Sergei Shirokov Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 The Canucks have received a lot of criticism over the management of their rebuild these past few years. But in comparison to other teams, this rebuild is actually starting to look really good considering the fact that the canucks have not had a pick higher than 5th overall in the last 3 years, and have had a very limited trade-able asset base since Benning took over. It appears as though they are ready to compete for a playoff position as early as this season, and are displaying a lot of success in comparison to teams in similar situations. In the 5 years since Jim Benning took over, he has completely overhauled this team for the better. Moving forward, this team has young potential superstars in Petterson, Boeser, and Hughes, a solid base of good players in Horvat, Virtanen, Gaudette, and Goldobin, and important pieces still coming in the farm system like Demko, Juolevi, and Dahlen. They essentially have pieces in all positions, and are competing for a playoff spot as early as 4 years into the rebuild. This mix of players is big, fast, and skilled. In comparison to other franchises: The Chicago Blackhawks spent nearly a decade of missing the playoffs until finally getting lucky with a 1st and 3rd overall picks to draft Toews and Kane. The Oilers missed the playoffs for 10 years before finally landing McDavid, and have had several first overall picks that have failed, or underwhelmed. To this date, they are still a very imperfect team despite having McDavid. The same story can essentially be said for the likes of the Florida Panthers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Buffalo Sabres, New York Islanders, Tampa Bay Lightning, and Los Angelos Kings. The key differences is that these teams had been gifted 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall picks, and have been a lot worse for a lot longer. The canucks did more with A LOT less. Mostly through a combination of smart drafting, patient development, and providing solid veteran players for mentor the young players. The only mistake I can think of was rushing Virtanen and McCann to the NHL, but they have since rectified this. The move of trading for some older young players like Baertschi, Granlund, and Gudbranson was a smart move to provide a natural mix to the team, and help insulate the team. You can argue it was a mistake signing expensive veterans, but they serve a purpose in building organizational depth, buying time to develop younger players, and providing important mentorship to prospects, as well as challenging young players to "earn" their roster spot. So what do you guys think? Did Vancouver actually have the right rebuild plan all along? Here is a piece from Ed Willis of comparing Vancouver's rebuild plan to Toronto's. https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ed-willes-canucks-linden-revamp-left-in-the-dust-by-leafs-shana-plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Oct 3, 2017 I pointed this out in my thread, "Stealth Rebuild Is 80% Done". As last season progressed, we upped the % by 1, every 4 games. Even changed the re-thingy, but always kept stealthy about it. So yes, some of us have been paying attention :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 In Benning we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Ive always been a Benning fan. From day one i loved his picks (overall) . I think our philosophy at the draft table has made for a team built to play in the modern NHL. We have a ways to go yet , but yes , it's very impressive to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FijianCanuck Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sergei Shirokov said: The Canucks have received a lot of criticism over the management of their rebuild these past few years. But in comparison to other teams, this rebuild is actually starting to look really good considering the fact that the canucks have not had a pick higher than 5th overall in the last 3 years, and have had a very limited trade-able asset base since Benning took over. It appears as though they are ready to compete for a playoff position as early as this season, and are displaying a lot of success in comparison to teams in similar situations. In the 5 years since Jim Benning took over, he has completely overhauled this team for the better. Moving forward, this team has young potential superstars in Petterson, Boeser, and Hughes, a solid base of good players in Horvat, Virtanen, Gaudette, and Goldobin, and important pieces still coming in the farm system like Demko, Juolevi, and Dahlen. They essentially have pieces in all positions, and are competing for a playoff spot as early as 4 years into the rebuild. This mix of players is big, fast, and skilled. In comparison to other franchises: The Chicago Blackhawks spent nearly a decade of missing the playoffs until finally getting lucky with a 1st and 3rd overall picks to draft Toews and Kane. The Oilers missed the playoffs for 10 years before finally landing McDavid, and have had several first overall picks that have failed, or underwhelmed. To this date, they are still a very imperfect team despite having McDavid. The same story can essentially be said for the likes of the Florida Panthers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Buffalo Sabres, New York Islanders, Tampa Bay Lightning, and Los Angelos Kings. The key differences is that these teams had been gifted 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall picks, and have been a lot worse for a lot longer. The canucks did more with A LOT less. Mostly through a combination of smart drafting, patient development, and providing solid veteran players for mentor the young players. So what do you guys think? Did Vancouver actually have the right rebuild plan all along? This can only be answered in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 My views in regards to the "shana plan" that i feel Ed Willes glossed over to make the canucks look inept. T.O. amassed quite a few nice pieces for their farm team over a decade of losing where previous management of the Canucks traded their assets to push for the cup. So with the horse shoe up their @$$ in winning (or is it Losing to) draft mathews and an already strong Marlies club they pull Babcock quite easily away from a quickly declining detroit club. Of course babcock seen the writing on the wall in detroit plus a huge paycheck . The leafs look great in a really fast time frame but will pay the price in keeping this window open as where the Canucks seem to have its pieces spread out in hopes of maintaining its core players over a longer time frame. Nylander is just the start to the leafs nightmares and i hope many more in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Sergei Shirokov said: Canucks displaying a model rebuild plan Don't think you can say that until the results of the rebuild are known. There are certainly encouraging signs and even the trolliest of the CDC trolls have retreated to bridges for the most part but until this is a perennial playoff team, then it is not a "model" for anything. Right now they are showing the trend is in the right direction. Even the most diehard optimistic Canuck fan cannot claim more success than that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 While I appreciate the sentiment and optimistic outlook, I feel like there are a number of very important things that need to happen before we can relish in the glow of a successful rebuild... and ultimately playoff success. Goaltending proving itself as elite. I'm bummed for Demko, really wishing him health. He must be choked. Dipietro could be a show stopper but is still a long ways out. Defence (cha cha cha) Defence (cha cha cha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Even the most diehard optimistic Canuck fan cannot claim more success than that yet. @apollo Where are we at bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 We got lucky with 4 other teams underestimating EP. And I am still not sure how Quinn fell to us either. I am THANKFUL, but building around other teams' scouting deficiencies is not exactly what I would call a strategy heh. Benning going to the NCAA well, smart UFA signings (2018 UFAs are all awesome IMO), and the deep draft lottery ticket picks (actual gut feeling scouting here matters) is how we are going to win. This, and trusting the system that Green is instilling in the whole team. Relentless puck pressure. And finally, a really important factor is still just plain old dumb luck. You need that lucky save once in a while. You need that lucky goal once in a while. And you need luck to stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Still never gonna get over all the “why are they signing depth guys in free agency” people. Sure would be better if we just threw Juolevi, Lind, Gadjovich and Demko to the wolves instead of stewing them. On top of having a AHL NHL roster. People remember Chaput and Megna but complain when Benning signs Roussels, Schallers and Beagles so we don’t need to see those scrubs no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Why the comparison with Toronto ( not reading this article you posted ) The fairest comaprison is with the Boston Bruins from 2011 going forward. Teams like Toronto for decades and Edmonton since 2006 have been "rebuilding - rebuilds!" I have been a staunch supporter of Benning since he was hired, we who have backed him are enjoying the ride. GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 The projected core is mostly drafted 1C - Pettersson 2C - Horvat Scoring Winger - Boeser Power Forward - Virtanen ? Defensive Specialist - Sutter (29), Gaudette ? Offensive D - Hughes ? Defensive D - Juolevi ? Goalie - Demko ? DiPietro ? There are plenty of question marks still so let's not get too excited. I would like to see some more high end D drafted and a high end LW would help At this point, the rebuild is going just fine. Given the circumstance, I don't think we should expect any better. FWIW 4 years, 5 drafts for Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 are we being trolled ? did this plan originate in the center of the universe? is it approved by tsn? did the laffs have a hand in it? unless the answer to one of the above questions is yes then this is not the model for a rebuild but rather some left coast effort to want to be like toronto which is simply not possible (thank god) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I have said all along that Benning and (Linden) from the start were doing the right thing. Now people who never saw what was going on (the bandwagoners) get excited. the plan is not yet finished but we can see that soon it will be done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 on a more serious note listen all rebuilds become wonderfully easier when the right key player is drafted look at the oilers... repeated 1st overall picks meant nothing until mcdavid look at the canucks fine drafting record by jb but this would have been a really tough season without ep40 let's not kid ourselves about that what the canucks did do.. or rather what jb did... is to not win any lottery or overall pick, in fact he always dropped in the draft and yet managed to select a generational player and suddenly the canucks look like a credible rebuilding team ep40 makes all the difference the rest is just window dressing (though that is very important and necessary as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Crabcakes said: The projected core is mostly drafted 1C - Pettersson 2C - Horvat Scoring Winger - Boeser Power Forward - Virtanen ? Defensive Specialist - Sutter (29), Gaudette ? Offensive D - Hughes ? Defensive D - Juolevi ? Goalie - Demko ? DiPietro ? There are plenty of question marks still so let's not get too excited. I would like to see some more high end D drafted and a high end LW would help At this point, the rebuild is going just fine. Given the circumstance, I don't think we should expect any better. FWIW 4 years, 5 drafts for Benning. I am not jumping on the Guance band wagon but if the Canucks were to move Sutter who has great trade value to teams that project themselves to go deep in the playoffs, Gaunce becomes the fourth line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Let's take a look at the Canucks future core player and where they are drafted: Bo Horvat - 1st round 9th overall in 2013 Thatcher Demko - 2nd round 36th overall in 2014 Brock Boeser - 1st round 23rd overall in 2015 Olli Juolevi - 1st round 5th overall in 2016 Elias Pettersson - 1st round 5th overall in 2017 Quinn Hughes - 1st round 7th overall in 2018 None of these guys are drafted in the top 3. Zero. This makes our building of the team impressive because this team gets screwed over by the NHL in the draft lottery year after year and still able to get good players and build a young core. It is all about smart scouting and drafting. The league never gift-wrap a franchise/generational player to us like they did with the Leafs (Matthews) and Oilers (McDavid). The Canucks actually have to go out and find their own franchise player in Elias Pettersson with the 5th overall pick. The EP pick is the biggest middle finger the Canucks can give to the league and its stupid lottery system. Drafting Boeser at 23rd overall is also a major steal as in any redraft, Boeser would of gone in the top 10 that year. I have yet to mention secondary cores made up of Jake Virtanen, Adam Gaudette, Guilume Briseboi, Michael Dipietro, Kole Lind, Jonah Gadjovich, Jonathan Dahlen etc. And base on early plays this season, it looks like Tyler Madden and Jack Rathbone could again be late round steals for the team. Overall, I think this team has done a lot of good things but just over the past few years, the media and other fan bases just likes to make fun of this team because it is easy. Not many people actually take an in depth look at the terrible team that Benning inherited from Gillis. The team was on the down swing, the core players were getting older and the prospect pool was shallow, and a long list of bad contracts with NTCs. We had to go through the pains from the 2015-16 season to 2017-18 season because of that. Benning at revamp the prospect pool to one of the worst in the league to one of the best. And he is going to continue to build this team around these youngsters. It will still take sometime before the Canucks become a true contender, but from the look of things, we seem to have came through the darkest part of the tunnel and begin to see glimpses of daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littledreamer Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I like the direction, but watching the COL game, it would be 6-2 or 6-3 AVS if EP didn't exist. He's huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Shirokov Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, ruilin96 said: Let's take a look at the Canucks future core player and where they are drafted: Bo Horvat - 1st round 9th overall in 2013 Thatcher Demko - 2nd round 36th overall in 2014 Brock Boeser - 1st round 23rd overall in 2015 Olli Juolevi - 1st round 5th overall in 2016 Elias Pettersson - 1st round 5th overall in 2017 Quinn Hughes - 1st round 7th overall in 2018 None of these guys are drafted in the top 3. Zero. This makes our building of the team impressive because this team gets screwed over by the NHL in the draft lottery year after year and still able to get good players and build a young core. It is all about smart scouting and drafting. The league never gift-wrap a franchise/generational player to us like they did with the Leafs (Matthews) and Oilers (McDavid). The Canucks actually have to go out and find their own franchise player in Elias Pettersson with the 5th overall pick. The EP pick is the biggest middle finger the Canucks can give to the league and its stupid lottery system. Drafting Boeser at 23rd overall is also a major steal as in any redraft, Boeser would of gone in the top 10 that year. I have yet to mention secondary cores made up of Jake Virtanen, Adam Gaudette, Guilume Briseboi, Michael Dipietro, Kole Lind, Jonah Gadjovich, Jonathan Dahlen etc. And base on early plays this season, it looks like Tyler Madden and Jack Rathbone could again be late round steals for the team. Overall, I think this team has done a lot of good things but just over the past few years, the media and other fan bases just likes to make fun of this team because it is easy. Not many people actually take an in depth look at the terrible team that Benning inherited from Gillis. The team was on the down swing, the core players were getting older and the prospect pool was shallow, and a long list of bad contracts with NTCs. We had to go through the pains from the 2015-16 season to 2017-18 season because of that. Benning at revamp the prospect pool to one of the worst in the league to one of the best. And he is going to continue to build this team around these youngsters. It will still take sometime before the Canucks become a true contender, but from the look of things, we seem to have came through the darkest part of the tunnel and begin to see glimpses of daylight. Exactly, I'm not saying the Canucks are instant cup contenders or anything, but Benning was not dealt a good hand in comparison to a lot of teams that had rebuild windows of up to 10 years. To this day, we're in the running with Leafs and Oilers, and with several players still stewing in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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