Ed Willes: Canucks' Linden revamp left in the dust by Leafs' Shana-plan

[ForsbergTheGreat]

11 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Alf, love ya dude but your facts are as wrong as dog meat will be for you.   Nathan Horton as a 5.3 million CAP hit for next two seasons.   Even Phil Kessel is 1.2 million through 2022.    

Alf is sorta right here. His cap only counts towards the initial calculation at the start of the year. Once the season starts he goes down on LTIR and leafs are then allowed to spend above the salary ceiling. They could basically go out and get a one year 5 miilion rental.  

[ForsbergTheGreat]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Which teams can absorb that dollar cost, and have the cap space too?

Us

Rags?

Flyers?

Rangers and Canucks seem the most fitting. Maybe Sabres. Like I said I’ll gladly take Horton....but I also want some real good incentive. 

[mll]

13 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

All contracts including LTIR need to equal under the cap ceiling to start the year off. That’s why is matters. After the season starts his cap comes off the books and it gives the leafs a little wiggle room. 

 

 

Or they can go above the cap up up to the LTIR amount with his replacements already on the roster before putting the player on LTIR to become cap compliant.  

 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, mll said:

Or they can go above the cap up up to the LTIR amount with his replacements already on the roster before putting the player on LTIR to become cap compliant.  

 

 

 

 

So does this mean the Leafs do or don’t care about the Horton contract?  

[Rob_Zepp]

10 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Alf is sorta right here. His cap only counts towards the initial calculation at the start of the year. Once the season starts he goes down on LTIR and leafs are then allowed to spend above the salary ceiling. They could basically go out and get a one year 5 miilion rental.  

That is accurate.  

[mll]

9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So does this mean the Leafs do or don’t care about the Horton contract?  

It's a nuisance to have a player on LTIR.  

 

To maximise cap space

- either be under the cap and as close as possible to the maximum cap before putting the player on LTIR and then adding his replacements

- or be above the cap and as close as possible to the maximum cap + LTIR cap hit before putting the player on LTIR and get back under the cap

 

Mathematically it doesn't always work out and teams can't always get the full relief.  Players have different cap hits, there's the roster limits and those who can be papered down temporarily waiver free are on ELCs (ie under 1M cap hits).  It also limits teams in accruing cap space for roster adjustments.

[oldnews]

16 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Someone can't argue that the Leafs have and advantage because they've been rebuilding for forever, just after they argued that their "entire rebuild is based on 3 players"
 

 

You're disingenuous - and/or confused - by the difference between the Leafs never-ending rebuild - and the most recent stage known as the 'Spamaplan'.

 

Simple questions:

 

Are rentals consistent with 'rebuilding'?

 

When did the rebuild end?  When did it begin again? LOL.

 

Is this the Spamaplan's second 're-rebuild', or are we still in the original Leafs rebuild?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Well considering marner has a year of talks I don’t think it’s much of an issue right now. If they can land nylander on a two year bridge that would be ideal as both marleau and Horton will come off the books freeing up another 10 million. 

 

Id be willing take Horton off their hands..... for the right price. 

There's a fair bit of talk of TO locking up both Mathews and Marner now with extensions given that Tavares likely will play with Marner and Mathews quality of opposition will go down, plus their PP could be sick, bumping their stats even further.  Mathews won't make less than Eichel, and Marner looks to be 8plus.  Nylander will get north of 6 on a long term extension which isn't a huge problem with their current 13.7 to work with.  Next year they will have $29 million to work with (not including Nylander), and also have Gardiner and Hainsey to deal with (UFAs) and Kapanen (RFA).

 

This year a panel of NHL scouts and team executives ranked them first overall in THN a Future Watch ranking of the players in development systems (pre-draft), they coming of a Calder Cup which gives them a feeder system that allows them to utilize     the top heavy cap model like CHI and PIT for cheap but effective replacements.  

 

Couple that with a lot of veteran interest that wanted to play in TO this summer for a discount (Tavares was offered almost 2 million more from SJ) and they are setting a tone for the next big contracts to possibly come in lighter than expected (like TB guys too, but there they don't get taxed as badly so it's easier).  

Dubas was public about setting an example "for our fan base and our young group " sending a message, acknowledging that Crosbys done it for years in PIT with his undermarket 8.7 million cap hit (in line total cap wise with Tavares current deal) which allowed them to build a contender.   And they never had the feeder system that TO has now. 

 

No matter how you poke holes at it, TO has an enviable future, no cap hell is on it's way anytime soon if ever (they still might add a one year guy...Thornton?) and they are miles ahead of us.   Mathews, Tavares, Kadri will have the puck on their sticks so often some average defense won't be a problem (they have very good goaltending which helps of course).  

[oldnews]

Next up - a 'comparison' of the 'rebuild' efforts of Rob Blake (L.A.) vs Jason Botterill (Buffalo).

 

Both hired in the spring of 2017.

 

Stay tuned for the ermagerds, Botterill is leaving him in the dust!!

 

 

 

[Ghostsof1915]

21 hours ago, oldnews said:

Next up - a 'comparison' of the 'rebuild' efforts of Rob Blake (L.A.) vs Jason Botterill (Buffalo).

 

Both hired in the spring of 2017.

 

Stay tuned for the ermagerds, Botterill is leaving him in the dust!!

 

 

 

Given LA has Brown, Carter, and Phaneuf all whom are 33 and earning $16 million +. I think LA has the bigger challenge. 

[oldnews]

On 7/18/2018 at 6:48 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Given LA has Brown, Carter, and Phaneuf all whom are 33 and earning $16 million +. I think LA has the bigger challenge. 

Yes, that was (part of) the point.

[IBatch]

On 2018-07-18 at 9:48 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Given LA has Brown, Carter, and Phaneuf all whom are 33 and earning $16 million +. I think LA has the bigger challenge. 

Add Kopitar who's going to play most of his 10m extension in his thirties and Doughtys 11m in his thirties, that's some serious Detroit circa 2002 stuff going down there.  The 2020s will see some bad LA teams, SJ teams and ANA teams as they all double down to win with their aging cores....it's a blue ocean for who can reign supreme, I think it will be the Alberta teams and Vancouver who have the best chance at making the most playoff appearances, with Vegas being the wildcard of the group (their cinderalla season is over, Neal and Perron > than Stastny). 

[mikeyman109]

50 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Add Kopitar who's going to play most of his 10m extension in his thirties and Doughtys 11m in his thirties, that's some serious Detroit circa 2002 stuff going down there.  The 2020s will see some bad LA teams, SJ teams and ANA teams as they all double down to win with their aging cores....it's a blue ocean for who can reign supreme, I think it will be the Alberta teams and Vancouver who have the best chance at making the most playoff appearances, with Vegas being the wildcard of the group (their cinderalla season is over, Neal and Perron > than Stastny). 

This is the benefit of being ahead in the rebuild department. It happens to all teams.

 

Vegas will still be competitive but not like they were this year.

 

I think LA SJ will still be very competitive it just depends on how healthy they stay. aS teams get older the injuries can pile up.

[Gaudette Celly]

With the inundation of Leaf worship, guess it was time to start fluffing up the Oilers again:

 

 

Rationale:

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"However, the pledge to McDavid’s sidekick, Draisaitl, is a nice touch, and Klefbom’s low cap hit will keep the salary cap at bay for some time, which lands the Oilers here at No. 1."

 

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:

With the inundation of Leaf worship, guess it was time to start fluffing up the Oilers again:

 

 

Rationale:

 

They have Ty Rattie as their number 1 right winger on their depth chart. Says all you need to know about who wrote this article.

 

If it was rated by total depth and not just a couple players, they would not be ranked first.

 

Colorado for my money is number 1. Mackinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Barrie, Makar, Kerfoot, Zadorov, Girard, Jost, and Compher.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

How did that "great core" fail to make the playoffs?

[Gaudette Celly]

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

They have Ty Rattie as their number 1 right winger on their depth chart. Says all you need to know about who wrote this article.

Pretty funny, as that's actually the projection out of Edmonton as well.  Waiver-wire fodder straight to the first line to play with the generational crown jewel.

 

Says all you need to know about that roster... or coach/management.

[Gaudette Celly]

And now, from a Leaf's blogger:

 

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"With the signing of John Tavares, the Toronto Maple Leafs dramatically improved their offensive firepower and will be a match up problem for teams next season, but based on their cap situation for next season, they may have a window to load up for a Stanley Cup run without adversely affecting their future."

JVR scored one less goal than Tavares last year, and they also lost Bozak's 43 points.  Not sure how that's "dramatically" improved.

[Baggins]

5 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

And now, from a Leaf's blogger:

 

JVR scored one less goal than Tavares last year, and they also lost Bozak's 43 points.  Not sure how that's "dramatically" improved.

To be fair Tavares also had 31 more assists. I'd gladly swap JVR for Tavares without a second thought. He's the double threat of goal scorer and playmaker.

[oldnews]

9 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

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"With the signing of John Tavares, the Toronto Maple Leafs dramatically improved their offensive firepower and will be a match up problem for teams next season, but based on their cap situation for next season, they may have a window to load up for a Stanley Cup run without adversely affecting their future."

why would they need to "load up" for a run?   aren't they already SC favorites?

 

that said, I think all they need is a Panarin.

 

they should spend all their futures and go all in this year.  speed up the rebuild.  the #proper way.