Sign in to follow this  
aqua59

Edmonton Oilers 2018-2019

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

On 5/6/2019 at 9:47 AM, Monty said:

 

 

Holland is a terrific GM. 

Jim Costa of ESPN Michigan disagrees (strongly) https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/this-man-destroyed-my-hockey-team-for-a-decade-ken-holland-ripped-by-espn-sportscasters/wcm/1587c8ca-70b2-4992-8227-5ae295d666a4?fbclid=IwAR0u18zxrLNtgazbJjyb5qHctvgOw2O8fky8CwHF_93IZcdlq879z9X_FU0

Quote

“This was coming. Ken Holland was forced up and eventually forced out and it’s probably a decade too late. But this is a great day for the Detroit Red Wings… Ken Holland drove this franchise into the ground. After 2009 when they appeared in the Stanley Cup Final and lost, we have stared at a decade of incompetence. Three playoff series wins in ten years when they’ve been trying to win. Resisting a rebuild and still putting out that subpar performance, signing mediocre players to five, six and seven year deals, giving them no-trade clauses on top of it. Bought at every single deadline up until about 18 months ago, when he had no choice”...“You know who Ken Holland is?” Costa continued. “Ken Holland is a trust fund kid. Ken Holland inherited this big fortune. Ken Holland stepped in as a general manager in 1997, the Red Wings already a Stanley Cup champion. Scotty Bowman built that thing up. Jim Devellano built that thing up. European scouting ahead of its time built that thing up. He was handed the GM chair, just like a rich person hands down their fortune to their son or their daughter, who didn’t work for it, didn’t earn it but is now going to benefit from it. And Ken Holland would go on to win a Stanley Cup in ’98, when money was no object. (Owner) Chris Illitch opened up the pocketbook and they won it in ’02. Salary cap comes in the mid-2000s, they ride that to a Stanley Cup, but when it was time for Ken Holland to build on his own merits, you saw what happened to him. Trust fund kid. Everything was handed to him. When he had to work for it, the franchise crumbled.”...he inherited a team with Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom. They were able to out and sign Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille. Dominik Hasek demanded a trade to Detroit. Everything fell in Ken Holland’s lap. I mean, it would be hard to screw that up, right? But then when those guys retired and the salary cap was put in, they said, ‘Ken Holland, part of the being the GM is signing free agents, trading for players.’ What happened? I think we saw who Ken Holland really is as a general manager. When Jimmy Devellano is not there. When Jim Nill is not there. When Hakan Andersson the (Swedish) scout is gone, what happens? What happens to Ken Holland. You realize he’s not doing great.”

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, nucklehead said:

Jim Costa is an idiot, if he thinks winning the Central Division ten times, the regular-season Conference title five times, the Presidents' Trophy four times, the Stanley Cup three times, and winning more regular-season games and postseason games than any other NHL team during his span as "destroyed" hockey then he needs to take a look around the league.  The guy comes off as a spoiled 5 year old.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Jim Costa is an idiot, if he thinks winning the Central Division ten times, the regular-season Conference title five times, the Presidents' Trophy four times, the Stanley Cup three times, and winning more regular-season games and postseason games than any other NHL team during his span as "destroyed" hockey then he needs to take a look around the league.  The guy comes off as a spoiled 5 year old.  

 That can be said for any organization. Not everything stated was wrong, just too personal for me not to take it with a grain of salt.Now I fully agree that stating that Holland "destroyed" Detroit hockey is hilarious. Every GM inherits the good and the bad of the previous regime. However, over the latter part of his tenure in Detroit his record has been a joke. Detroit isn't taken seriously compared to the past. Ken Holland has been a dud of late. That doesn't mean he isn't any good. 

He's far better than anything Edmonton has had in quite some time. I'd be hard pressed to ask how much worse could things get in Edmonton. The recent management moves indicate there's a new sheriff in town.

Does he have the balls to get rid of everything Gretzky and Lowe? 

I loathe Edmonton yet I might loathe them less once the old guard and their empty wine bottles are gone.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, aqua59 said:

 That can be said for any organization. Not everything stated was wrong, just too personal for me not to take it with a grain of salt.Now I fully agree that stating that Holland "destroyed" Detroit hockey is hilarious. Every GM inherits the good and the bad of the previous regime. However, over the latter part of his tenure in Detroit his record has been a joke.

He was gm of the teams for over 22 years. In his last 10 years the team made the post season 7 times with four 100 point seasons.

 

Detroit also just entered the rebuild mode in 2017 in which he’s done a really good job supporting by acquiring assets. 

 

In 2017 the wings made 11 selections (6 picks in the top 90)

 

in 2018 the wings made 10 selections (7 in the top 90). 

 

This year he’s left the wings with another 10 selections (5 in the top 90)

 

thats more top 90 picks in his last 3 years than JB has made total since coming here. 

  • Confused 1
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

He was gm of the teams for over 22 years. In his last 10 years the team made the post season 7 times with four 100 point seasons.

 

Detroit also just entered the rebuild mode in 2017 in which he’s done a really good job supporting by acquiring assets. 

 

In 2017 the wings made 11 selections (6 picks in the top 90)

 

in 2018 the wings made 10 selections (7 in the top 90). 

 

This year he’s left the wings with another 10 selections (5 in the top 90)

 

thats more top 90 picks in his last 3 years than JB has made total since coming here. 

People crapping over Holland have no idea what they're talking about. The reason the team was backed into a corner was the playoff streak. That was important to the team and ownership, so every move revolved around keeping that going. But the moment it fell off the rails (2016-17), Holland has been doing some fantastic work at accelerating a rebuild to make up for lost time.

 

There is the amassing of picks you mentioned (wish Benning could do that). And it had nothing to do with getting star players to waive - he didn't trade Zetterberg, Kronwall, or Datsyuk (he traded the latter's contract, after he was left holding the bag, but never the player).

 

And look at his trades. He sure got the better of McPhee in that Tatar trade. And he schooled Chayka in the Datsyuk dump. I still can't figure out how he convinced Bowman to give up a 3rd for Jurco. A 2nd and a 3rd for renting out Nyquist and Brendan Smith were good returns as well, not to mention Bowey and a 2nd for Jensen and a 5th.

 

On top of all of this, Holland definitely won big in the NCAA FA market, landing both Hirose and Kuffner.

 

  • Confused 1
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/10/2019 at 1:15 PM, D-Money said:

People crapping over Holland have no idea what they're talking about. The reason the team was backed into a corner was the playoff streak. That was important to the team and ownership, so every move revolved around keeping that going. But the moment it fell off the rails (2016-17), Holland has been doing some fantastic work at accelerating a rebuild to make up for lost time.

 

There is the amassing of picks you mentioned (wish Benning could do that). And it had nothing to do with getting star players to waive - he didn't trade Zetterberg, Kronwall, or Datsyuk (he traded the latter's contract, after he was left holding the bag, but never the player).

 

And look at his trades. He sure got the better of McPhee in that Tatar trade. And he schooled Chayka in the Datsyuk dump. I still can't figure out how he convinced Bowman to give up a 3rd for Jurco. A 2nd and a 3rd for renting out Nyquist and Brendan Smith were good returns as well, not to mention Bowey and a 2nd for Jensen and a 5th.

 

On top of all of this, Holland definitely won big in the NCAA FA market, landing both Hirose and Kuffner.

 

Well I'm laughing at holland now there's rumors of swapping Lucic and Jesse Puljujärvi for Eriksson. We get two $hit guys for our one $hit guy. Nice try Ken . 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Jesse Puljujärvi? This guy and his agent seem to want a change but can't get traction on a move out of Edmonton. I'm looking at the moves made by Edmonton

over the last month and I think the most significant aoves come at the front office. 

Past that this group  still seems the $hits. Which makes me happy. 

I look forward to Vancouver pounding Edmonton every time they play.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/10/2019 at 8:26 AM, aqua59 said:

Jesse Puljujärvi? This guy and his agent seem to want a change but can't get traction on a move out of Edmonton. I'm looking at the moves made by Edmonton

over the last month and I think the most significant aoves come at the front office. 

Past that this group  still seems the $hits. Which makes me happy. 

I look forward to Vancouver pounding Edmonton every time they play.  

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/rumor-trade-between-the-oilers-and-canucks-was-blocked-by-a-player?fbclid=IwAR34xE0P6l6H0BZr_90uwL_FTDdSY3v_hUMcc0Ruk69s2rPKlQ8o0nlkblw

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, aqua59 said:
Quote

"Fans in Vancouver who were terrified at the thought of Lucic becoming a Canuck will no doubt be grateful to Eriksson for blocking the trade."

 

  • Upvote 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

McDavid will be a UFA by the time the OIlers assemble an NHL caliber lineup around him.  Still think he's smart enough to see that and demand a trade out of that cesspool by the end of next season.  Quebec has better odds of winning a Stanley Cup by 2030 than Edmonton.

Edited by King Heffy
  • Hydration 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In all fairness to Holland he's only been on the job for a few months but the optics have Edmonton taking a step backwards. 

What have they gained with the Lucic Neil swap? 

What have they gained in getting the well aged Mike Smith in goal? 

The moves to shore up the back end are moot.

So far its tough to argue they are better. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just read the article regarding the Neil for Lucic trade. My question is what does Edmonton really get in Neil? Writers don't really talk about that they just state things regarding what Lucic will be bringing to Calgary. 

What about Neil? he was awful last year, barely noticed him. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, aqua59 said:

I just read the article regarding the Neil for Lucic trade. My question is what does Edmonton really get in Neil? Writers don't really talk about that they just state things regarding what Lucic will be bringing to Calgary. 

What about Neil? he was awful last year, barely noticed him. 

IMO, more potential.  Looch has shown more of a decline than Neal, so it seems easier to speculate that Neal just had an off year.  He's a big guy who had two long seasons (Cup finals both times) prior to Flaming out last year. 

 

Who knows, Flaming out in the first round might have helped him a lot this coming season.  It would be great to see CalgaryPuck meltdown should he succeed, at least.

 

Unless there was some agreement for Lucic to waive his NMC at some point, I think Oilers got the better deal at this point.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/29/2019 at 7:36 AM, Kragar said:

IMO, more potential.  Looch has shown more of a decline than Neal, so it seems easier to speculate that Neal just had an off year.  He's a big guy who had two long seasons (Cup finals both times) prior to Flaming out last year. 

 

Who knows, Flaming out in the first round might have helped him a lot this coming season.  It would be great to see CalgaryPuck meltdown should he succeed, at least.

 

Unless there was some agreement for Lucic to waive his NMC at some point, I think Oilers got the better deal at this point.

I hope both flop simply because it's Calgary and Edmonton. 

  • Hydration 1
  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/31/2019 at 7:38 AM, aqua59 said:

I hope both flop simply because it's Calgary and Edmonton. 

I'll ask, what is Neil going to bring to the lame ass Oilers?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On August 3, 2019 at 11:08 AM, aqua59 said:

I'll ask, what is Neil going to bring to the lame ass Oilers?

Nothing cause I think Neil retired lol....Neal on the other hand has shown he can score goals and could fit on the second line with Nuge cause his a play making center. 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/5/2019 at 12:03 PM, RowdyCanuck said:

Nothing cause I think Neil retired lol....Neal on the other hand has shown he can score goals and could fit on the second line with Nuge cause his a play making center. 

You are correct :) my spelling falls short again. 

  • Hydration 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.