jumped and blindsided by Blandisi game misconduct)

 

Pens 59 penalty minutes, Comets 45,  Comets 3/7 on the PP and 5/5 on PK

 

Every fight was instigated by the Pens and the more we scored the more they came back with the rough stuff.  There was a lot more roughing going on than made the board.

 

Besides Boucher 3 goals and 1 assist the Comets standout was Mazanec.  He made some really quality saves and the one goal was an odd deflect, possibly off his own stick.

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SIFERS TO PLAY FINAL GAME SUNDAY

Apr 11, 2019

Utica Comets defenseman Jaime Sifers has announced that he will be playing his final game of professional hockey on Sunday against the Syracuse Crunch.

 

Sifers, 36, has enjoyed 13 seasons of hockey in the pro ranks, including nearly 650 in the AHL. His career has spanned across the NHL, AHL, and DEL (Germany) and has included over 800 regular season games.

 

As he told the Utica Observer-Dispatch: “I probably thought about it every day for about six months, from last summer’s training until all the way to Christmas time. It just seemed like the right thing to do,” Sifers said Wednesday, acknowledging he wanted to be open with his teammates. “I still love playing. It is just time to move on. One of my proudest achievements is leaving everything on the ice. That’s what you want to be: a player who your teammates know you played your heart out for them.”

 

Sifers played in two seasons with the Utica Comets and made an impact both on and off the ice. “We love living in tight-knit communities and this is definitely one of them,” Sifers said, referring to his wife and two girls. “It provides a lot of closure to be able to end in a place like this and know we used to call this home. It will always be a special place for us.

 

Though he will miss the daily competition, he is ready to turn the page and embark on the next chapter of his life. “I love competing with a group of guys that are all pulling in the same direction,” he said. “The emotion of the games, the emotion of the buildings you play in, especially (Utica). I’m definitely going to miss that energy and getting your heart racing, your chills down your body. Things like that you can’t find really anywhere else.”

 

The first 1,000 fans at Sunday’s game can receive a Sifers bobblehead upon entry.

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3 hours ago, The_Rocket said:

Is this just current nhlers? Cause I’m positive burrows played like 130 games in the echl before playing in the NHL

Yes, look at the top.  It's players that the ECHL says is on the 2018-2019 NHL opening night rosters.  Though Burrows is another example where good scouting picked him up while he was playing in the ECHL -- he never played in the ECHL as a Canuck.  This is more like the Comets signing an ECHL player they like, then they impress and work themselves up to an NHL contract.  This isn't like the Canucks sending its own prospects to the ECHL because they couldn't hack it in the AHL. 

 

Anyways, goals by the kids:

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