Canucks displaying a model rebuild plan

[theo5789]

12 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:

Let's take a look at the Canucks future core player and where they are drafted:

 

Bo Horvat - 1st round 9th overall in 2013

Thatcher Demko - 2nd round 36th overall in 2014

Brock Boeser - 1st round 23rd overall in 2015

Olli Juolevi - 1st round 5th overall in 2016

Elias Pettersson - 1st round 5th overall in 2017

Quinn Hughes - 1st round 7th overall in 2018

 

None of these guys are drafted in the top 3. Zero. This makes our building of the team impressive because this team gets screwed over by the NHL in the draft lottery year after year and still able to get good players and build a young core. It is all about smart scouting and drafting. The league never gift-wrap a franchise/generational player to us like they did with the Leafs (Matthews) and Oilers (McDavid). The Canucks actually have to go out and find their own franchise player in Elias Pettersson with the 5th overall pick. The EP pick is the biggest middle finger the Canucks can give to the league and its stupid lottery system. Drafting Boeser at 23rd overall is also a major steal as in any redraft, Boeser would of gone in the top 10 that year. I have yet to mention secondary cores made up of Jake Virtanen, Adam Gaudette, Guilume Briseboi, Michael Dipietro, Kole Lind, Jonah Gadjovich, Jonathan Dahlen etc. And base on early plays this season, it looks like Tyler Madden and Jack Rathbone could again be late round steals for the team. Overall, I think this team has done a lot of good things but just over the past few years, the media and other fan bases just likes to make fun of this team because it is easy. Not many people actually take an in depth look at the terrible team that Benning inherited from Gillis. The team was on the down swing, the core players were getting older and the prospect pool was shallow, and a long list of bad contracts with NTCs. We had to go through the pains from the 2015-16 season to 2017-18 season because of that. Benning at revamp the prospect pool to one of the worst in the league to one of the best. And he is going to continue to build this team around these youngsters. It will still take sometime before the Canucks become a true contender, but from the look of things, we seem to have came through the darkest part of the tunnel and begin to see glimpses of daylight.

McDavid

Eichel

Aho

Barzal

Rantanen

Werenski

Marner

Provorov

Boeser

Meier

Chabot

Connor

Hanifin

Konecny

Fischer

 

Yeah I can see him as a top 10 in a re-draft for now, but what an incredible draft it turned out to be and there will be players that could continue to impress and even bump Boeser out of a top 10 spot (Meier has been lights out this season and who knows if Chabot would look better on a better team). Biggest climber for me is Sebastian Aho though, what a steal that was for Carolina.

 

[oldnews]

I'd ask when the 'rebuild' began, but nevermind, I hear it just started last deadline. so let's go with that.

 

Fastest rebuild ever. 

 

Imagine if Benning had only started it on time.

 

Anyhow - I'm still apprehensive about expecting results this season.  It will be great if they can sustain this pace - but hard to expect them to if they remain this depleted and the grind starts setting in.   A young, and shortened roster, despite the better depth of skilled youth and shutdown forwards might have some difficulty keeping gas in the tank - but you never know.  I'll shed the optimism if that sets in, but regardless, we're seeing the makings of a hell of a team - and regardless of their health, they play fast, they work hard, and they commit to Green's systems, all which bodes well for relative consistency.

[Gaudette Celly]

1 hour ago, littledreamer said:

I like the direction, but watching the COL game, it would be 6-2 or 6-3 AVS if EP didn't exist.  He's huge.  

And how would Edmonton look if McDavid didn't exist?

[littledreamer]

I like the direction, but watching the COL game, it would be 6-2 or 6-3 AVS if EP didn't exist.  He's huge.  

[mikeyman109]

35 minutes ago, littledreamer said:

I like the direction, but watching the COL game, it would be 6-2 or 6-3 AVS if EP didn't exist.  He's huge.  

Petterson makes a big difference on offense but if Tanev and Edler and beagle and Sutter are not injured i dont believe the Avs score 6 against us.

But i agree Petey is huge for us.

[Dannydog]

10 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

And how would Edmonton look if McDavid didn't exist?

Toronto without Mathews.

[Dannydog]

3 in a row without Tanev,eddy,beagle,sutter,baer,nilsy.Time to see what  this young group has. 

[mikeyman109]

1 minute ago, Dannydog said:

3 in a row without Tanev,eddy,beagle,sutter,baer,nilsy.Time to see what  this young group has. 

I like the wins but prefer the healthy line up. They need a good mix of veterans and youth.  Horvat leading this team, Boeser and Petterson ramping it up doesnt hurt either.

But i like what Beagle and Sutter bring to the defensive side they allow Bo to play offense

Tanev and edler out doesnt help. Biega and Del Zotto looked especially vulnerable against the Avs

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I like the wins but prefer the healthy line up. They need a good mix of veterans and youth.  Horvat leading this team, Boeser and Petterson ramping it up doesnt hurt either.

But i like what Beagle and Sutter bring to the defensive side they allow Bo to play offense

Tanev and edler out doesnt help. Biega and Del Zotto looked especially vulnerable against the Avs

 

2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I like the wins but prefer the healthy line up. They need a good mix of veterans and youth.  Horvat leading this team, Boeser and Petterson ramping it up doesnt hurt either.

But i like what Beagle and Sutter bring to the defensive side they allow Bo to play offense

Tanev and edler out doesnt help. Biega and Del Zotto looked especially vulnerable against the Avs

Agreed.  Our young forwards are clearly ready to take over from the vets.  Our young D are still (mostly) developing in the minors.  We need Tanev and Edler until those young D are ready.  MDZ and Biega are placeholders, and we just don’t have young guys ready (yet) to replace them with.  

[Dannydog]

1 minute ago, mikeyman109 said:

I like the wins but prefer the healthy line up. They need a good mix of veterans and youth.  Horvat leading this team, Boeser and Petterson ramping it up doesnt hurt either.

But i like what Beagle and Sutter bring to the defensive side they allow Bo to play offense

Tanev and edler out doesnt help. Biega and Del Zotto looked especially vulnerable against the Avs

Agreed . i meant look at what they have done with the loss to those leaders as an achievement. I thought with beagle going down our PK was going to tank bigtime and then add sutter ,ouch. But no. Granny schaller motte especially bo have been great. Losing tanev and eddy gave hutty the opportunity to play 20 plus min. a game and hes a beast. love him. 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Petterson is obviously a game changer. But another big reason this rebuild has progressed so quickly is because players like Virtanen, Goldobin, and Gaudette are taking on big roles this year, and Horvat keeps getting better. You could also put the older players like Stecher and Hutton making gains as well.

[mikeyman109]

Just now, Alflives said:

 

Agreed.  Our young forwards are clearly ready to take over from the vets.  Our young D are still (mostly) developing in the minors.  We need Tanev and Edler until those young D are ready.  MDZ and Biega are placeholders, and we just don’t have young guys ready (yet) to replace them with.  

Yes I think MDZ and Biega are exactly that. No one should believe that either of them are the future of the D.

They are the most likely candidates for demotion or in MDZ case not being resigned. If Hughes, Juolevi and possibly Woo make this team next year there may be another casualty along the way as well.

I still like the vets up front in Sutter, Beagle, Rousell in that we have yet to find players that can play that shut down role other than Horvat and he is too valuable in the O zone.

Gaudette may become Kesler light. I'd like to see him score a but more though.

[mikeyman109]

1 minute ago, Sergei Shirokov said:

Petterson is obviously a game changer. But another big reason this rebuild has progressed so quickly is because players like Virtanen, Goldobin, and Gaudette are taking on big roles this year, and Horvat keeps getting better. You could also put the older players like Stecher and Hutton making gains as well.

This i think is the biggest achievement. Its one thing to draft players, its a totally different accomplishment to develop them.

Green has done a great job of managing the young talent that Benning has provided him with. If we continue on this path we should have a bright future.

[Boudrias]

Way to early for fans to assume the rebuild is done or will be successful. IMHO is still not enough depth of high end talent, especially on the d-core. I started this season as a 'tanker' assuming the young talent would not carry the team higher than a top 8 draft position. With injuries that could still be the result. 

 

What is truly stunning is the impact of a player like EP40. I thought it would take a season for him to adjust but so much for that. The obvious aside, one should also consider what his performance does for the whole roster. It has taken pressure off the d-core, goal tending, Virtanen, Mott, Goldy and Gaudette. 

 

Jim Benning has to get a lot of credit. His drafting, along with his scouts, has shone. He is building an org with what appears to be sustainable. Utica has been a huge part. I have been critical of the org in its inability to trade assets from the 2011 CUP team to restock the team more quickly. The next challenge will be re-signing much of the core with contracts that will not hamstring the org as they build a CUP contender.    

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, Sergei Shirokov said:

Petterson is obviously a game changer. But another big reason this rebuild has progressed so quickly is because players like Virtanen, Goldobin, and Gaudette are taking on big roles this year, and Horvat keeps getting better. You could also put the older players like Stecher and Hutton making gains as well.

I see Pettersson as an elite (top five in the league) number one center.  His filling that role allows Bo to play number two, where he is best suited.  I think Hughes coming in next season will do the same to our D core.  Guys will fall into their natural roles, and everyone will play with confidence, because they won’t be trying to play a role they aren’t meant for.  We are going to be a very good team, and for a long time.

[JM_]

17 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Don't think you can say that until the results of the rebuild are known.   There are certainly encouraging signs and even the trolliest of the CDC trolls have retreated to bridges for the most part but until this is a perennial playoff team, then it is not a "model" for anything.   Right now they are showing the trend is in the right direction.   Even the most diehard optimistic Canuck fan cannot claim more success than that yet.   

probably the right way to look at it, Mr. Buzzkill.

 

I do think people should buckle up for another "disappointing" trade deadline. I think the team has a chance to be close enough to a wildcard spot that there won't be any movement of big ticket players like a Sutter, Guddy, Tanev or Edler, and Gagner and Del Zotto aren't going to fetch anything. I suppose tank nation can hope for the wheels to come off in January but if the team can stay something close to healthy once the current crop of guys is back i can see a situation where no trades are made at the deadline this year. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

probably the right way to look at it, Mr. Buzzkill.

 

I do think people should buckle up for another "disappointing" trade deadline. I think the team has a chance to be close enough to a wildcard spot that there won't be any movement of big ticket players like a Sutter, Guddy, Tanev or Edler, and Gagner and Del Zotto aren't going to fetch anything. I suppose tank nation can hope for the wheels to come off in January but if the team can stay something close to healthy once the current crop of guys is back i can see a situation where no trades are made at the deadline this year. 

I agree to a point.  I think our young forwards (Gaudette) are making some vets redundant.  I could see Sutter getting moved at the TDL.  We need all our D.

[JM_]

Just now, Alflives said:

I agree to a point.  I think our young forwards (Gaudette) are making some vets redundant.  I could see Sutter getting moved at the TDL.  We need all our D.

not saying Sutter shouldn't be moved, I'd be OK with that for a great return, but if the team is competing I don't think Jim will make a move like that and undercut their chances of making the post season. 

[Googlie]

16 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

The projected core is mostly drafted 

 

1. 1C - Pettersson
2. 2C - Horvat
3. Scoring Winger - Boeser
4. Power Forward - Virtanen ?
5. Defensive Specialist - Sutter (29), Gaudette ?
6. Offensive D - Hughes ?
7. Defensive D - Juolevi ?
8. Goalie - Demko ? DiPietro ?

There are plenty of question marks still so let's not get too excited.  I would like to see some more high end D drafted and a high end LW would help

 

At this point, the rebuild is going just fine.  Given the circumstance, I don't think we should expect any better. 

 

FWIW 4 years, 5 drafts for Benning.

That's the weakest part of his game right now (defense).  He is one of the best in zone exits, and quarterbacks the PP well.  Strengths are skating, and outlet passes (and cool as ice demeanour).  Probably just a tad below QH in offensive instincts

[Rindiculous]

I said at the beginning of the season if the Canucks get off to a hot start, I will not be holding my breath until at least after Christmas.  I still stand by that, but I am enjoying the journey so far and am really glad that unlike last year we can pick up all the extra points.