coolboarder Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Duodenum said: Your post goes completely against all of the statistics. Your feelings mean nothing in front of data. It doesn't matter, they took a life away from the victim so why should we allow what statistics says about the prisoner's life while they took away their life? They already knew what is right and wrong before they committed crimes even a mentally illness criminals knew what is right and wrong. Death penalty should be reintroduced in Canada so that we do not hear from their complaint of their rights in prison or even their mental health rights and that's insane for us to give what they demands while being in prison. That is a silly argument when talking about data when we have all the DNA evidences and better technology that can point toward the murder. We also have the technology where DNA doesn't match and can save the innocent's life from death penalty. For them to talk about removing solitary confinement while serving life in prison doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, coolboarder said: It doesn't matter, they took a life away from the victim so why should we allow what statistics says about the prisoner's life while they took away their life? They already knew what is right and wrong before they committed crimes even a mentally illness criminals knew what is right and wrong. Death penalty should be reintroduced in Canada so that we do not hear from their complaint of their rights in prison or even their mental health rights and that's insane for us to give what they demands while being in prison. That is a silly argument when talking about data when we have all the DNA evidences and better technology that can point toward the murder. We also have the technology where DNA doesn't match and can save the innocent's life from death penalty. For them to talk about removing solitary confinement while serving life in prison doesn't make any sense. It does matter. You are allowing personal feelings dictate laws that affect the country and its communities as a whole. The data shows that the death penalty, solitary confinement, etc. all have no affect on recidivism. There's a strong causal relationship between solitary and increased recidivism. There's also weak evidence that show solitary increases the rate of re-incarceration. Meaning all the prisoners placed in solitary while in prison have an increased rate of commiting more crimes when they are released than prisoners who weren't in solitary. What's better, making a single victim feel slightly better, or preventing more people from becoming victims? The more you punish, the more prisoners commit crime when released. It's partly why countries with strong rehabilitation programs have so few criminals, much fewer are them become lifelong criminals after their first prison stay. Not even going to get into capital punishment and how wrong that is. Let's just say all the DNA evidence in the world hasn't prevented innocents from wrongly receiving the death penalty. Better to tackle this problem with some critical thinking rather than think: criminals = bad, must punish/torture/kill them. It's not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, coolboarder said: It doesn't matter, they took a life away from the victim so why should we allow what statistics says about the prisoner's life while they took away their life? So in your world, every person in prison is a murderer? 55 minutes ago, coolboarder said: They already knew what is right and wrong before they committed crimes even a mentally illness criminals knew what is right and wrong. Not true at all and that's actually why courts determine if a mentally ill person could appreciate the consequences of their actions. 56 minutes ago, coolboarder said: Death penalty should be reintroduced in Canada so that we do not hear from their complaint of their rights in prison or even their mental health rights and that's insane for us to give what they demands while being in prison. Unless you plan on tossing out every rule regarding the treatment of prisoners, even death row inmates have legal rights. So reintroducing the death penalty won't do that. 58 minutes ago, coolboarder said: That is a silly argument when talking about data when we have all the DNA evidences and better technology that can point toward the murder. We also have the technology where DNA doesn't match and can save the innocent's life from death penalty. Pointing out that DNA evidence has proven innocent people have been executed is a silly argument? I'd say that's a pretty major issue. 1 hour ago, coolboarder said: For them to talk about removing solitary confinement while serving life in prison doesn't make any sense. You're aware people in prison aren't put into solitary confinement by default, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 hours ago, HI5 said: Solitary confinement is what kept me sane in prison. The amount of idiocy you have to deal with in a medium security facility is extremely agonizing and gruelling to anyone with even a pea sized brain. Is there a story you'd like to share with the class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Nice to see prisons taking rehabilitation more seriously. Solitary confinement does no one good. You want punishment? They're already in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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