robr1can Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Here's an article I found interesting and seems to be close to the mark. http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/tn8fb6mqnial16bxvtds5dacu Quote Some believe championship rosters can be constructed through formulas and analytic innovation, while others lean toward the “old school” method of eyeballing the kids who stand out and getting them to buy into a culture that focuses on exceeding expectations rather than simply meeting them. In the end, however, whichever concept drives a team’s overarching building strategy ultimately is measured by what the players become and how well the team performs with them. Metrics to measure success vary, but sometimes the best way to judge a team’s prospect is to objectively ask the question, “What is this player’s ultimate potential?” SN's TOP 50: Ranking the NHL's best prospects for 2018-19 In the following rankings, the zone of consideration for all 310 prospects is Calder Trophy (NHL rookie of the year) eligibility — between 18-26 years old and no more than 25 combined NHL regular season games played. Teams with multiple prospects who possess superior talent (i.e. star potential) received favorable grades, as did teams with a significant amount of post-draft prospects with impressive numbers (regardless of sample size) against adult-age competition in either the National Hockey League or the American Hockey League. The reason is simple: It’s a lot easier to light up a junior hockey league than to do the same against men in the NHL or AHL. Several players who ranked highly in personal pre-draft rankings were afforded a longer leash in the event of a perceived plateau in development. Eventual draft position did not factor in these rankings, and we should all come to accept the fact that there is no example of the first 10 players picked in a draft (in any sport) who turned out to become the 10 best pro players from that draft. The ninth overall pick rarely becomes one of the best players in his draft class, let alone an NHL star. NHL DRAFT 2018: Team-by-team grades | Winners and losers 1. Buffalo Sabres The Sabres have officially run out of excuses. The league isn't out to get them, nor is some black cloud hovering over the franchise. They have two of the league's premier prospects in Rasmus Dahlin and Casey Mittelstadt, in addition to sniping winger Alex Nylander. This trio represents Buffalo's last three first round picks, so the law of averages says at least two of them should join current Sabre Jack Eichel to form the foundation of what could be one of the league's most potent attacks. PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED 1. Rasmus Dahlin LHD Buffalo (NHL) 1st/2018 2. Casey Mittelstadt C/LW Buffalo (NHL) 1st/2017 3. Alex Nylander RW Rochester (AHL) 1st/2016 4. Brendan Guhle LHD Buffalo (NHL) 2nd/2015 5. Rasmus Asplund C Rochester (AHL) 2nd/2016 6. Mattias Samuelsson LHD W. Michigan (NCAA) 2nd/2018 7. Marcus Davidsson C Djugardens (SHL) 2nd/2017 8. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen G Sudbury (OHL) 2nd/2017 9. Victor Olofsson LW Buffalo (NHL) 7th/2014 10. Matej Pekar C Miami-Ohio (NCAA) 4th/2018 MORE: How Rasmus Dahlin will fit with Sabres, help fast-track rebuild 2. Philadelphia Flyers It's easy to lose track of how many general managers talk about the importance of building a deep farm system. But count on Ron Hextall as being one of the few who has been patient enough to actually go through with the process of stockpiling picks and allowing them to develop properly. Constructing the league's deepest prospect pool hasn't been easy, as the Flyers haven't won a playoff round in six years. Yet still, the future is extremely bright. Not only for the young stars already playing the NHL, but also for selecting elite youngsters outside of the top 10 like goalie Carter Hart, center Morgan Frost and super-slick winger Joel Farabee. PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED 1. Joel Farabee LW Boston U. (NCAA) 1st/2018 2. Carter Hart G Lehigh Valley (AHL) 2nd/2016 3. Philippe Myers RHD Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA 4. Morgan Frost C Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) 1st/2017 5. Oskar Lindblom LW Philadelphia (NHL) 5th/2014 6. German Rubstov C Lehigh Valley (AHL) 1st/2016 7. Jay O'Brien C Providence (NCAA) 1st/2018 8. Mike Vecchione C/W Lehigh Valley (AHL) UDFA 9. Isaac Ratcliffe LW Guelph (AHL) 2nd/2017 10. Wade Allison RW W. Michigan (NCAA) 2nd/2016 3. Vancouver Canucks Patience is far from a virtue in a hockey-crazed town like Vancouver, as poor performances on the ice have cost jobs and kept fans away from the arena. But brighter days most certainly are ahead for this once-dominant franchise, and drafting elite playmakers like winger Elias Pettersson and defenseman Quinn Hughes to help feed pucks to snipers like Brock Boeser and Jonathan Dahlen will shorten the time it takes to rekindle local interest. Additionally, the Canucks have two tremendous goaltending prospects in Thatcher Demko and Michael DiPietro. And defenseman Olli Juolevi continues to possess top-pairing potential even though a back injury will keep him on the sidelines for a few months. PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED 1. Elias Pettersson LW/C Vancouver (NHL) 1st/2017 2. Quinn Hughes LHD Michigan (NCAA) 1st/2018 3. Thatcher Demko G Utica (AHL) 2nd/2014 4. Jonathan Dahlen LW Timra (SHL) Trade (OTT) 5. Olli Juolevi LHD Utica (AHL) 1st/2016 6. Adam Gaudette C Utica (AHL) 5th/2015 7. Michael DiPietro G Windsor (OHL) 3rd/2017 8. Kole Lind RW Utica (AHL) 2nd/2017 9. Lukas Jasek RW Utica (AHL) 6th/2015 10. Jett Woo RHD Moose Jaw (WHL) 2nd/2018 MORE: Quinn Hughes 'as valuable as anyone' playing a style his own 4. Carolina Hurricanes The regime change in Carolina that cost Ron Francis his job as general manager doesn't change the fact that the Hurricanes already owned an arsenal of identifiable blue-chip prospects. Bringing uber-sniper Andrei Svechnikov into the fold is the cherry on top for a pipeline that already included exciting center Martin Necas, future No. 1 goalie Alex Nedeljkovic and puck rusher Adam Fox. It won't be long before these kids start imposing their will on NHL competition. Additionally, the Canes have a bunch of AHL-seasoned blue-chippers, plus kids like Warren Foegele and Lucas Wallmark, neither of whom didn't look out of place during their respective NHL call-up. PROSPECT POSITION 2018-19 TEAM (Proj.) ACQUIRED 1. Andrei Svechnikov RW Carolina (NHL) 1st/2018 2. Martin Necas C Brno (Extraliga) 1st/2017 3. Alex Nedeljkovic G Charlotte (AHL) 2nd/2014 4. Aleksi Saarela C Charlotte (AHL) Trade (NYR) 5. Valentin Zykov LW Charlotte (AHL) Trade (LAK) 6. Warren Foegele LW Carolina (NHL) 3rd/2014 7. Lucas Wallmark C Carolina (NHL) 4th/2014 8. Adam Fox RHD Harvard (NCAA) Trade (CGY) 9. Janne Kuokkanen C Charlotte (AHL) 2nd/2016 10. Julien Gauthier RW Charlotte (AHL) 1st/2016 (See article for the rest....) What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, robr1can said: Here's an article I found interesting and seems to be close to the mark. http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/tn8fb6mqnial16bxvtds5dacu What are your thoughts? I concur. Close to the mark indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire_Spiky Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Not a bad article. Interesting to see they have Gaudette starting in Utica and Jonathan Dahlen is not going back to Timra he will be playing in Utica if not with the Canucks next year though. Our future looks bright. Go Canucks Go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Great respect for the Lightening. Every year a contender, yet #7 on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Stammer- Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 cool to see Jasek move into the top 10, I kinda forgot about him until this year and i'm glad he's slid into there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Stammer- Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Great respect for the Lightening. Every year a contender, yet #7 on this list. and only one of their top 10 is a 1st round pick, their scouting is very good and they always find gems outside of the 1st round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, robr1can said: Here's an article I found interesting and seems to be close to the mark. http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/tn8fb6mqnial16bxvtds5dacu What are your thoughts? That the Canucks seemingly built theirs very quickly in compare to some other top teams on that list. I also think they are underrating Arizona and Blue Jackets and overrating Toronto and Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Pretty decent listing, looks like some actual thought and knowledge went into the Canucks' ranking. Interesting aspects: - outside of Dahlin, not so sure about Buffalo being #1, especially with #3 Nylander still a question mark - Robert "Bo" Thomas St. Louis' #1: still figure that's the guy Benning tried to get a pick to draft last year - Jansen Harkins not even in the Jets' top-10 - good to see the Leafs more realistically mid-pack; probably put Edmonton a bit lower too - Arizona likewise should be down where they are near the bottom -- Strome considered their best prospect(!) - Andersson #6 behind Kylington? Mangiapane is really the Flames' 2nd best prospect? Not good. - Merkley the best Shark's prospect (ulp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: That the Canucks seemingly built theirs very quickly in compare to some other top teams on that list. #3 overall pool, Dobber says #4. After just 4 years, without stripping the team down for picks, and Boeser already on the team and not on the list. Two more elite talents less than a year away from joining the team, Demko/Juolevi as high end and close, a good half-dozen middle-six/pairing prospects, then quite a few with good shots to play NHL games after them. ...but Benning should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Pretty decent listing, looks like some actual thought and knowledge went into the Canucks' ranking. Interesting aspects: - outside of Dahlin, not so sure about Buffalo being #1, especially with #3 Nylander still a question mark - Robert "Bo" Thomas St. Louis' #1: still figure that's the guy Benning tried to get a pick to draft last year - Jansen Harkins not even in the Jets' top-10 - good to see the Leafs more realistically mid-pack; probably put Edmonton a bit lower too - Arizona likewise should be down where they are near the bottom -- Strome considered their best prospect(!) - Andersson #6 behind Kylington? Mangiapane is really the Flames' 2nd best prospect? Not good. - Merkley the best Shark's prospect (ulp) trading those two first rounders and four second rounders for Hamilton and Hamonic have moved Calgary down the ladder a lot. Not only that the Elliott trade where they gave up a second rounder that turned out to be Jordan Kyrou (currently highly ranked in st louis' system) was a kick in the nards too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Canucks top 10 does not even include Jack Rathbone........big mistake on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, Darius said: trading those two first rounders and four second rounders for Hamilton and Hamonic have moved Calgary down the ladder a lot. Not only that the Elliott trade where they gave up a second rounder that turned out to be Jordan Kyrou (currently highly ranked in st louis' system) was a kick in the nards too. Can only go by what I hear from Flames' bloggers and such, but it sounds like Andersson is about ready to challenge for a roster spot but Kylington still with work to do. Dube and Foo are "decent" with potential but it seems they have no high-end forwards on the way, and Gillies is their only decent goalie? Clear evidence of what it looks like when you have a hole in the pool whether from not having high picks (Calgary) or drafting poorly (Canucks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Pretty decent listing, looks like some actual thought and knowledge went into the Canucks' ranking. Interesting aspects: - outside of Dahlin, not so sure about Buffalo being #1, especially with #3 Nylander still a question mark - Robert "Bo" Thomas St. Louis' #1: still figure that's the guy Benning tried to get a pick to draft last year - Jansen Harkins not even in the Jets' top-10 - good to see the Leafs more realistically mid-pack; probably put Edmonton a bit lower too - Arizona likewise should be down where they are near the bottom -- Strome considered their best prospect(!) - Andersson #6 behind Kylington? Mangiapane is really the Flames' 2nd best prospect? Not good. - Merkley the best Shark's prospect (ulp) I'm a Sabres fan first and have adopted the Canucks as my team in the west....talk about a gluten for punishment! Dahlin and Mittelstadt should be locks. I've seen a decent amount of Alex Nylander the past two seasons with Rochester and have been very disappointed. Very much a perimeter player at this point that will not engage in the tough areas. Still young and has time to improve but needs to show more this season. Guhle I think will develop into a good NHL defenseman and Asplund while I haven't seen him play is highly rated. Nice to see so many of the Canucks top prospects projected to play in the AHL next season although I hope that Dahlen listed for Timra is a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Outside Dahlin and Mittelstadt I don’t like the Sabers prospect pool. Only thing is those two guys are ELITE prospects. Good enough alone to bring them in the top 3. Also outside of our boys I really like St Louis and Detroit’s groups of prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Could someone please post the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drive-By Body Pierce said: Could someone please post the article? It's in the first post of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: It's in the first post of this thread. it is required to be posted and that this board not be used as click bait so get it posted or this thread will be locked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: It's in the first post of this thread. The article...not the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I think what the Flyers have done is very impressive. They haven't finished bottom 10 recently (if memory serves) or even if they have, not for an extended period of time and they still have a top 3 prospect pool. They don't have a Pettersson or a Hughes, but their depth is insane. Having multiple 1st rounders in 2015, 2017 and 2018 definitely helps and that's no fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 the phlemgs are screwed in the future. they have a terrible prospect pool for a team that's not even a contender they will choke again in the upcoming season. their best forward prospect is Dube? Kole Lind put up better numbers and they were on the same team. Mangipane is basically a more skilled Shinkaruk lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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