pushfrog7 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Trade #1: Vancouver Canucks obtain W. Nylander Toronto Maple Leafs obtain C. Tanev, S. Gagner (some salary retained by Canucks), and G. Brisebois Trade #2: Buffalo Sabres obtain W. Nylander Vancouver Canucks obtain San Jose's 2019 1st Round Pick (via Buffalo Sabres) and St. Louis' 2019 1st Round Pick (via Buffalo Sabres) Vancouver gets three 1st Round Picks for the 2019 draft that it will be hosting. Buffalo gets to troll Toronto with Nylander for years to come. A man can dream, can't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, pushfrog7 said: Trade #1: Vancouver Canucks obtain W. Nylander Toronto Maple Leafs obtain C. Tanev, S. Gagner (some salary retained by Canucks), and G. Brisebois Trade #2: Buffalo Sabres obtain W. Nylander Vancouver Canucks obtain San Jose's 2019 1st Round Pick (via Buffalo Sabres) and St. Louis' 2019 1st Round Pick (via Buffalo Sabres) Vancouver gets three 1st Round Picks for the 2019 draft that it will be hosting. Buffalo gets to troll Toronto with Nylander for years to come. A man can dream, can't he? You’re definitely dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Tanev, Sutter, and 2020 3rd round pick Nylander and Liljgren Tanev and Sutter make them much better right away. Nylander give us another young legit scorer and Liljgren give us a quality rhd prospect. This also allows us to draft BPA instead of looking for scoring or rhd. Baertschi Horvat Nylander Goldobin Petersson Boeser Dahlen Gaudette Virtanen Nice top 9 D prospects Hughes liljgren Juolevi Woo Tryamkin Brassard Brisebois This looks a lot better. At the deadline we could trade any of Edler, Nilsson, MDZ, Gagner, biega, Leipsic, Granlund, Motte, Eriksson for more picks for this year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushfrog7 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 18 hours ago, qwijibo said: You’re definitely dreaming. OK fine, fine. I'll take just one first round pick from Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, pushfrog7 said: OK fine, fine. I'll take just one first round pick from Buffalo Buffalo trades picks for Nylander, Vancouver gets nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Buffalo trades picks for Nylander, Vancouver gets nothing. unless Willie didn't have Buffalo on his list. Then its a sign-trade-burn deal for Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: unless Willie didn't have Buffalo on his list. Then its a sign-trade-burn deal for Nylander. Nylander has a NMC/NTC? Even if he did, which he doesn't, Buffalo is probably on most people's list right now. They are fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Nylander has a NMC/NTC? Even if he did, which he doesn't, Buffalo is probably on most people's list right now. They are fire. Nope not NTC, not for this contract. hey we're in the land of speculation right now. Maybe he's thrilled with the idea of playing with Pettersson, he's used to having elite talent on his line, not carrying one. In Buffalo he's probably expected to centre that 2nd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Haven't read all 8 pages to know if this has been suggested but here are my thoughts. To Toronto: Chris Tanev, Sven Baertschi (50% retained) To Vancouver: William Nylander, 2019 4th round pick Why: Obviously Nylander is holding out for an amount of money that Toronto feels like they can't do in the future because of the upcoming Matthews, Marner, Reilly extensions. They also could really use a veteran RH defenseman. Baertschi is a talented young scoring left winger on a good contract for the next three years, and Vancouver keeps half of the cost. Obviously Baertschi isn't in the Nylander camp but paying less than $1.7 million for Baertschi for the next three years is a steal for them. Re-sign Nylander for 7 years at $7.5 million It's a lot, both in terms of trading players and salary, I know, but gets us a top line player through our run with this new core. We aren't going to be able to get a young player of that caliber through free agency. This takes two veterans and turns them into a true core piece of our rebuild. Nylander - Petterson - Boeser would be incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, underrated said: Haven't read all 8 pages to know if this has been suggested but here are my thoughts. To Toronto: Chris Tanev, Sven Baertschi (50% retained) To Vancouver: William Nylander, 2019 4th round pick Why: Obviously Nylander is holding out for an amount of money that Toronto feels like they can't do in the future because of the upcoming Matthews, Marner, Reilly extensions. They also could really use a veteran RH defenseman. Baertschi is a talented young scoring left winger on a good contract for the next three years, and Vancouver keeps half of the cost. Obviously Baertschi isn't in the Nylander camp but paying less than $1.7 million for Baertschi for the next three years is a steal for them. Re-sign Nylander for 7 years at $7.5 million It's a lot, both in terms of trading players and salary, I know, but gets us a top line player through our run with this new core. We aren't going to be able to get a young player of that caliber through free agency. This takes two veterans and turns them into a true core piece of our rebuild. Nylander - Petterson - Boeser would be incredible Tanev does not have that kind of trade value. Botchford has been pushing for the Canucks to trade Tanev - it was all over twitter. The Canucks showed him the best offers they received for him. He changed his mind because the offers received were laughable. He just did an AMA on the Canucks reddit where he explains it. Baer and his concussion history gets you nothing in a trade either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, mll said: Tanev does not have that kind of trade value. Botchford has been pushing for the Canucks to trade Tanev - it was all over twitter. The Canucks showed him the best offers they received for him. He changed his mind because the offers received were laughable. He just did an AMA on the Canucks reddit where he explains it. Baer and his concussion history gets you nothing in a trade either. the lowball offers on Tanev are really dumb for other team to try to pull off. Lots of guys have a similar injury history, and Tanev is a top 4 quality rhd on nearly all teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: the lowball offers on Tanev are really dumb for other team to try to pull off. Lots of guys have a similar injury history, and Tanev is a top 4 quality rhd on nearly all teams. He doesn't bring offence. Teams talk about how it's way too hard to produce if your Ds can't help generate offence. MacLellan said one of the key reasons they finally won a Cup is that they had offensive Ds. Rutherford made a similar comment before him. Tanev is more of a 3rd pairing D on successful teams but he doesn't bring any kind of physicality. Teams now work as 5 men units and the Ds have to be able to read off the Fs to produce. Laviolette was recently explaining that in the o-zone positions are abandoned - it's just 5 guys working together to score a goal. Nashville has the best goal differential in the league but is also the team with the lowest goals against per game. Toronto has the 2nd best differential and are 4th in goals against per game. They defend by pushing for offence and maintaining possession in the o-zone. Most teams are moving in that direction. Montreal has changed their fortune around because that's their new strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, mll said: He doesn't bring offence. Teams talk about how it's way too hard to produce if your Ds can't help generate offence. MacLellan said one of the key reasons they finally won a Cup is that they had offensive Ds. Rutherford made a similar comment before him. Tanev is more of a 3rd pairing D on successful teams but he doesn't bring any kind of physicality. Teams now work as 5 men units and the Ds have to be able to read off the Fs to produce. Laviolette was recently explaining that in the o-zone positions are abandoned - it's just 5 guys working together to score a goal. Nashville has the best goal differential in the league but is also the team with the lowest goals against per game. Toronto has the 2nd best differential and are 4th in goals against per game. They defend by pushing for offence and maintaining possession in the o-zone. Most teams are moving in that direction. Montreal has changed their fortune around because that's their new strategy. I think thats an unfair knock on Tanev tbh. He generates nearly as much offence as a guy like Adam Larsson e.g. I understand the change to d's getting more involved in the play but you also need great penalty killing in the playoffs as well, which is where Tanev can really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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