[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at New York Islanders | Nov. 13, 2018

[CanucksJay]

3 minutes ago, Riviera82 said:

Yeeeess, indeed. Marky, with his sparkling 3.28 GAA and .896 Sv%. Where would we be without him and not an actual average starting netminder?...

 

Sorry about the sarcasm, no offence intended. We see things on opposite ends of the spectrum though. Today I saw Markstrom get beaten 5 times, again. That's cool when we're scoring 6 or more but we dont have a chance most of the time that way. Markstrom has started 14 games now and this was the sixth time he's allowed 5 or more goals. I know the defense isn't very good and we have key injuries, but I cant understand giving Markstrom credit for the Canucks not being frakked. Now that the scoring is drying up we're starting down the road to being just that. Frakked.

Markstrom is tough to figure out. He makes some crazy saves that are for sure goals and then lets in a softy. 

[*Buzzsaw*]

#1 Problem:   Bo is burnt out from having all the defensive workload shoveled on top on him.  He has no jump offensively.  It was very obvious he was dragging his butt in his breakouts and also in his backchecks.  Green is making a rookie coaching error in putting too much of the workload on his star player.  Without a Bo with jump, one of the key offensive elements we have left is gone.  The fact he is burnt out is also affecting his faceoff percentage.

 

#2 Problem:  The league now knows to key on Pettersson... he is getting no room... and without creative players to complement him and challenge the opposition, he is forced to try to do it on his own... its not working.  Don't get me wrong... he made several plays which could have resulted in goals... he did get off a one timer... (without his usual zip) and he is still working hard, but he is also getting frustrated.  He made several uncharacteristic mistakes.

 

#3 Problem:  It was a rookie coaching error for Green to play Markstrom back to back.... Markstrom is burnt out.  The first two goals showed that.  The decision to play Marky almost resulted in him going down with an injury... I am hoping his right knee doesn't become a problem after the game.  The fact is, Green should be thinking longterm... Markstrom is his #1 goalie and the NYI game was meaningless in the context the entire season and the necessity to keep the #1 Goalie healthy.  Green should have rested Markstrom and played Bachman... I think a fired up Bachman would have given just as good an effort as Marky.  Even if he didn't... it's just a loss in a rebuilding year... no big deal.

 

#4 Problem:   Goldobin needs to sit on the bench for a game or two.  I was hoping he would play better after last game's goal... but he played worse.  The second goal was a direct result of him watching the Islander player glide past him and doing nothing.  Put Gaunce in.  That would give the team another defensive centerman who is not too bad at faceoffs and who can take some of Horvat's defensive workload.  The team needs to tighten up and Gaunce is a proven defensive player.

 

Overall the worst game of the season... but there is a reason... the huge number of injuries to key players are finally sapping the life out of the team.

[lmm]

3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Are all NHL referees useless? I've never seen such utter incompetence from an entire league's officiating personnel. How these losers hold down a job is beyond me. 

they phone toronto

toronto deems that not a kick

people around the league really need to start mocking the league

but by tomorrow it will all be forgotten

Kind of funny they had Keith Oberman on, who was so willing to take on Tom Sestito a few yaars back, I'd like to hear him chime in on the refs/ TO on that call, but at the end of the day his team won, so all is right with the world

[CanucksJay]

4 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

#1 Problem:   Bo is burnt out from having all the defensive workload shoveled on top on him.  He has no jump offensively.  It was very obvious he was dragging his butt in his breakouts and also in his backchecks.  Green is making a rookie coaching error in putting too much of the workload on his star player.  Without a Bo with jump, one of the key offensive elements we have left is gone.  The fact he is burnt out is also affecting his faceoff percentage.

 

#2 Problem:  The league now knows to key on Pettersson... he is getting no room... and without creative players to complement him and challenge the opposition, he is forced to try to do it on his own... its not working.  Don't get me wrong... he made several plays which could have resulted in goals... he did get off a one timer... (without his usual zip) and he is still working hard, but he is also getting frustrated.  He made several uncharacteristic mistakes.

 

#3 Problem:  It was a rookie coaching error for Green to play Markstrom back to back.... Markstrom is burnt out.  The first two goals showed that.  The decision to play Marky almost resulted in him going down with an injury... I am hoping his right knee doesn't become a problem after the game.  The fact is, Green should be thinking longterm... Markstrom is his #1 goalie and the NYI game was meaningless in the context the entire season and the necessity to keep the #1 Goalie healthy.  Green should have rested Markstrom and played Bachman... I think a fired up Bachman would have given just as good an effort as Marky.  Even if he didn't... it's just a loss in a rebuilding year... no big deal.

 

#4 Problem:   Goldobin needs to sit on the bench for a game or two.  I was hoping he would play better after last game's goal... but he played worse.  The second goal was a direct result of him watching the Islander player glide past him and doing nothing.  Put Gaunce in.  That would give the team another defensive centerman who is not too bad at faceoffs and who can take some of Horvat's defensive workload.  The team needs to tighten up and Gaunce is a proven defensive player.

 

Overall the worst game of the season... but there is a reason... the huge number of injuries to key players are finally sapping the life out of the team.

Well said. I agree with every point

[spook007]

2 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

#1 Problem:   Bo is burnt out from having all the defensive workload shoveled on top on him.  He has no jump offensively.  It was very obvious he was dragging his butt in his breakouts and also in his backchecks.  Green is making a rookie coaching error in putting too much of the workload on his star player.  Without a Bo with jump, one of the key offensive elements we have left is gone.  The fact he is burnt out is also affecting his faceoff percentage.

 

#2 Problem:  The league now knows to key on Pettersson... he is getting no room... and without creative players to complement him and challenge the opposition, he is forced to try to do it on his own... its not working.  Don't get me wrong... he made several plays which could have resulted in goals... he did get off a one timer... (without his usual zip) and he is still working hard, but he is also getting frustrated.  He made several uncharacteristic mistakes.

 

#3 Problem:  It was a rookie coaching error for Green to play Markstrom back to back.... Markstrom is burnt out.  The first two goals showed that.  The decision to play Marky almost resulted in him going down with an injury... I am hoping his right knee doesn't become a problem after the game.  The fact is, Green should be thinking longterm... Markstrom is his #1 goalie and the NYI game was meaningless in the context the entire season and the necessity to keep the #1 Goalie healthy.  Green should have rested Markstrom and played Bachman... I think a fired up Bachman would have given just as good an effort as Marky.  Even if he didn't... it's just a loss in a rebuilding year... no big deal.

 

#4 Problem:   Goldobin needs to sit on the bench for a game or two.  I was hoping he would play better after last game's goal... but he played worse.  The second goal was a direct result of him watching the Islander player glide past him and doing nothing.  Put Gaunce in.  That would give the team another defensive centerman who is not too bad at faceoffs and who can take some of Horvat's defensive workload.  The team needs to tighten up and Gaunce is a proven defensive player.

 

Overall the worst game of the season... but there is a reason... the huge number of injuries to key players are finally sapping the life out of the team.

Agree totally on Pettersson, but could Pettersson being slightly off also have something to do with the amount of games being played starting to take its toll on him?

Games at least every other night across the country, hotels etc etc... I'm not sure, but I don't think their schedule is anywhere near as hectic in Sweden, so he may improve once they get back to Vancouver again.

But yeah, he will start to become frustrated...

[*Buzzsaw*]

Oh yeah, on subjects not to do with the Canucks directly....

 

-  Mathew Barzal is some kind of player.  He will be another Patrick Kane in a couple years.  In fact, I think John Tavares might have scored more goals if he stayed in NYI with Barzal setting him up.

 

-  The NHL are a complete bunch of hypocrites... the 4th goal was clearly kicked in... but obviously it is more important to help the Islanders who are struggling financially than it is to have an honest ruling.  COMPLETELY BOGUS.

[Dr. Crossbar]

7 minutes ago, Riviera82 said:

Yeeeess, indeed. Marky, with his sparkling 3.28 GAA and .896 Sv%. Where would we be without him and not an actual average starting netminder?...

 

Sorry about the sarcasm, no offence intended. We see things on opposite ends of the spectrum though. Today I saw Markstrom get beaten 5 times, again. That's cool when we're scoring 6 or more but we dont have a chance most of the time that way. Markstrom has started 14 games now and this was the sixth time he's allowed 5 or more goals. I know the defense isn't very good and we have key injuries, but I cant understand giving Markstrom credit for the Canucks not being frakked. Now that the scoring is drying up we're starting down the road to being just that. Frakked.

I was more making a point of Pettersson not being the saviour in recent games by putting the focus on Markstrom as the saviour tonight. It wasn't meant to be so literal.

 

With all the Pettersson - Gretzky hype, I was trying something different via commenting about Markstrom.

 

The more I post, the more I just need to say... #1 Canucks.

[*Buzzsaw*]

4 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Agree totally on Pettersson, but could Pettersson being slightly off also have something to do with the amount of games being played starting to take its toll on him?

Games at least every other night across the country, hotels etc etc... I'm not sure, but I don't think their schedule is anywhere near as hectic in Sweden, so he may improve once they get back to Vancouver again.

But yeah, he will start to become frustrated...

Absolutely... happens to every rookie who comes into the NHL... unless you are Ovechkin or Crosby and built like a tank.

 

That is part of it... But I think the key element is the lack of complimentary wingers and the fact the 1/2 defense pair from the opposition are playing against him most of the time.

[Canuck Surfer]

4 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

Jake with his 8th of the year, 6 shots on the night, 2 hits in 17:32 ice time. Pretty good game for Jake. Plus 2 goals away from team lead. 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Team is tired and injured. 

 

Another good effort by the boys.  

 

No complaints. This team is playing as hard as they could.  No surprise they lost. Good effort.  

 

4 hours ago, Darius said:

at the start of the season who would have taken a .500 record at this point knowing the schedule maker handed them 7 home games 14 road games (including Thurs) Edler, Boeser, Pettersson, Sutter, Beagle, Baertschi out for 5+ games?

 

Boys will come home and hopefully put in some good performances.

 

 

I'd like to take a moment to thank you 3 guys.  Each found a good way to take the positive about our situation in the thread.  Gameday threads like, even after a loss, are encouraging.  

 

I love Jakes productions, thanks Always a Canuck fan. It did not strike me, how well we had done considering twice as many road games as home. And the injuries which I did know about it.  I might be wrong? I thought you were hard on the team in years past WHL Rocks?  I was pumped when I read your post.

 

I'm proud of what we accomplished so far as well! 

[*Buzzsaw*]

Jake is definitely one of the remaining bright spots in the team...  he has lots of energy and confidence.  He is shooting the puck well and getting himself in the right positions.

 

Only thing I would like to see... for him not to let Gudbranson do his fighting for him... would like to see him drop the gloves and go.

 

If he could win a fight I think the confidence that would give him might put him over the top.

[mll]

13 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Agree totally on Pettersson, but could Pettersson being slightly off also have something to do with the amount of games being played starting to take its toll on him?

Games at least every other night across the country, hotels etc etc... I'm not sure, but I don't think their schedule is anywhere near as hectic in Sweden, so he may improve once they get back to Vancouver again.

But yeah, he will start to become frustrated...

Minutes played too and intensity of the game.  Pettersson was playing slightly above 16min in Sweden - 16:17 in the regular season and just under 16 min in the post-season. Against Colorado and Detroit he played over 22 minutes,  vs Buffalo over 24 minutes.  Since his return from injury - he has averaged 19:40 per game. 

 

[Canuck Surfer]

22 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

#1 Problem:   Bo is burnt out from having all the defensive workload shoveled on top on him.  He has no jump offensively.  It was very obvious he was dragging his butt in his breakouts and also in his backchecks.  Green is making a rookie coaching error in putting too much of the workload on his star player.  Without a Bo with jump, one of the key offensive elements we have left is gone.  The fact he is burnt out is also affecting his faceoff percentage.

 

#2 Problem:  The league now knows to key on Pettersson... he is getting no room... and without creative players to complement him and challenge the opposition, he is forced to try to do it on his own... its not working.  Don't get me wrong... he made several plays which could have resulted in goals... he did get off a one timer... (without his usual zip) and he is still working hard, but he is also getting frustrated.  He made several uncharacteristic mistakes.

 

#3 Problem:  It was a rookie coaching error for Green to play Markstrom back to back.... Markstrom is burnt out.  The first two goals showed that.  The decision to play Marky almost resulted in him going down with an injury... I am hoping his right knee doesn't become a problem after the game.  The fact is, Green should be thinking longterm... Markstrom is his #1 goalie and the NYI game was meaningless in the context the entire season and the necessity to keep the #1 Goalie healthy.  Green should have rested Markstrom and played Bachman... I think a fired up Bachman would have given just as good an effort as Marky.  Even if he didn't... it's just a loss in a rebuilding year... no big deal.

 

#4 Problem:   Goldobin needs to sit on the bench for a game or two.  I was hoping he would play better after last game's goal... but he played worse.  The second goal was a direct result of him watching the Islander player glide past him and doing nothing.  Put Gaunce in.  That would give the team another defensive centerman who is not too bad at faceoffs and who can take some of Horvat's defensive workload.  The team needs to tighten up and Gaunce is a proven defensive player.

 

Overall the worst game of the season... but there is a reason... the huge number of injuries to key players are finally sapping the life out of the team.

Just putting it out there? 

 

What would you do, start Bachman?

 

Give D zone draws to Gaunce & Gaudette with Sutter &  Beagle out?  Pettersson??  I think Bo might be tired, at the end of long road trip tagging the matchups. But he's a big boy. This is his 5th year. It is exactly time to put a load on him. Where it would have been better had it been possible we could have sheltered him his second year.

 

Oh wait, call up McEwen?

 

Nap, Bo has 17 points in 20 games.  His team solidly in playoff position, 4th in the West while they shelter younger guys on his back.   

 

Goldobin?  Leipsic played 19 minutes. Jake 17. He also had power play time. There was a switch up in minutes allocated. You missed it.

 

 

Be a fan and enjoy the game.

[*Buzzsaw*]

4 minutes ago, mll said:

Minutes played too and intensity of the game.  Pettersson was playing slightly above 16min in Sweden - 16:17 in the regular season and just under 16 min in the post-season. Against Colorado and Detroit he played over 22 minutes,  vs Buffalo over 24 minutes.  Since his return from injury - he has averaged 19:40 per game. 

 

And the NHL plays its games on smaller rinks where there is more body contact and Pettersson gets hit more.

 

Adds up after a while... wear and tear on a young kid.

 

Young muscles are great on the fast firing aspect.... for quick changes of direction and quick reactions... but they do not have the endurance of old muscles.

[the_impersonator13]

4 hours ago, CupIsComing said:

I watched most of the MSG Network feed...my observations as pertains to the Canucks.

Play-by-Play: Brendan Burke, Colour: Butch Goring

In the pregame intro they feature Pettersson and reward him an ad/feature "Peak Performer" award and point out his prowess not only as a playmaker and scorer but as a 2-way player.

 

 

1st period: Mentioned Canucks succeeding despite injuries, coach Green has got them working well. Extensive piece around Green pitching Pettersson in the summer to plan on being a centre and executing that plan when he arrived. He won "every award there is "in the SHL last year. Something special to watch, #40 on the ice. Burke : "Archibald is the most physical presence on the Canucks roster". 

 

2nd period: I missed the first 5 minutes (and the Virtanen goal). Afterwards they recognize Horvat as a face off workhorse ...(#1 in league total)... and a FO specialist. Later Burke says Pettersson has "taken the NHL by storm". 

3rd period: No real conversation around the Canucks. Burke took real exception to the penalty against Clutterbuck for his "scuffle" against Gubrandson.

Overall: Technically Burke and Goring were actually real good. As well they treated Canucks fairly and there was nothing ill spoken of the Canucks. 

Good to hear. Butch Goring is actually my friends uncle. Met him at her wedding about 10 years ago and had a beer and heard some pretty awesome old hockey stories about his days with the Kings and Isles. Had his Cup ring with him which was pretty sweet. Had a chuckle on how the hockey hall of fame wanted his Jofa Snaps helmet and he told them no. Very down to earth and friendly guy. 

[*Buzzsaw*]

8 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Just putting it out there? 

 

What would you do, start Bachman?

 

Give D zone draws to Gaunce & Gaudette with Sutter &  Beagle out?  Pettersson??  I think Bo might be tired, at the end of long road trip tagging the matchups. But he's a big boy. This is his 5th year. It is exactly time to put a load on him. Where it would have been better had it been possible we could have sheltered him his second year.

 

Oh wait, call up McEwen?

 

Nap, Bo has 17 points in 20 games.  His team solidly in playoff position, 4th in the West while they shelter younger guys on his back.   

 

Goldobin?  Leipsic played 19 minutes. Jake 17. He also had power play time. There was a switch up in minutes allocated. You missed it.

 

 

Be a fan and enjoy the game.

Yes, I would have started Bachman... in fact I would have started him in NYR to give Marky some extra rest.... start Markstrom in NYI 3 days after Buffalo.

 

And I would have sat Goldy for NYI and started Gaunce at center on the checking line... put Granlund on Pettersson's line on the wing to replace Goldy.

 

Gaunce would take half the D zone faceoffs and reduce the load on Horvat.

 

And by the way... I do enjoy the game... but I would hate to see Bo or Marky get injured from being played too much... that would really scr*w the season.

 

Remember what happened last year when Bo got injured?

 

 

 

 

[Canuck Surfer]

6 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Yes, I would have started Bachman... in fact I would have started him in NYR to give Marky some extra rest.... start Markstrom in NYI 3 days after Buffalo.

 

And I would have sat Goldy for NYI and started Gaunce at center on the checking line... put Granlund on Pettersson's line on the wing to replace Goldy.

 

Gaunce would take half the D zone faceoffs and reduce the load on Horvat.

 

And by the way... I do enjoy the game... but I would hate to see Bo or Marky get injured from being played too much... that would really scr*w the season.

 

Remember what happened last year when Bo got injured?

 

 

 

 

I'm glad you enjoy it.  It did not sound it.

 

Bo is 23, 220 lbs, fast and fighting fit. There is no better time to ride his energy. It made him a champion in junior. A dog with bite instead of bark. It will teach him how to put a team on his back when we truly need it.   

 

Marky? Maybe I agree to a point. Its also time for him to be a starter. Or not? I'm going to get behind him & hope he takes it on!

 

 

We invested in plenty of support this year. And better support.  I like all of Beagle, Schaller & Roussell. These guys are dragging guys like Eriksson back to being a competitor. He's played well the last 2 weeks suddenly? So has Jake, so has Hutton, Guddy & even Pouliot. All competing hard! But as injuries happen? Challenge these guys to compete as they would have to in a 7 game playoff series. Eat, or be eaten! That's what builds the team.

 

We either rise with them taking on that challenge?

 

Or with Jack Hughes if they don't.  

 

I'll cheer for them whichever way it lands. 

[lmm]

1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

NHL officiating staff suck the balls that the ballsuckers refuse. 

how about that Guentzel goal in NJ tonight?

hahahaha the NHL is a laughing stock

[canuck73_3]

4 minutes ago, lmm said:

how about that Guentzel goal in NJ tonight?

hahahaha the NHL is a laughing stock

The homerism on the Penguins broadcast is so bad too. This is good clean hard goal. 

 

No, Crosby clearly kicked Kinkaid’s legs out from under him. 

[lmm]

42 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Yes, I would have started Bachman... in fact I would have started him in NYR to give Marky some extra rest.... start Markstrom in NYI 3 days after Buffalo.

 

And I would have sat Goldy for NYI and started Gaunce at center on the checking line... put Granlund on Pettersson's line on the wing to replace Goldy.

 

Gaunce would take half the D zone faceoffs and reduce the load on Horvat.

 

And by the way... I do enjoy the game... but I would hate to see Bo or Marky get injured from being played too much... that would really scr*w the season.

 

Remember what happened last year when Bo got injured?

 

 

 

 

I agree except I would have played Gaunce in place of Liepsic... and without Leiper we'd have had 0 goals

But seriously, when you are the busiest team in the league, you need to use your bench.

Gaunce could sub in for Gaudtte, Leipsic, Goldy Motte, Archieven Petey because he looks tired

Biega could sub for Pouliot, Stecher or DelZ

and Bachman could play a game for Markstrom because he too looks tired

and every player that comes out would come back better

[lmm]

11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

The homerism on the Penguins broadcast is so bad too. This is good clean hard goal. 

 

No, Crosby clearly kicked Kinkaid’s legs out from under him. 

Butbut but it was our league hero!!!!!!!

 

people really need to mock this bush league