Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'm no fan of the Maple Leaves..but some of us like to play armchair GM. So I ask the question..Would it be wise to deal this guy now(Everest peak value)? Consider: - Their coming cap-crunch, & Matthews has had injuries - Tavares has meshed so well with Marner - Matthews potential value in US markets - Ability to transfer their fwd wealth, into D-man depth - Still can add Nylander, in addition to haul from Matthews trade - They'll have to PAY AM 11 or 12 mill, next summer TOR: Matthews, 1 more player(Holl, Leivo, A Johnsson or Lindholm..basically a 1 mill $ contract) Trade ideas for 3 US teams..all out west, to have the guy out of Conf ARIZ: OEL, Keller, Crouse, 2019 2nd r pick, 2020 1st r pick*(conditional on Matthews health. eg 60 gp next season) StL: ROR(1 mill retained), Parayko, Robert Thomas ...AAV: about 13 mill cap hit(StLouis takes Hainsey, for cap-consideration) ANA: Rakell, Josh Manson, Sam Steel, 2020 1st R pick ..AAV: about 9 mill What about these values? Which deal is best? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sikhguy23 Posted November 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2018 Personally I'd do Matthews for Raymond, Ballard and a 1st. 2 3 4 20 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Could Matthews save the Coyotes? I don’t know if anyone down there would care one way or another. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Could Matthews save the Coyotes? I don’t know if anyone down there would care one way or another. You'd have to think the league would love this deal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 St Louis, but I absolutely love Parayko. Anaheim likely has too many of their own cap issues to make a deal giving up their cheap, young players. OEL has a NMC and doesn't really address the Leafs biggest problem, which is a defensive group full of pylons incapable of actually playing defense. OEL isn't going to be able to cover up for Reilly stinking it up in his own zone. He's not the defensive liability that Reilly is, but he's sure as hell not going to solve the problems the Leafs have defensively. Blues trade actually makes a lot of sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toews Posted November 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2018 There are no good reasons to trade your 21 year old franchise center. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 If it were to happen it would somehow end up in Arizona or a large market US team like LA or NY. Backroom deals can write a nice script... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted November 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Toews said: There are no good reasons to trade your 21 year old franchise center. Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. 1 5 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. They traded Lindros for a better franchise centre in Forsberg. Plus they already had Joe Sakic in their back pocket... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 It would be a better idea for Toronto to trade Nylander than Matthews. Matthews will always be the best player in any trade for him and we all know the team that trades the best player usually loses the trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. This is actually quite a nice comparable, for many reasons. Matthews & Lindros didn't have the same reluctance(market belong to)..but maybe similar on-ice talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. I'd argue they would've won nothing if not for the stupidity of the Habs GM. IMHO, no Patrick Roy, no Cups (Floppa, as great as he was [not that Burnaby Joe was chopped liver either], can't play goalie). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. Well he was never going to play for them so why not trade him. If he was playing there is no chance they trade him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Then the Fleas deal Gardiner, simply to dump cap(perhaps land a 2nd &/or 3rd). IF the StLoo deal, they should deal Nylander too! I think a top team, with a stellar top-4 D is easier to maintain under the cap. Your top 4 D control the ice for 48 mins out of 60. If I were GM with such options, I'd try to transfer lots of your elite talent to the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 39 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Even younger, and a clear win for the Nords/Avs. The cap makes it very difficult to pull off a deal of the magnitude of that Lindros trade. The impetus for the trade always was the player's reluctance to play for the franchise. I don't see that being the case with Matthews. He has talent around him, a large market where he can grow his brand and gain endorsements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Then the Fleas deal Gardiner, simply to dump cap(perhaps land a 2nd &/or 3rd). IF the StLoo deal, they should deal Nylander too! I think a top team, with a stellar top-4 D is easier to maintain under the cap. Your top 4 D control the ice for 48 mins out of 60. If I were GM with such options, I'd try to transfer lots of your elite talent to the back end. IMO, Arizona or Florida Panthers would exceed value in order to land Matthews. Florida would probably be, IMO, the best possible trade partner for the leafs. They have Ekblad, Huberd-oh(however the f you spell in French), Hoffman, Barkov... I'm sure the leafs would love Ekblad, couple of wingers and a first... Edit- hypothetical speaking of course Edited November 27, 2018 by luckylager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Nux, I think you are underestimating Matthews' value on the trade market. The compensation for signing a RFA at $11M would be 4 1st round picks and I think that is where you would have to peg Matthews' value. I don't believe any of the proposed trades would be of equivalent value to this and I would suggest Toronto would not do any of these deals. The St. Louis offfer would be the best in my estimation but I think you would still have to add a 1st or 2nd to get Toronto to bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 well i think matthews being moved it likely the highest non event on the laffs agenda they will not trade him .. anyone but him but if it were to happen, matthews has to go to a large market or his value will be wasted... kings are in dire straits, but a big market they have a #1 defender laffs likely covet and can include what will likely be a very high 1st round draft pick in 2019 maybe another piece has to be added as well (and a small cap retention by kings as well) given the age difference between the 2 players and that matthews is viewed as being near generational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, luckylager said: IMO, Arizona or Florida Panthers would exceed value in order to land Matthews. Florida would probably be, IMO, the best possible trade partner for the leafs. They have Ekblad, Huberd-oh(however the f you spell in French), Hoffman, Barkov... I'm sure the leafs would love Ekblad, couple of wingers and a first... Edit- hypothetical speaking of course Too risky to trade such a player within division. Would have to go west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: Nux, I think you are underestimating Matthews' value on the trade market. The compensation for signing a RFA at $11M would be 4 1st round picks and I think that is where you would have to peg Matthews' value. I don't believe any of the proposed trades would be of equivalent value to this and I would suggest Toronto would not do any of these deals. The St. Louis offfer would be the best in my estimation but I think you would still have to add a 1st or 2nd to get Toronto to bite. Could be, RB. Truth is, these top kids get dealt so rarely(in ELC yrs) you have to rewind decades(like Lindros deal) to find comparables. Then it's apple/orange, with no cap back then. I'll also confess to watching far fewer Flea games than most hockey fans might. Even still, gotta confess that Marner is one Helluva' player! Can't see how they'll shoehorn all these riches into the glass slipper, thus dreamt up this thread! :^) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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