kingofsurrey Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) Canucks forwards were soft as butter. Kind sad that we need 30 yr olds to harden our team up... but it is what it is. I am plugging my nose and supporting these UFA signings. Just makes me shake my head with the group of forwards our club assembled the last 3 years. Embarrassing to support a club that has players not willing to stick up every night for their teamates. As much as i think Canucks overpaid in money/term.... I am going to support the UFA's that give our team heart/ courage / and true team support. Great news for Guddy as too much pressure was on him for the doing the real work . Now a few more players can pick up the slack . Hopefully it is contagious and guys like Virt can see what it means to be all in every night for yourself and for you team mates.... I would prefer these kinds of role players to mid 20's . but it is what it is. Time for me to get on board. These are the kinds of players that i would want to be on my team. Jay Beagle , welcome to Vancouver and we need you / what you bring on our club. Show Archie and Virt how its done while you are at it. Edited July 3, 2018 by kingofsurrey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Canucks forwards were soft as butter. Kind sad that we need 30 yr olds to harden our team up... but it is what it is. I am plugging my nose and supporting these UFA signings. Just makes me shake my head with the group of forwards our club assembled the last 3 years. Embarrassing to support a club that has players not willing to stick up every night for their teamates. As much as i think Canucks overpaid in money/term.... I am going to support the UFA's that give our team heart/ courage / and true team support. Great news for Guddy as too much pressure was on him for the doing the real work . Now a few more players can pick up the slack . Hopefully it is contagious and guys like Virt can see what it means to be all in every night for yourself and for you team mates.... I would prefer these kinds of role players to mid 20's . but it is what it is. Time for me to get on board. These are the kinds of players that i would want to be on my team. Jay Beagle , welcome to Vancouver and we need you / what you bring on our club. Show Archie and Virt how its done while you are at it. Guys in their 30s can get just as hard as guys in their 20s. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: Guys in their 30s can get just as hard as guys in their 20s. Haha These types of character guys will make all 4 lines of our forwards bigger / faster / stronger..... Thats just the mental part of team contact sports..... Psychology. When you see your teamates playing that style.... it is contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Haha These types of character guys will make all 4 lines of our forwards bigger / faster / stronger..... Thats just the mental part of team contact sports..... Psychology. When you see your teamates playing that style.... it is contagious. What I like most about the Beagle signing is that now that the Sedins are retired, he may be the fittest guy in the entire league. He is legendary among players around hockey for working out more than most anyone and then adds another set beyond that. Guy is a fitness freak and that is a good thing to rub off on the young folks. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingofsurrey Posted July 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: What I like most about the Beagle signing is that now that the Sedins are retired, he may be the fittest guy in the entire league. He is legendary among players around hockey for working out more than most anyone and then adds another set beyond that. Guy is a fitness freak and that is a good thing to rub off on the young folks. Kind of like how i am viewed by my teamates on my co-ed Thursday night mixed Dell Lanes Bowling team. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, kingofsurrey said: Kind of like how i am viewed by my teamates on my co-ed Thursday night mixed Dell Lanes Bowling team. You owe me a keyboard. I have snorted a large quantity of water all over it. Well played.....very well played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Guys in their 30s can get just as hard as guys in their 20s. 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Guy is a fitness freak and that is a good thing to rub off on the young folks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6934-r6kgJo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Guys in their 30s can get just as hard as guys in their 20s. 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: hat is a good thing to rub off on the young folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2018 Surprised to find something this positive on a Vancouver Canuck on Tavares Sports Network....perhaps it is because it was an interview prior to the Canucks signing him. McGuire: Jay Beagle is one of the core seven players you need to win Hockey analyst Pierre McGuire says that Jay Beagle is one of the better face-off men & penalty killers in the league. Pierre feels that Beagle is a specialty forward and is a great guy on and off the ice. McGuire says if the Canucks get Beagle, he will help the team grow. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicman12 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 02/07/2018 at 6:34 PM, Rob_Zepp said: Awesome!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Love the signing, his positive attitude will be infectious. Just winning a Cup with Washington, he could've gotten a huge ego and been a bit picky where he played. Now he's coming to one of the worst teams in the league last year, and saying "This team will surprise some people. I didn't come here to lose". And I believe him. I think with the signings of Beagle, Roussel and Schaller, the young guys coming up (Pettersson and Hughes) and a full year from Boeser, the Canucks will be faster, more skilled and tougher to play against. The Sedins would slow the game down when they had the puck, and a hundred passes later, there might be a shot. I think this new team will be relentless in their attack. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Jay Beagle wants to win every faceoff. The goal is simple, but the nuances aren’t. Jay Beagle wants to win every faceoff. The goal is simple, but the nuances aren’t. By Jesse DoughertyJanuary 20Email the author Jay Beagle is one of the NHL’s top faceoff men, and he takes a detailed approach to prepare for his nuanced role. (Greg Fiume/Getty Images) Without all those hours spent cramming and crouching and creating an enduring belief that the Washington Capitals’ best chance to get the puck is off his stick, Jay Beagle probably wouldn’t have been on the ice with 17 seconds left in a tie game against the Carolina Hurricanes earlier this month. But he was, taking a defensive-zone faceoff against Hurricanes center Victor Rask. All the Capitals wanted from Beagle, their fourth-line center and one of the NHL’s most-reliable faceoff men, was possession. He ended up scoring, too, delivering the puck and then a win with 1.3 seconds left on the clock. “It’s pretty simple,” Beagle said Friday. “Would you rather start with the puck or not start with the puck? That’s what my job is.” If the goal is simple, the nuances aren’t. Beagle’s faceoff success doesn’t start when he bends over the dot, stick hovering above his knees, or when he twitches into motion as the linesman drops the puck. That is only the result of careful game-day preparation that includes looping videos of the opponent’s top faceoff men and practicing against teammates who can mimic the night’s challenge. That is when Beagle creates a mental catalogue of the opposing centers’ tendencies, making him ready for the game’s first faceoffs and whatever adjustments come next. Heading into the Capitals’ 12:30 p.m. clash with the Philadelphia Flyers on Sunday, the website PuckBase has Beagle ranked fourth in the league with a 57.6 faceoff winning percentage. He is behind the Buffalo Sabres’ Ryan O’Reilly (61.2), Anaheim Ducks’ Antoine Vermette (59.7) and Flyers forward Claude Giroux (57.9), whom he will likely be studying Sunday morning. As advanced statistical analysis has grown more prominent in the NHL in recent seasons, faceoffs have been increasingly examined and specialized in, players said. Beagle does not consider himself an analytics person or particularly tech-savvy. Former teammate Karl Alzner joked that “it’s funny to watch Jay try to work a computer or iPad.” Yet Beagle has dived into faceoff videos and analysis since becoming an NHL regular in 2010, and carved out an important role to go along with his two-way play. He played in a career-high 81 games last year and has been in the Capitals’ lineup for every game so far this season. “He studies it. I mean, that’s his craft,” Capitals Coach Barry Trotz said. “He’s one of the best in the league. He studies it. He works on a daily basis.” Vermette, 35 and in his 14th NHL season, said it wasn’t always like this. He broke into the NHL in 2003 and, with his strength and swinging approach in the circle, quickly became a go-to faceoff man. But he never studied faceoffs away from the ice and never thought others did much, either. But as he grew into one of the league’s top faceoff men — he finished last season with the league’s second-best winning percentage at 62.3 — Vermette noticed faceoffs coming up more in meetings and video sessions. He also saw players like Beagle, put in for a defensive-zone draw and then skating right off, functioning as a faceoff specialist of sorts. “You can sense through meetings, set plays, things of that nature, all that wasn’t as present when I started my career,” Vermette, who still doesn’t do any intricate preparation, said in a recent phone interview. “I’m sure the coaching staffs were always paying attention, but it seems like more and more now that the league, and the game, is going through a lot of stats like puck possession and all kind of data.” Beagle isn’t driven by numbers, but more a will to win as many faceoffs as possible. He came upon the faceoff circle naturally, as a kid center whose dad, a former defenseman, taught defensive values that Beagle can still rattle off. Play two ways. Value each and every possession. So maybe that is why Beagle, a 32-year-old who has scored 49 goals in 439 career games, is so keen on giving possession to his team. Or maybe he’s just too competitive to approach it any other way, as teammates suggest. There are so many uncontrollable variables in the faceoff circle — how the linesman drops the puck, the adjustments an opponent makes, how the puck bounces after the draw — that Beagle hedges it with mental repetition. If he is going to face left-handed centers, Beagle will often take draws against teammate Chandler Stephenson on game day. If the upcoming opponent has a right-handed center, like him, he will practice against Capitals winger T.J. Oshie. Then he watches the opposing centers’ recent draws on repeat, looking to see if a given player likes to go straight for the puck, sit back for a moment and use stick skill to flick it away, or swing straight through the dot like Vermette and a handful of other players. From there, Beagle calls faceoffs a “chess match” within the game as adjustments are made throughout. Beagle is the Capitals’ only right-handed center, so Trotz often uses him for defensive-zone faceoffs on his strong side. “I’m just trying to do whatever I can to see what their tendencies are,” said Beagle, who has noted in the past that he likes to go straight for the puck. “There are a few looks you can give, so I just go ahead and see what their go-to is and what they are familiar with so I can be ready.” That naturally funnels into the biggest questions for the player who spends each game day picking apart opposing centers’ faceoff habits: What are Beagle’s biggest strengths in the faceoff circle? What is his approach? “I’ll never tell,” he said, laughing and bending back at the waist. “Never.” Beagle spends so much time gaining the smallest edges. Why would he give one back? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Jay Beagle wants to win every faceoff. The goal is simple, but the nuances aren’t. But, that corsi nuanze... - Yost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: But, that corsi nuanze... - Yost LOL. News flash, players who match up against top lines and take predominantly Dzone draws don't have good Corsi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 16 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: LOL. News flash, players who match up against top lines and take predominantly Dzone draws don't have good Corsi. But my chartzzzzzzzzzzz!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/3/2018 at 5:13 PM, Rob_Zepp said: Surprised to find something this positive on a Vancouver Canuck on Tavares Sports Network....perhaps it is because it was an interview prior to the Canucks signing him. McGuire: Jay Beagle is one of the core seven players you need to win Hockey analyst Pierre McGuire says that Jay Beagle is one of the better face-off men & penalty killers in the league. Pierre feels that Beagle is a specialty forward and is a great guy on and off the ice. McGuire says if the Canucks get Beagle, he will help the team grow. I can imagine there's going to be at least an "A" on his jersey this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, aGENT said: But my chartzzzzzzzzzzz!! the same crew that tells you face offs don't matter also picked Edmonton to win the cup and picked Vegas near the bottom. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode33 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: the same crew that tells you face offs don't matter also picked Edmonton to win the cup and picked Vegas near the bottom. Disclaimer: Haven't read the thread, but this comment made me curious about team face off stats. Do faceoff's really matter? https://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs Carolina #1, Buffalo in top 10, Tampa near the bottom.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Beastmode33 said: Disclaimer: Haven't read the thread, but this comment made me curious about team face off stats. Do faceoff's really matter? https://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs Carolina #1, Buffalo in top 10, Tampa near the bottom.. the problem with the analysis to date is its too simplistic, your team needs to be able to do something with the puck like not get hemmed into your own zone once you've won a face off. The one's I've seen try to boil it down to a direct comparison to corsi numbers which is just way too simplistic. The question I'd have is what would Carolina's year have looked like without Stall and Ryan winning so many draws. But if you can't get possession as much then you are already behind. Numbers tend to fall into a range of about 48-52% for most teams, but you want guys in specific game situations that can give you an edge. Hence Beagle taking many key draws during the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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