Denmark Plans to Isolate Unwanted Migrants on a Small Island

[Ilunga]

On 12/5/2018 at 4:30 AM, Toews said:

Its not a bad idea to house criminals here who cannot be returned back to their country. Treat them humanely but give them no amenities. I would separate the criminals from the other rejected asylum seekers but its a novel solution and one that can prove a practical one, lets wait and watch. 

First they put away the dealers keep our kids safe and off the streets

Then they put away the prostitutes keep married men cloistered at home

Then they shooed away the bums 

Then they beat and bashed the queers 

Turned away asylum seekers 

Fed us suspiscions and fears 

We didn't raise our voice 

We didn't make a fuss 

It's funny there was no one left to notice when they came for us

 

Looks like witches are in season 

You better fly your flag and be aware 

Of anyone who might fit the description 

Diversity is now our biggest fear 

 

Now with our conservations tapped and our differences exposed 

How ya supposed to love your neighbour with your mind and curtains closed

 

Mike Burkett

[Ilunga]

On 12/5/2018 at 4:44 AM, PhillipBlunt said:

Could work. Nothing wrong with keeping criminals separate from the rest of the population, regardless of their home country.

I always get a bit uneasy when right wing dudes are telling me that someone is a criminal.

Here in Aus we have a policy that other Commonwealth countries nationals who have been living in Aus and have committed certain crimes are not allowed back in the country if they leave to go back the their country of origin. Most of these people are New Zealand nationals.

Sometimes this is warranted but I know a couple of people who committed minor crimes,have been respected members of their communities for years,have gone back to New zealand and have not been allowed back into Australia when they tried to return.

One guy I used to know well who has lived here since he was 2 and is now in his fifties has been in detention for 8 years after finishing his sentence for the crime he commited.

His country of origin, England,won't take him back,he never got citizenship here.

 

[Ilunga]

On 12/5/2018 at 5:33 AM, Alflives said:

Cool!  One place I'd love to visit (likely too old now though) is Australia.   

I think it was meant to show that this casting people to an island is not a new idea. 

You are always welcome to stay at my place Alf.

As are a lot of members from this forum.

[Ilunga]

22 hours ago, canuckistani said:

i was responding to the simple fact that me and most of us would happily live somewhere undemocratic. 

 

So would would 33 percent of Aussies who would support a strong man leader.

The percentage is higher with younger Aussies.

This is reflecting the contempt many have for the nuffies that are currently running our country.

I also believe something that contributes to this is a society the overprotects it's young people.

They grow up soft and pliable 

[canuckistani]

25 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

So would would 33 percent of Aussies who would support a strong man leader.

The percentage is higher with younger Aussies.

This is reflecting the contempt many have for the nuffies that are currently running our country.

I also believe something that contributes to this is a society the overprotects it's young people.

They grow up soft and pliable 

Disagree that it is contempt. 
It is simple human reality that democracy or type of government is lower down the totem pole of priorities than security. Ie, a government that provides security and stability will always be prefferential, when choosing, over one that does not. Doesn't matter if the security and stability is being provided by an alien master-race or droids or dictators or democratic leaders. 

 

Most westerners are not aware of this simple heirarchy of needs because most of them have not encountered an alternative to democracy that worked better in their countries. Non-westerners have seen it all the time.

 

[Ilunga]

52 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

Disagree that it is contempt. 
It is simple human reality that democracy or type of government is lower down the totem pole of priorities than security. Ie, a government that provides security and stability will always be prefferential, when choosing, over one that does not. Doesn't matter if the security and stability is being provided by an alien master-race or droids or dictators or democratic leaders. 

 

Most westerners are not aware of this simple heirarchy of needs because most of them have not encountered an alternative to democracy that worked better in their countries. Non-westerners have seen it all the time.

 

I can assure it is contempt.

With 6 PM's in 10 years,the far right of the liberal party trying to set the agenda.

Sitting govt. members leaving their party and sitting on the cross bench,one a woman who was bullied by right wing members to help overthrow Malcom Turnbull.

A dysfunctional parliament where the conservative govt. is now in minority 

I am now hearing the term SPEC,socially progressive economically conservative.

One does not have to encounter something to understand it's ramifications.

 

I also believe that real freedom is something that many people do not want.

Actually taking responsibility for your own shizzle is to much for most people.

As Mike Burkett stated "you'd rather follow the school into the net,cause swimming alone at sea is not the kind of freedom you actually want".

 

As one of the reps of the companies that supported me once told me,"5-10 percent of the people are going to do what they want,the rest will follow like sheep".

 

[riffraff]

On 12/4/2018 at 9:47 AM, NUCKER67 said:

I was in Copenhagen a few years ago, loved it there. They say it's the Happiest Place on Earth. Hans Christian Andersen, Lego, the Littlest Mermaid, Tivoli Gardens - all good things. These unwelcome visitors aren't forced to stay there. And maybe the Danish just want to try and help keep Copenhagen the happiest place on earth.  

This.

 

in my backpacking days I met several Danes.  All very fun and happy people.  Plus the women are super hot.

 

good job Denmark.  Have a streudel!

[riffraff]

17 hours ago, Ilunga said:

First they put away the dealers keep our kids safe and off the streets

Then they put away the prostitutes keep married men cloistered at home

Then they shooed away the bums 

Then they beat and bashed the queers 

Turned away asylum seekers 

Fed us suspiscions and fears 

We didn't raise our voice 

We didn't make a fuss 

It's funny there was no one left to notice when they came for us

 

Looks like witches are in season 

You better fly your flag and be aware 

Of anyone who might fit the description 

Diversity is now our biggest fear 

 

Now with our conservations tapped and our differences exposed 

How ya supposed to love your neighbour with your mind and curtains closed

 

Mike Burkett

I dunno about how this particular set of lyrics is applicable here.  It has been determined that the islanders are criminals.

 

you have a son.  If you lived in Denmark, just as you do in Aus, you would want to feel like your son is as safe as possible.  And if the gvt decides to help ensure that, then I say it’s about damn time.

 

 

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[Ilunga]

6 hours ago, riffraff said:

I dunno about how this particular set of lyrics is applicable here.  It has been determined that the islanders are criminals.

 

you have a son.  If you lived in Denmark, just as you do in Aus, you would want to feel like your son is as safe as possible.  And if the gvt decides to help ensure that, then I say it’s about damn time.

 

 

As I stated in the following post,I always get a bit uneasy when right wing dudes start telling me someone is a criminal.

 

In the society I live in we have broken the seven international  human right treat we are signatories to because right dudes have decided asylum seekers should be put on Manus Island and Nauru where they are treated worse than criminals

Last week Medicins sans frontieres released a report that states the condition there are some of the worst they have seen.

They described the mental health situation on Nauru as the equivalent of torture.

 

The words of Pastor Martin Niemoller always come to my mind in situations like this 

 

First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out ....because I was not a socialist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out.....because I was not a trade unionist

 

Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out ....because I was not a Jew 

 

Then they came for me..

And there was no one left to speak for me

 

While in this case I don't think my govt. will come for me I believe that I and any person who believes in human rights should speak out when people,in this case right wing politicians who around have a history of designating people as criminals when they are not, are locking up people or as is the case here putting them on islands.

 

So the words of that song are pertinent to me.

I do not believe people that sell their time having sex with other people,prostitutes,are criminals,I do not believe that people who sell pot,dealers,are criminals,I do not believe people who come to this country hoping for a better life for their kids,asylum seekers are criminals.

 

I would feel safe and feel my son was safe if these people lived in my society.

[riffraff]

32 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

As I stated in the following post,I always get a bit uneasy when right wing dudes start telling me someone is a criminal.

 

In the society I live in we have broken the seven international  human right treat we are signatories to because right dudes have decided asylum seekers should be put on Manus Island and Nauru where they are treated worse than criminals

Last week Medicins sans frontieres released a report that states the condition there are some of the worst they have seen.

They described the mental health situation on Nauru as the equivalent of torture.

 

The words of Pastor Martin Niemoller always come to my mind in situations like this 

 

First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out ....because I was not a socialist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out.....because I was not a trade unionist

 

Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out ....because I was not a Jew 

 

Then they came for me..

And there was no one left to speak for me

 

While in this case I don't think my govt. will come for me I believe that I and any person who believes in human rights should speak out when people,in this case right wing politicians who around have a history of designating people as criminals when they are not, are locking up people or as is the case here putting them on islands.

 

So the words of that song are pertinent to me.

I do not believe people that sell their time having sex with other people,prostitutes,are criminals,I do not believe that people who sell pot,dealers,are criminals,I do not believe people who come to this country hoping for a better life for their kids,asylum seekers are criminals.

 

I would feel safe and feel my son was safe if these people lived in my society.

These are people who are not eligible for asylum as per the article.

 

imo.  “Dealer” is a broad term.  We are both old enough to know the difference between which dealers should not be on the streets and which ones who are a non threat.  I’ll leave it at that considering this public forum.

[Ilunga]

6 minutes ago, riffraff said:

These are people who are not eligible for asylum as per the article.

 

imo.  “Dealer” is a broad term.  We are both old enough to know the difference between which dealers should not be on the streets and which ones who are a non threat.  I’ll leave it at that considering this public forum.

So I take it you believe the right wing politicians who are designating these people as criminals ?

 

I do not for the reasons I have stated.

 

Those are the dealers Mike is talking about in that song.

[riffraff]

3 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

So I take it you believe the right wing politicians who are designating these people as criminals ?

 

I do not for the reasons I have stated.

 

Those are the dealers Mike is talking about in that song.

Not really sure how to cut and paste the OP article but if you re read it you will note that it was a “populist/nativist” inspired policy - which I read as - wanted by  people of Denmark and not specifically the gvt only.  As well the asylum seekers already had criminal records.  Now obviously we don’t know what the criminal charges are but if it were my country, I feel we have enough criminals as it is.  I don’t want support any more with the money I earn.

[Ilunga]

6 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Not really sure how to cut and paste the OP article but if you re read it you will note that it was a “populist/nativist” inspired policy - which I read as - wanted by  people of Denmark and not specifically the gvt only.  As well the asylum seekers already had criminal records.  Now obviously we don’t know what the criminal charges are but if it were my country, I feel we have enough criminals as it is.  I don’t want support any more with the money I earn.

Trump is a populist, do you believe his BS ?

He also designates people many of whom are women and children as threats to his country.

Do you believe that ?

[riffraff]

48 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Trump is a populist, do you believe his BS ?

He also designates people many of whom are women and children as threats to his country.

Do you believe that ?

I’m sorry but I can’t compare the US to Denmark based on history.

 

i guess we will have to agree to disagree here.

[Alflives]

59 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Trump is a populist, do you believe his BS ?

He also designates people many of whom are women and children as threats to his country.

Do you believe that ?

Is Denmark's population based on immigration?  The US is a country of immigrants.  I don't know if that's the case with the Dane's.  The two counties are not comparable, when it comes to immigration, are they?

[Ilunga]

47 minutes ago, riffraff said:

I’m sorry but I can’t compare the US to Denmark based on history.

 

i guess we will have to agree to disagree here.

No probs.

 

It might just be an intellectual discussion to you however this is a topic I take seriously.

As I have stated my society,Australia is holding people,asylum seekers,in conditions that have been described as torturous by a highly respected humanitarian organisation.

We are breaking international human rights treaties we are signatories to in doing this.

What is happening in Denmark reeks of the same thing.

 

The only thing nesesary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

[Ilunga]

43 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is Denmark's population based on immigration?  The US is a country of immigrants.  I don't know if that's the case with the Dane's.  The two counties are not comparable, when it comes to immigration, are they?

What Riffraff stated was that this was a nativist/populist inspired policy wanted by the Danish people.

Nowhere did I read in that article that the Danish people wanted this to happen however I read that each year the right wing Danish people's party demands restrictions on immigrants and refugees in return for its votes on the budget.

Who does that remind you of Alf ?

 

That is why I was comparing the two.

[riffraff]

28 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

No probs.

 

It might just be an intellectual discussion to you however this is a topic I take seriously.

As I have stated my society,Australia is holding people,asylum seekers,in conditions that have been described as torturous by a highly respected humanitarian organisation.

We are breaking international human rights treaties we are signatories to in doing this.

What is happening in Denmark reeks of the same thing.

 

The only thing nesesary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

Perhaps we will have to wait until further developments and details come out.

 

i like to think I am a good human so although Canada is not conducting a mandate like Australia is atm, I would be following closely if my country was.  That being said, as a self professed good human, I stand by those who want to protect the citizens of the home country from the criminal element should there in fact be opposition.