luckylager Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Too risky to trade such a player within division. Would have to go west. NFA, you're asking for discussion in the OP. I think you'll find a very short list of GM's in a position to, or willing to make a trade of that magnitude. I'm not sold on the idea that division makes or breaks a trade, especially one involving multiple superstars / stars. It's what, 4 or 5 games a year? Teams change / alter their systems to suit their star players and play to their strengths. Florida has the cajones and assets to make a trade like that happen. That's all I was getting at, for discussion sakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, luckylager said: NFA, you're asking for discussion in the OP. I think you'll find a very short list of GM's in a position to, or willing to make a trade of that magnitude. I'm not sold on the idea that division makes or breaks a trade, especially one involving multiple superstars / stars. It's what, 4 or 5 games a year? Teams change / alter their systems to suit their star players and play to their strengths. Florida has the cajones and assets to make a trade like that happen. That's all I was getting at, for discussion sakes. Oh yeah, & they've got some decent pieces to offer. The darn Fleas are in a good spot. They bring back that hometown star(Tavares), no cost to obtain. To me, that makes a fwd expendable. Imagine the StLoo deal, where they add two more star fwds(Ontario boys), to add with names like Marner & Kadri. They can probably convince all them kids to take a lower cap hit, & keep it intact. Ekblad would be the same thing. I'm basically arguing here that dealing AM AND Nylander, to make a monster-deep, D-line could be a mighty smart move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Pretty sure Toronto's management would be crucified if they traded Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) In Toronto, Matthews is the saviour. Not one chance. When hes on the ice, may as well be Crosby. But ok I’ll play. VAN Matthews TOR Horvat Gudbranson Hughes 1st 2nd Would I do this deal? no. No I would not. Edited November 27, 2018 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Pretty sure Toronto's management would be crucified if they traded Matthews. Hate to admit..but look how well they're faring without the guy. Can't compare it to say(early Lemieux) cos Pitt had nothing besides him(mid-80's). Now look at Gretz when Edmonton were deeper. Dealt him, AND still won another Cup! The 80's are a poor comparable(with no cap), but it could be argued TO could set up their future, while staying competitive & cap-friendly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just offersheet him when their cap crunch hits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 TO is going to be between a rock and a hard place soon... hand me the popcorn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Yeah, make an investment in Tavares, but trade Matthews after...that's the way to go Toronto might be deeper with these trades, but that won't guarantee them a cup in the short term. By trading Matthews their shorten their Stanley Cup windows to a few years only. If they keep him, they should be contenders for the next 7-10 years. Ask yourself, in a year or two, would you trade EP for these packages (or at all)? Same answer for Toronto. Edited November 27, 2018 by timberz21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: I'm no fan of the Maple Leaves..but some of us like to play armchair GM. So I ask the question..Would it be wise to deal this guy now(Everest peak value)? Consider: - Their coming cap-crunch, & Matthews has had injuries - Tavares has meshed so well with Marner - Matthews potential value in US markets - Ability to transfer their fwd wealth, into D-man depth - Still can add Nylander, in addition to haul from Matthews trade - They'll have to PAY AM 11 or 12 mill, next summer TOR: Matthews, 1 more player(Holl, Leivo, A Johnsson or Lindholm..basically a 1 mill $ contract) Trade ideas for 3 US teams..all out west, to have the guy out of Conf ARIZ: OEL, Keller, Crouse, 2019 2nd r pick, 2020 1st r pick*(conditional on Matthews health. eg 60 gp next season) StL: ROR(1 mill retained), Parayko, Robert Thomas ...AAV: about 13 mill cap hit(StLouis takes Hainsey, for cap-consideration) ANA: Rakell, Josh Manson, Sam Steel, 2020 1st R pick ..AAV: about 9 mill What about these values? Which deal is best? All three of those deals is better for the Leafs on paper than one AM... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: I'm no fan of the Maple Leaves..but some of us like to play armchair GM. So I ask the question..Would it be wise to deal this guy now(Everest peak value)? Consider: - Their coming cap-crunch, & Matthews has had injuries - Tavares has meshed so well with Marner - Matthews potential value in US markets - Ability to transfer their fwd wealth, into D-man depth - Still can add Nylander, in addition to haul from Matthews trade - They'll have to PAY AM 11 or 12 mill, next summer TOR: Matthews, 1 more player(Holl, Leivo, A Johnsson or Lindholm..basically a 1 mill $ contract) Trade ideas for 3 US teams..all out west, to have the guy out of Conf ARIZ: OEL, Keller, Crouse, 2019 2nd r pick, 2020 1st r pick*(conditional on Matthews health. eg 60 gp next season) StL: ROR(1 mill retained), Parayko, Robert Thomas ...AAV: about 13 mill cap hit(StLouis takes Hainsey, for cap-consideration) ANA: Rakell, Josh Manson, Sam Steel, 2020 1st R pick ..AAV: about 9 mill What about these values? Which deal is best? If I am Arizona I'd just offer sheet him. Four first round draft picks is less to give up than that package plus it screws the leafs over more. Doubt it will happen though. Edited November 27, 2018 by Tre Mac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Trading Matthews makes sense. Especially with Marner looking like a 90-100 pt player and Tavares being Tavares. They should be able to sign Nylander with relative ease as well. But any return package should include a #1 defenceman for the Leafs to consider it. Is Parayko and Manson true #1? My subjective opinion says they are not there yet. I think only OEL as #1 Dman in the list. I doubt the Leafs' management has the balls to pull off such move anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Matthews will get an offer sheet from Arizona... and then leverage that into a deal even bigger than Tavares has. It will ensure a crappy Leafs defence for a generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just for kix(GM cap wedged firmly on my noggin)... Deal 1 : Gardiner..punted, anywhere. Return, a 2nd 2019; & conditional(performance based) 2020 pick(gotta get away from THAT last playoff memory!) Deal 2: Nylander to RAGS. Return: Brady Skjei & a 2020 2nd, perhaps another pick?(value unsure?) Deal 3: Matthews, Lindholm & Zaitsev StLoo: RoRly??, Thomas, Parayko last deal! (deal 4): Grundstrom, TO 2019 1st, NYR 2nd to... Vancouver, for Christopher Tanev! :^0 Hyman - Tavares - Marner Marleau - ROR - Kapanen Johnson - Kadri - Brown Ennis - Gauthier - Leivo 13th- Robert Thomas! ^Let's be honest, Cdn hockey fans would really get behind a home-grown, fwd group like that. Potent C depth, & only 1 real contract-signing to worry about. Reilly - Tanev Skjei - Parayko Dermott - Ozhighanov mobile D with some size & offense. Lillegren still to come - With only Marner to sign, that cast could be kept intact for many yrs. Still 2 2019 2nds, & a top prospect(Thomas) added. I think this roster could topple TBay, or Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I wonder if Shamalamadingdong has approached ARI to trade Matthews for OEL. Leafs could still use better D, and with OEL they would win the Cup. I'm assuming Chayka would say "no thanks". to TOR - Tanev, Horvat, Gagner and a 3rd to VAN - Matthews ONT boys can play at home, like Johnny T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 If I'm STL I don't do that deal, deals like this don't happen after the one sided affairs that were the Lindros and Thornton deals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 How to lose your job as a GM: trade away Matthews. lol To the people claiming injuries would be the reason: you don't trade based on paranoia. If you did that you would never have a good team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 16 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I wonder if Shamalamadingdong has approached ARI to trade Matthews for OEL. Leafs could still use better D, and with OEL they would win the Cup. I'm assuming Chayka would say "no thanks". to TOR - Tanev, Horvat, Gagner and a 3rd to VAN - Matthews ONT boys can play at home, like Johnny T. You cannot trade scraps for a franchise center. Dubas would hang up faster than you could say everything you wish to trade back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Yeah..hockey NEEDS this deal to occur. I can't stomach another 12~15 mos of media/TML zombie-zealots hand wringing over the Maple Laffs cap-conundrum. Especially in a world on the cusp of major currencies going on par with tp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Yeah..hockey NEEDS this deal to occur. I can't stomach another 12~15 mos of media/TML zombie-zealots hand wringing over the Maple Laffs cap-conundrum. Especially in a world on the cusp of major currencies going on par with tp... Okay. Let's get one thing straight here. If you are suggesting they trade away Matthews because of the Media's antics, you do realise they would have to get someone good back in return and, if not this year, the EXACT SAME antics will probably happen next year or the year after, or hey, probably whenever someone's contract is on the line, so probably the next 10 years.... Actually, throw in an entire year of discussion (probably more) about the Matthews trade, non stop! Edited December 15, 2018 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, The Lock said: Okay. Let's get one thing straight here. If you are suggesting they trade away Matthews because of the Media's antics, you do realise they would have to get someone good back in return and, if not this year, the EXACT SAME antics will probably happen next year or the year after, or hey, probably whenever someone's contract is on the line, so probably the next 10 years.... Actually, throw in an entire year of discussion (probably more) about the Matthews trade, non stop! By jove..we may have both just discovered the sheer redundance of sports journalism?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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