DonLever Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 from CBC: Coalition Avenir Québec will form a majority government in Quebec, CBC News projects. Polls for the provincial election closed at 8 p.m. ET and as of 8:36 p.m. the CAQ was leading in 64 seats and the Liberals were leading in 31. The Parti Québécois had seven seats and Québec Solidaire had five. The right-of-centre party, which promises to lower taxes, privatize some aspects of the health system and cut the number of immigrants, capitalized on an appetite for change among Quebec voters and is favoured win the most seats. The party, founded in 2011, was the favourite heading into the campaign. But Legault stumbled badly at times, particularly when pressed to explain his party's immigration policy. Despite Legault's missteps, opinion polls suggest the CAQ has managed to hang on to the all-important lead among francophone voters, which could power him to a majority in the National Assembly. The Liberals, led by Philippe Couillard, campaigned on their strong economic record and a promise to improve the everyday lives of Quebecers. But they were subjected to criticism for their deep cuts to education and health care in the first two years of their mandate as they wrestled to balance the budget. Scant talk of sovereignty For the first time in decades, the question of whether Quebec should become independent hasn't figured prominently in the campaign. Either the federalist Liberals or the pro-independence Parti Québécois have held power in the province since the defeat of Union Nationale in 1970. New Who is François Legault, Quebec's next premier? But with support for sovereignty waning, the PQ, led by Jean-François Lisée, said it would put off holding a referendum until a second mandate. Polls suggest the PQ could lose votes to another sovereignist party, the smaller, left-wing Québec Solidaire, led by two popular "co-spokespeople," Manon Massé and Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois. The party's platform, including a series of bold environmental proposals, is particularly popular among young voters. When the election was called, the Liberals held 68 seats, the PQ held 28, the CAQ 21 and Québec Solidaire three, along with five independents in the province's 125-seat National Assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Anti immigrant party this should go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Violator said: Anti immigrant party this should go well. Reducing immigration is not anti-immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 @don lever it's caq not cac. So now the liberals have been smashed in Ontario and Quebec. Possibly a pattern starting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 nvm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Violator said: Anti immigrant party this should go well. All political parties in Quebec have some degree of anti-immigrant to them. Remember, in Quebec, Quebec identity is utmost to most everyone. Unlike the rest of Canada, multiculturalism is not how they view society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Quebec swings wildly left to right depending on whomever offers the best package that cycle. But by and large every party in the Q is essentially the same for governance I do wonder if legault will in fact pursue trudeau over line east like he promised though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: @don lever it's caq not cac. So now the liberals have been smashed in Ontario and Quebec. Possibly a pattern starting? I see the same movement across our country and around the western world. There will be a very strong shift to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: I see the same movement across our country and around the western world. There will be a very strong shift to the right. This election isn't the best example for that. Having spoken to a few Quebecers they have intimated that there is no major idealogical shift in Quebec. The CAQ is not close to being far right by any stretch of the imagination. On the plus side this is the nail in the coffin for Quebec separatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Perfect, now its up to the PPC to finish the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: I see the same movement across our country and around the western world. There will be a very strong shift to the right. Liberals smashed in Canada's two biggest provinces which also are traditionally left leaning provinces. Oh and the liberals were defeated in New Brunswick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, mpt said: Perfect, now its up to the PPC to finish the job The only thing Bernier will manage to do is split the vote and hand Trudeau another government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: I see the same movement across our country and around the western world. There will be a very strong shift to the right. and then it will swing back again when people get tired of that government. Why does it mean anything more than the natural swing of election cycles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The party describes itself as of neither the left nor the right: it is not particularly economically conservative, with economic policies similar to the Quebec Liberal Party and social policies to their right.[30] However, its politics have been described in the press as centre-right by Quebec standards.[31][32][33][34][35][36] The party proposes government investment in education and partial decentralization of the healthcare system. They promise "to further develop the entrepreneurial culture in Québec" and provide government resources for the private sector. The party also supports austerity "to provide the government with the flexibility it needs to adapt to the ongoing changes in the economy"; one measure specifically mentioned is leaving 6,000 open Hydro-Québec employment positions unfilled.[37] The party supports abolishing school boards and increasing the autonomy of principals and their governing boards.[38] Although the party does not support independence, it advocates Quebec nationalism.[37] On 10 April 2014, the party stated that it would never hold a referendum on leaving Canada: "[There] will never be a referendum for the life of the coalition even after 10 years, even after 20 years, so that's clear. And I was clear but people understood something else."[39] François Legault also pointed out that "Once it is clear that there will never be a referendum with the Coalition Avenir Québec, the anglophones and allophones, who don't want a referendum, have to understand that we offer an alternative to the Liberals."[40] However, Legault has stated "aggressive[ly]" that a CAQ government would not repeal Bill 101.[41] The party is critical of equalization paymentsand plans to remove Quebec from receiving equalization payments.[42] According to the party, Quebec is defined by "its historical heritage, the French language, its democratic ideals and the principles of the secularity of the State, and equality among men and women".[37] The Party supported the Quebec ban on face covering but also argue the ban is not extensive enough.[43] This includes limiting immigration and promoting the use of French without creating new barriers. The party supports multiculturalisminsofar as to "integrate newcomers".[37] In 2018, it plans to cut the number of immigrants by 20 per cent, to 40,000 annually.[44] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, butters said: and then it will swing back again when people get tired of that government. Why does it mean anything more than the natural swing of election cycles? Well in Ontario the liberals had their biggest defeat in Ontario history and I think this is one of their biggest losses ever in Quebec for the Liberals. They aren't just losing elections, they're getting smashed. Most likely in 2019 Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario will all be conservative and a right of centre party in Quebec. Also in BC the BC liberals(centre to centre right party) won the most seats and in New Brunswick the conservatives won the most seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 uh-huh, and then it will swing back again when people get tired of that government. Why does it mean anything more than the natural swing of election cycles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, butters said: uh-huh, and then it will swing back again when people get tired of that government. Why does it mean anything more than the natural swing of election cycles? Remember when the PC's were decimated in the 90s the party was no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Remember when the PC's were decimated in the 90s the party was no more. Was the death of the PC party the death of the of conservative politics in Canada? (I'm not being a smart ass, I'm genuinely curious on your views as I was a child living in the US when that happened) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I see the same movement across our country and around the western world. There will be a very strong shift to the right. Off course the exception is here in BC where the Liberal party is a ( Big C ) Conservative party, but yes the libtard/antifa factions are breaking and taking from traditional liberals and making it all possible for these changes globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 All these people complaining about immigrants and voting in anti immigration parties just don't get it. Ask yourselves why do western governments bring in so many immigrants when it's not always popular with the established population? When it's tough for them to integrate, etc? As Bill Clinton so famously said "It's the economy, Stupid". Birth rates especially across the western world are declining. This is not a good recipe for growing an economy. A growing economy needs more jobs, more workers, more consumers, higher wages, greater velocity of money, more inflation, more everything. So if people are not being birthed at needed levels, governments are going to bring in immigrants. Not because they want to, because they have to. Just look at how western governments dealt with the Great Recession. They didn't let things fail and let the natural order of economics do it's thing. They wallpapered over it by plowing into trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt to get the economy growing. Because the resulting stagnation/deflation and possible breakdown of social order is unacceptable. Western governments are willing to put up with the odd immigrant being a rapist or murderer. Because the fallout out from that is minor compared to the fallout of a stagnating or declining economy. If you're one of the anti immigrant group, ask yourself how many kids do you have or are you planning to have? If the answer is 0,1 or 2 you're part of the reason why Canada is being inundated with immigrants. Either Canadians are going to have larger families or immigrants are coming. It's the economy, Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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