[Discussion] Buy low on Pulijujarvi

[flickyoursedin]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I like Puliarvi too, but would he get any more opportunities with us?  

He’d be better than anybody on Horvats wing right now.

[Vanisleryan]

22 hours ago, Me_ said:

If there’s a time and place to commit a Neely gaffe, it is with getting rid of Virtanen. That makes no sense.

I agree, Jake is showing a lot more promise these days. I was just trying to get the conversation started. I do think if Pulijujarvi can be had for the right price it's worth taking a flyer. Sven and Granny trades have worked out great so far. Maybe a 2nd and a D prospect is not that far off. I do think that Tanev for Pulijujarvi is a no go for us.... Pulijujarvi has shown nothing so far, he is for all intent and purpose a reclamation project now at the age of 20...way to do it again Oilers. 

[Alflives]

42 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

He’d be better than anybody on Horvats wing right now.

What about Puliarvi’s play without the puck though?  Does his offensive production out weigh his lack of defensive awareness?  I could see Green demanding Puliarvi plays a 200 foot game in order to earn his ice time.

[flickyoursedin]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

What about Puliarvi’s play without the puck though?  Does his offensive production out weigh his lack of defensive awareness?  I could see Green demanding Puliarvi plays a 200 foot game in order to earn his ice time.

We’re having this thread because Puljujarvi’s offensive production just isn’t there. It’s almost like Vancouver fans being disappointed with Virtanen’s production in his first couple years but fail to realize he’s playing about 10 minutes a night every other game and in the bottom 6 with minimal offensive zone starts. I don’t watch Edmonton games so I can’t comment on his whole game but from his draft I don’t recall him being poor defensively. He’s a big kid and has a very good active stick from what I remember.

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

We’re having this thread because Puljujarvi’s offensive production just isn’t there. It’s almost like Vancouver fans being disappointed with Virtanen’s production in his first couple years but fail to realize he’s playing about 10 minutes a night every other game and in the bottom 6 with minimal offensive zone starts. I don’t watch Edmonton games so I can’t comment on his whole game but from his draft I don’t recall him being poor defensively. He’s a big kid and has a very good active stick from what I remember.

I recall comments about how he could play center.  

[higgyfan]

6 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:

He’d be better than anybody on Horvats wing right now.

There must be somebody on the Canucks that could add 1pt in 9 games alongside Bo.

 

Besides, Coilers have no available cap hit so they would want a 1st round pick or very good prospect (Hughs).  Seems like a risky exchange considering Pu's production so far.

[hammertime]

Ill wade into the poolparty.... EDM lacks depth they have no 2ndary scoring.

 

I'd offer Kolya + the rights to Tryamkin + conditional pick if Tram doesn't sign. I think Tram would sign especially if his buddy Goldobin was lighting it up with McJesus. I doubt Tryamkin returns to the Canucks. So trading his rights to somewhere he would play might be our best option.

 

Bae Bo Boeser

Dahlen EP Jesse/Virtanen

Granlund Gaudette Loui/Jesse

Roussel Beagle Loui/Virtanen

 

I assume Sutter will be deadline fodder 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[D-Money]

2 hours ago, hammertime said:

I doubt Tryamkin returns to the Canucks. So trading his rights to somewhere he would play might be our best option.

I'm not sure if Tree will be back. But in case he does, I'd hesitate to deal him to a Pacific team. 

 

Ask Brad Richardson what it's like to have Tryamkin in your division!

 

 

...However, if that was enough to land JP, then if course you do it... ...but it's not.

[flickyoursedin]

2 hours ago, higgyfan said:

There must be somebody on the Canucks that could add 1pt in 9 games alongside Bo.

 

Besides, Coilers have no available cap hit so they would want a 1st round pick or very good prospect (Hughs).  Seems like a risky exchange considering Pu's production so far.

Pulj is playing bottom 6 with either Strome and Lucic or Brodziak and Khaira. I would think minimal to no offensive zone starts as that’s probably taken all by either McDavid or Draisaitls lines. Playing with Horvat in a top 6 with more offensive opportunity would lead to more points I would think. The way you word that sounds like Granlund, Motte and Schaller are better options for Horvats wing.

[Phat Fingers]

On 2018-10-31 at 2:08 PM, kenhodgejr said:

if Jake Virtanen + Hutton could land us Puljujarvi and maybe take back kassian I would do it. Its worth the risk to land a player with potential top 6 skill. He might just be like Juolevi who was a bit overwhelmed and needed some time adjusting to the NA game to build confidence. 

 

Juolevi is doing well now down in Utica. 

 

Under good coaching in Utica Puljujarvi could find his game and hopefully develop some chemistry with Juolevi and Palmu 

 

Next year he would have a good chance at cracking our top 6

Nope. 

 

Poolparty hasnt shown anything and Jake just seems to be putting things together, horrible time to move him. 

 

Its not to say that Poolparty isn’t worth a flyer but I wouldn’t want to overpay for the next failed Oiler. 

[Nuck1991]

just love this guy if somehow we can trade for him, hes having a hard time getting going this year. i believe goldy for JP, but mayb goldobin has more to offer as of now but he is on  a short leash

[TheGuardian_]

On ‎10‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 12:00 AM, Vanisleryan said:

If there was ever a time to buy low on this kid it could be now. Edmonton will be under a ton of pressure this year to succeed. He has been scratched 2 games in a row. One can wonder if reuniting him with a Joluevi might boost his confidence and give him a clean start. He could be had cheaper then one might think. Virtanen for Pulijujarvi could be worth considering...and I dont think that price is far off for Pulijujarvi at this point. Thoughts? 

His big problem is ice time and position, he excelled as a center getting1rst and 2nd line minutes in preseason games 2 years in a row he just isn't a 4th guy. McDavid - C, Draisatl - C, RHN - C the team is deep down the middle. He isn't a Selke candidate and something has to give due to cap concerns.

As long as they are in a PO spot there is no pressure but if they start slipping then a goalie and dman might get him, Tanev and Demko/DiPietro.

[Me_]

On 2018-11-05 at 11:11 PM, Nuck1991 said:

just love this guy if somehow we can trade for him, hes having a hard time getting going this year. i believe goldy for JP, but mayb goldobin has more to offer as of now but he is on  a short leash

Goldobin has turned out to be the perfect winger for Pettersson. Why would we trade a functioning part of the top 6 for someone who has not shown much yet?

 

Does Puljurarvi need a change of scenery? Absolutely. For Goldobin? Not sure about that.

[Me_]

Well, Puljujarvi was just sent down to the AHL...

 

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[mll]

On 11/9/2018 at 10:46 PM, TheGuardian_ said:

His big problem is ice time and position, he excelled as a center getting1rst and 2nd line minutes in preseason games 2 years in a row he just isn't a 4th guy. McDavid - C, Draisatl - C, RHN - C the team is deep down the middle. He isn't a Selke candidate and something has to give due to cap concerns.

As long as they are in a PO spot there is no pressure but if they start slipping then a goalie and dman might get him, Tanev and Demko/DiPietro.

He has always been used as a winger.  He only took 2 face-off in all those pre-season games from 2016 to 2018 (it's when the C gets kicked out of the circle).  

 

As for production, he had no points in 2016 in 5 games.  In 2017 he had 3pts (2g + 1a) that came all in one game where he played under 13min and the team won 6-2.  He had no points in the other 4 games he played.  In 2018 he had 4 goals in 5 games.

 

Tanev is not the kind of D that the Oilers are looking for.  They want an offensive D that can put up points.  The D they really wanted per MacKenzie was Ryan Ellis but Nashville is not moving him.

 

[TheGuardian_]

3 hours ago, mll said:

Tanev is not the kind of D that the Oilers are looking for.  They want an offensive D that can put up points.  The D they really wanted per MacKenzie was Ryan Ellis but Nashville is not moving him.

That was what they said 3 years ago when they traded for Larsson, they have been saying a dman that could free up Nurse and/or Klefbom to be more offensive, also PO experience and a player they can fit under the cap. Many teams would want an Ellis type player but they would not have cap space next year for 6.25 mil. unless they included a draft pick and Nashville retained salary.

 

The offensive dman the Oilers wanted, Larsson, Nurse and Klefbom, they now need a defensive specialist. 

[mll]

14 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

That was what they said 3 years ago when they traded for Larsson, they have been saying a dman that could free up Nurse and/or Klefbom to be more offensive, also PO experience and a player they can fit under the cap. Many teams would want an Ellis type player but they would not have cap space next year for 6.25 mil. unless they included a draft pick and Nashville retained salary.

 

The offensive dman the Oilers wanted, Larsson, Nurse and Klefbom, they now need a defensive specialist. 

Nashville is not breaking up their top-4 D anytime soon.  

 

It's Chiarelli at the end of the season that said his priority is to find an offensive D.  He even put the 10th overall in play but found no one.  They want to build the same kind of D-corps as Nashville who doesn't have and don't want defensive Ds.  For MacLellan they are the best D-corps in the league.

 

[The_Rocket]

Dont waste your time on puljujarvi. The oilers have ruined his development and he has become a floater and passenger in that team (like a lot of their other players). Trying grow him is going to be even harder than developing Jake or Goldobin. That’s not to say it won’t happen, but I wouldn’t rely on it. 

 

Canucks should be looking else where for offensive help. 

[mll]

5 minutes ago, The_Rocket said:

Dont waste your time on puljujarvi. The oilers have ruined his development and he has become a floater and passenger in that team (like a lot of their other players). Trying grow him is going to be even harder than developing Jake or Goldobin. That’s not to say it won’t happen, but I wouldn’t rely on it. 

 

Canucks should be looking else where for offensive help. 

What if CBJ knew something that others didn't.

 

It's not the same crew in Edmonton anymore.  Not even the same scouting department.  

[TheGuardian_]

59 minutes ago, mll said:

What if CBJ knew something that others didn't.

 

It's not the same crew in Edmonton anymore.  Not even the same scouting department.  

I really think he was not the type of player they had use for, he was BPA but they would have been crucified if they selected other than Tkachuk.

 

He dominated his peers by quite a margin his draft year. He is just the player they need, sort of like trying to force Virtanen to be a "power forwards" and a hitting machine instead of just letting him pay his game powerfully.

 

But the ask price should go down. He is only 20. Maybe his was of getting "UP" for the game isn't spiritual?