Rollieo Del Fuego Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: What is "rushing" a young player? In what way does putting the weight of the team on their shoulders help? The Sedins were holding up the team and sheltering Horvat from the pressure applied by over zealous fans that now actually believe this is a winning team and expect the early season play will continue. Should Pettersson be playing over 18 1/2 minutes a game so soon? Even Horvat wasn't getting that his first 3 years and Elias hasn't played an 82 game NHL schedule yet, he is bound to tire. I posted last years stats not as a negative but a reality check. The other 2 years 2015 - 22 gms - 8 W - 14 L - 22 pts, 64 GF - 60 GA 2016 - 22 gms - 9 W - 13 L - 20 pts, 49 GF - 66 GA They are doing just fine but they should dial back EP a bit. You got the highlighted backwards....Horvat was holding up the team and the Sedins ( except for the last 10 games of the season when the Sedins turned it on)... The Sedins were a turnover factory for the first half or 2/3rds of the season...they were making Edleresque pinches that never worked and were good for giving up at least 2 odd man rushes per game...and they were not scoring... Horvat and Brock were the reason we were winning until Dec.,... Horvat is playing too much the last few games ...I will give you that but anything under 20 minutes for EP is fine...because of the way he is deployed....offensive zone FO's, the PP and he is always the 3rd man high ...so he doesn't have to be mucking it up in the corners, he is the high guy, keeping the pucks in the zone and trying to get our other kids and Dull Zonedout to hit the net when he sets them up...time after time... What EP will be needing is not less ice time but a counsellor to help ease the pain of having no one to pass the puck too if Brock and Baer are out of the lineup. The rest of the kids are going to continue to surprise some people...Jake is on his way, Gaudette is soon to break out.... Motte and Liepsic are starting to adjust and soon we will have Joulevi, MacEwen and Dahlen in the lineup. We are without Beagle, Suter, Edler, Baer, Brock, Nillson and Demko is soon to come ... We have been wanting the kids to play because they can...and they are showing that...4 game losing streak aside. We are a playoff contending team and with any luck on the injury front from here on ...we may be a playoff team come April...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: You got the highlighted backwards....Horvat was holding up the team and the Sedins ( except for the last 10 games of the season when the Sedins turned it on)... Was referring to the media and having to comment about the 150+ losses the last 3 years. 10 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Horvat is playing too much the last few games ...I will give you that but anything under 20 minutes for EP is fine...because of the way he is deployed....offensive zone FO's, the PP and he is always the 3rd man high ...so he doesn't have to be mucking it up in the corners, he is the high guy, keeping the pucks in the zone and trying to get our other kids and Dull Zonedout to hit the net when he sets them up...time after time... My thought was not about skill, just he has never had to play 82 NHL games with all the changes in the time zones, air travel, condensed and back to back games. For all NHL rookies comments about them winding down late in the season is not uncommon. He isn't carrying alot of extra weight either and most players do lose weight during the season and even more in playoffs. 14 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: What EP will be needing is not less ice time but a counsellor to help ease the pain of having no one to pass the puck too if Brock and Baer are out of the lineup. The rest of the kids are going to continue to surprise some people...Jake is on his way, Gaudette is soon to break out.... Motte and Liepsic are starting to adjust and soon we will have Joulevi, MacEwen and Dahlen in the lineup. Baer wasn't a factor at all. Motte and Leipsic, the latter more so, are showing that they can't supplant most of the forwards on the team, Leipsic is a player that others have to play with is he better than Dahlen? Motte can compete with Granlund at least as a defensive specialist. I would like to see MacEwen up here kind of be nice to see a large forward beside Archibald. 21 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: We are without Beagle, Suter, Edler, Baer, Brock, Nillson and Demko is soon to come ... We have been wanting the kids to play because they can...and they are showing that...4 game losing streak aside. We are a playoff contending team and with any luck on the injury front from here on ...we may be a playoff team come April...! Every team every year can state that at the front end of the season when the standings are tight, the tighter they are allows this conversation, many use US thanksgiving day as the 80% stat for playoff bound teams, as fans become more aware of this the more "game management" creeps into games, late game penalties, strange non calls or possible contentious goals for or against. I have always waited until the last few days of November and the first 5 or 6 days of December, better stats then. Half the teams make the playoff, 3 out of 8 teams in each division so with ANA aging out LA that leaves 3 of 6 teams and third could be a sub .500 team. Would making the playoffs with this group be that beneficial? Is this the group to build upon or are more and younger assets/prospect needed yet? Last year the media predicted the team to be really bad, at this time last year the forum was pretty similar to this season, posters believing in a playoff spot, the last 5 years injuries have carried a burden of a reason for losses, any reason for that to change this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 19 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Last year on this date the Nucks had 19 gms - 9 W - 10 L, 20 pts 48 GF - 53 GA this year on this date not counting the game later today 21 gms - 10 W - 11 L, 22 pts. 65 GF - 75 GA For future reference last season at 22 games, 11 W - 11 L, 24 pts, 65 GF - 65 GA. Now lets stop putting so much pressure on the kids. Huge difference this year though... We are finally starting to see the future for real. So impressed about the youngsters this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, spook007 said: Huge difference this year though... We are finally starting to see the future for real. So impressed about the youngsters this year. Apart from EP, BB, and JV, which youngsters? BH I guess but he does have 4 years pro already. Gaudette, 16gms - 3 pts? He is a fill in until Beagle returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Apart from EP, BB, and JV, which youngsters? BH I guess but he does have 4 years pro already. Gaudette, 16gms - 3 pts? He is a fill in until Beagle returns. Rebuilding.... rebuilding...rebuilding... Out of the remaining Goldy, Leipsic, Motte, Hutton, Stecher I think its possible to find 1 or 2 who pass the mark as doing good, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, spook007 said: Rebuilding.... rebuilding...rebuilding... Out of the remaining Goldy, Leipsic, Motte, Hutton, Stecher I think its possible to find 1 or 2 who pass the mark as doing good, don't you? It is tough to judge on this team. Playing on a good team these players are more along the lines of complimentary players. They don't drive the play or at least not with any consistency. Look at the improvement in Goldy's play when playing with EP, BB or BH, he can feed off their ability and his game steps up. I rank Goldy ahead of Sven. Leipsic just has too many areas of concern, he doesn't play with others, they have to play with him, he tries to drive but his size and erratic decisions make him a liability, lots of "try" just not much getting the job done. Stecher is somewhat in the same classification as Leipsic but for his position size/strength is really hurting, Green has dmen playing as rovers which he can do but he isn't winning enough board battles in his own zone or scoring enough as a rover. Again running at 120% Motte found a niche and can play it he, like Granlund, don't need to feed off other players but they aren't depended upon for scoring. Hutton, crazy legs, IMO right now he is playing 3+ minutes too much, none of the dmen, for all the rushing the puck are scoring enough, Hutton still has potential in a more structured defence system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/15/2018 at 9:23 AM, PONCHE said: I enjoyed that it was someone from the outside looking in, and i liked that the entire discussion took place while omitting the impact of some fairly signifficant pieces (horvat, virtanenen) Yah, forgot about Bo Horvat, but this video was also made just before Virtanen went on his recent goal scoring streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: It is tough to judge on this team. Playing on a good team these players are more along the lines of complimentary players. They don't drive the play or at least not with any consistency. Look at the improvement in Goldy's play when playing with EP, BB or BH, he can feed off their ability and his game steps up. I rank Goldy ahead of Sven. Leipsic just has too many areas of concern, he doesn't play with others, they have to play with him, he tries to drive but his size and erratic decisions make him a liability, lots of "try" just not much getting the job done. Stecher is somewhat in the same classification as Leipsic but for his position size/strength is really hurting, Green has dmen playing as rovers which he can do but he isn't winning enough board battles in his own zone or scoring enough as a rover. Again running at 120% Motte found a niche and can play it he, like Granlund, don't need to feed off other players but they aren't depended upon for scoring. Hutton, crazy legs, IMO right now he is playing 3+ minutes too much, none of the dmen, for all the rushing the puck are scoring enough, Hutton still has potential in a more structured defence system. On a good team... and thats just it. This a rebuilding team missing its best players. Once they are back at least 3 or 4 of the mentioned will go back to develop further. Again the difference from last year is that some of the players were for sure not going to improve, where as most of the players we look at now, have the potential to do so. Will they? You guess is as good as mine, but its hard to gauge when 3rd and 4th liners are playing in top 2 line positions. It actually is quite remarkable that they’ve done this well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, spook007 said: It actually is quite remarkable that they’ve done this well... The number of games played make it look better, IMO right now they are trending towards 27th no big deal though as this is a team in rebuild. I am concerned about Jack Hughes crowned as the best already, I would have liked to see improvement, concern that he has peaked or the class is not very strong. 2020 draft class is getting more attention than 2019. IMO the players from the 2020 draft take the team OVER the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 20 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Was referring to the media and having to comment about the 150+ losses the last 3 years. My thought was not about skill, just he has never had to play 82 NHL games with all the changes in the time zones, air travel, condensed and back to back games. For all NHL rookies comments about them winding down late in the season is not uncommon. He isn't carrying alot of extra weight either and most players do lose weight during the season and even more in playoffs. Baer wasn't a factor at all. Motte and Leipsic, the latter more so, are showing that they can't supplant most of the forwards on the team, Leipsic is a player that others have to play with is he better than Dahlen? Motte can compete with Granlund at least as a defensive specialist. I would like to see MacEwen up here kind of be nice to see a large forward beside Archibald. Every team every year can state that at the front end of the season when the standings are tight, the tighter they are allows this conversation, many use US thanksgiving day as the 80% stat for playoff bound teams, as fans become more aware of this the more "game management" creeps into games, late game penalties, strange non calls or possible contentious goals for or against. I have always waited until the last few days of November and the first 5 or 6 days of December, better stats then. Half the teams make the playoff, 3 out of 8 teams in each division so with ANA aging out LA that leaves 3 of 6 teams and third could be a sub .500 team. Would making the playoffs with this group be that beneficial? Is this the group to build upon or are more and younger assets/prospect needed yet? Last year the media predicted the team to be really bad, at this time last year the forum was pretty similar to this season, posters believing in a playoff spot, the last 5 years injuries have carried a burden of a reason for losses, any reason for that to change this season? Yes...Yes...and Yes...making the playoffs is always beneficial...period....we need more youth yet, but some are in Utica, Gaudette is here and we can pick up some more this year from the middle of the first/second rounds..... ...and finally ....the only thing that remains the same is Bettman's Ref.s calling it for the US teams first, Eastern teams second and anybody but us third....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: The number of games played make it look better, IMO right now they are trending towards 27th no big deal though as this is a team in rebuild. I am concerned about Jack Hughes crowned as the best already, I would have liked to see improvement, concern that he has peaked or the class is not very strong. 2020 draft class is getting more attention than 2019. IMO the players from the 2020 draft take the team OVER the top. Like what you say... its no big deal... lets see where we are once they all get healthy again. I still believe there is more than a heart beat to this team. We are not contending anything and playoff would be beyond our wildest expectations, so lets just enjoy the ride... itsmore fun than the one last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogersTowell Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Team is performing pretty much within the expectations I had at the outset of the season (predicting between 14th and 24th finish). A bit over performing for the first 15 games, but that has happened regularly the last few years. Considering the injury situation, things are going great. We need guys like Boeser and Edler back on the ice to start getting back in the W column more often (and Boeser healthy and playing to his potential). The team is doing a great job making sure the guys on IR are healed up before putting them back in and that's better for the long term. This isn't a cup run year even if there are no further injuries. Some times I wonder if these injuries aren't really part of a stealth tank. Pettersson can play the minutes and so can Bo. When some more real players get off IR to support them, the team will get back to form. Stecher is doing great. His compete level is off the chart and he reads plays well. His pinches are well timed. Hutton is a much better player than last year. There's a lot more to his game - battles along boards, passes out of the zone, skating up, joining the rush and even some smart point shots. Pouliot is the one I'm not sold on. He can move the puck up the ice, but he's too slow thinking things through on the PP and is prone to give aways. Maybe he'll develop, but I think Juolevi will have his spot by next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire_Spiky Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Not a bad video, definitely gives hope for the future and really makes your wish our current lineup was healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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