goalie13 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, rekker said: A few flies in the ointment I can think of. If Arizona offer sheets Mathews I think he would sign it. Babcock is a well known hard ass. He wears out his welcome with players and maybe some may want out. Food for thought. All fair points. It's just that people seem to think an offer sheet is an automatic done-deal, and it isn't. It's still a negotiation. And it is only if that negotiation is successful does the player sign the offer sheet, thus forcing his original team to make a match or walk decision. It also drives my inner grammar police nuts. Offer Sheet is not a verb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, goalie13 said: All fair points. It's just that people seem to think an offer sheet is an automatic done-deal, and it isn't. It's still a negotiation. And it is only if that negotiation is successful does the player sign the offer sheet, thus forcing his original team to make a match or walk decision. It also drives my inner grammar police nuts. Offer Sheet is not a verb. Yip. Point taken. If the player puts pen to paper he is saying he is ok with leaving. Which is a big maybe. I believe the Nucks tried to offer sheet Weber? He refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 5 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: lol, like the fishsticks would throw a big money offer at Nylander. If they were so willing to hand out that kind of money, they would've just thrown a bit more on Tavares and kept their 1st round picks (offer sheet compensation). He took 15 million less to play in Toronto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, dura_mater said: How are the Islanders in no position to offer sheet Matthews though? They have 4 1st rounders and it seems expensive but with how hard it is to win the lottery these days and get players of Matthews calibre I think it would be worth it. Good point. Matthews is American though so you never know. He may not feel the same connection to Toronto that Tavares does. Matthews could be offer sheeted next year when he becomes an RFA but not this year. My post refers to this year only as indicated by "The Islanders are in no position to offer sheet one of these players (Nylander) this year as they don't have their draft picks to offer up in compensation". It would not surprise me if the Islanders did offer sheet Matthews next year but it would surprise me if Toronto didn't match the offer no matter who they would have to dump to be cap compliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 where Nylander is concerned, unfortunately offer sheets make more sense for contenders whose compensation picks are typically late picks. but contenders don't tend to have the cap space.... offering mulitple picks and an contract overpayment is too risky for bottomfeeders - you're risking giving up mulitple high picks and take a big risk on an RFA living up to all that value.... It's a fun idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 this strategy assumes the leaf player in question plays ball to harm his current team the player has to sign the offer sheet some would just use the terms to negotiate a contract from the leafs without actually signing the offer sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The NHL owners have made sure that offer sheets are almost impossible to use. The cost is so ridiculously high that it's never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat James Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 13 hours ago, rekker said: I would love the fireworks! Can you imagine Leafs nation if they had to pay Mathews 15 million per? Or Marner 12 million per? Or Nylander 8 million per? I don't get why people value Marner so much higher than Nylander. They've got almost identical stat lines, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, The Game said: I don't get why people value Marner so much higher than Nylander. They've got almost identical stat lines, no? Nylander disappeared in the playoffs and Marner played well, I guess is the difference. But it's pretty hard to base your judgement on a few games on a relatively non-competitive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 14 hours ago, rekker said: Should a rival GM offer sheet one of the Leafs golden boys? Why not? It would put the Leafs in cap hell. I'm guessing Lamarillo is some choked and wants to get even. Or maybe Arizona offers Mathews 15 million per? A scenario like this would be a lot of fun to watch go down. You are right. Islanders giving an offer sheet to Matthews at 15 mil is not out of the question and not as crazy as it sounds. Matthews is going to get 12 mil from the Leafs anyways (McDavid money) so if NYI offers him extra 3 mil, that doesn't seem like a big deal to them but it is a big deal to the Leafs with Marner and Nylander to be signed as well on top of Tavares' 11 mil. And over 10 mil, you have to cough up 4 first rounders anyways so 15 mil to screw up Leafs sounds like a good idea. If the Leafs match, then you move on to Marner, offer sheet him at 8-9 mil. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, The Game said: I don't get why people value Marner so much higher than Nylander. They've got almost identical stat lines, no? Marner had a better playoffs for sure. Both good young players but both will be pumped up by Eastern media regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, mephnick said: The cost is so ridiculously high that it's never going to happen. It's not though. Imagine GIllis four first round picks: Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder and Hodgson being dealt for Matthews. Just depends where you think your team is at when you offer sheet. You could be trading four busts or four potential all-stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I would like to see some serious Machiavellian $&!# go down. Lou offer sheets Matthews and pre arranges a trade with another GM, say McPhee of Vegas, to give him some assets to have him offer sheet Marner. Cmon NHL, raise the drama FFS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Hopefully Lou picks his spots better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Hell yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I would not put it past the Coyotes to go hard after Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I would not put it past the Coyotes to go hard after Matthews. Superstar athletes in their primes don't go from the biggest market to the smallest one. If he left I think it would the Kings/Rags that would have the best shot at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Toews said: Superstar athletes in their primes don't go from the biggest market to the smallest one. If he left I think it would the Kings/Rags that would have the best shot at him. Home town has a way of drawing you back. I'm guessing grew up a Yotes fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 03/07/2018 at 7:10 AM, Tre Mac said: It's not though. Imagine GIllis four first round picks: Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder and Hodgson being dealt for Matthews. Just depends where you think your team is at when you offer sheet. You could be trading four busts or four potential all-stars. Sure...but usually the teams that have the cap space to offer some ridiculous offer sheet have good first round picks. I'm not offer sheeting Matthews if my upcoming years look like 4 top 10 picks (like NYI does) thanks. Unless you really think Matthews is worth like...Makar, Jost, Rantanan and Landeskog, to use Colorado as an example. I sure as hell don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.