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7 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Got to think Leivo is the odd man out when Roussel comes back and to be honest I'd rather see what Baertschi can do than Leivo at the moment. He deserves a decent chance though but Virtanen has already replaced him on Horvat's line and is doing well there...

Leivo goes on waivers when ?Baer comes back.  What exactly does Leivo do that’s good?  

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Leivo is just a discount Baertschi to me. He does everything Baertschi does, but slightly worse.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not actually playing badly this year, but I still feel that Baertschi could be doing even more.

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Agree that Jake seems to be playing well lately, even if the points haven't been piling on. I think Virtanen stays there until Green feels like he's not doing a good job anymore. 

 

Leivo I think has to be the odd man out. I think Pearson stays on the second line, Virtanen has just replaced Leivo. 

 

Is Leivo replacing anyone on the third and fourth lines? I doubt it. 

 

I think he becomes the extra forward, honestly. Good depth, but I'm not sure if the player is going to be happy. 

 

Would love to see Bartschi eventually return to the big club. 

 

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1 minute ago, -AJ- said:

Leivo is just a discount Baertschi to me. He does everything Baertschi does, but slightly worse.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not actually playing badly this year, but I still feel that Baertschi could be doing even more.

Honestly, I think that Bartschi is an upgrade over Leivo offensively, and generally speaking as well. 

 

The only area that I think Leivo has a leg up on, is probably board work, and physicality. Baer is a little low on both those, he's not the most physical player (Leivo is better here). But I'll take 'lesser' Bartschi in two of those areas, than Leivo. Bartschi isn't also bad defensively. But he provides a lot more offensively than Leivo has so far this season. I think Leivo is playing slightly above his pay grade. He'd make a terrific third liner, and probably even a decent fourth line player. But a second line player? He hasn't been able to produce offensively. 

 

So, no thanks. 

 

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1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:

Agree that Jake seems to be playing well lately, even if the points haven't been piling on. I think Virtanen stays there until Green feels like he's not doing a good job anymore. 

 

Leivo I think has to be the odd man out. I think Pearson stays on the second line, Virtanen has just replaced Leivo. 

 

Is Leivo replacing anyone on the third and fourth lines? I doubt it. 

 

I think he becomes the extra forward, honestly. Good depth, but I'm not sure if the player is going to be happy. 

 

Would love to see Bartschi eventually return to the big club. 

 

Other than the goal, did Virtanen have a single noticeable moment the other night?  Leivo played 16 minutes, Virtanen played 9.  Green relies more on Leivo because he creates chances every game and can actually drive play.  Problem with Leivo is he is a bit of a meathead sometimes.  Throws the puck to nowhere.  Maybe Green is giving Leivo more ice time as a last chance type of thing but his production isn't horrible and he does bring size.  I would like to see Baertschi play though

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11 hours ago, Alflives said:

Leivo goes on waivers when ?Baer comes back.  What exactly does Leivo do that’s good?  

 

Wouldn't expect Baertschi back - his understanding per his interview to a Swiss paper is that he doesn't fit the team.  See his thread for the quotes.

 

 

5 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Leivo is just a discount Baertschi to me. He does everything Baertschi does, but slightly worse.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's not actually playing badly this year, but I still feel that Baertschi could be doing even more.

Different players.  Green obviously values Leivo's contribution more and doesn't think Baertschi fits his system.

 

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21 hours ago, Alflives said:

Leivo is a serviceable bottom six guy.  He doesn’t bring anything physical though.  Schaller and Motte have contributed more.  

What I see in Leivo is decent speed, good board battle, can read the play and can handle the heavy going. He has a decent number of offensive looks but not capitalize to date. I am not down on the guy after 10 games. I agree he is not top 6 but is capable of filling in there if needed. He can play 3rd line. In CUP play the 3rd line is usually getting more d-zone FO's and get to cover the top lines of the opposing teams. Many on here think Baer should at least get Leivo's TOI. I am on the fence but lean towards Leivo keeping his TOI for at least 20-25 games. Baer brings better offense but I question his long term durability. It is what you have in March more than what you can produce in October. Still hoping that Baer's play in Utica draws an offer from another NHL team. 

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8 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

Other than the goal, did Virtanen have a single noticeable moment the other night?  Leivo played 16 minutes, Virtanen played 9.  Green relies more on Leivo because he creates chances every game and can actually drive play.  Problem with Leivo is he is a bit of a meathead sometimes.  Throws the puck to nowhere.  Maybe Green is giving Leivo more ice time as a last chance type of thing but his production isn't horrible and he does bring size.  I would like to see Baertschi play though

Good thing you didn't use the word "Invisible"  or the Jake Bromancers will be calling you out 5th:lol:

 

Good Points on Leivo, I like what he brings, yes makes some mistakes along the way. I would think management sees him as a better fit bottom 6, size, durability down the stretch...

 

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 10:55 AM, The 5th Line said:

Other than the goal, did Virtanen have a single noticeable moment the other night?  Leivo played 16 minutes, Virtanen played 9.  Green relies more on Leivo because he creates chances every game and can actually drive play.  Problem with Leivo is he is a bit of a meathead sometimes.  Throws the puck to nowhere.  Maybe Green is giving Leivo more ice time as a last chance type of thing but his production isn't horrible and he does bring size.  I would like to see Baertschi play though

How much time did Leivo get on the PP2? I would actually like to see Leivo taken off the PP2 and Jake placed in Ovies spot and see if he can blast a few in there.

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Josh Leivo with moves into 224 with his set up to Quinn Hughes tonight.  Very Lonny Bohonosian type numbers.

223.  Lonny Bohonos RW 70 13 13 26
224.  Josh Leivo LW 64 12 14 26
225.  Dale Weise RW 152 10 16 26
226.  Claire Alexander D 32 8 18 26
227.  Michael Del Zotto D 105 7 19 26
227.  Doug Wickenheiser C 80 7 19 26

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I'm one of many who called for Leivo to be scratched early on, but he has 8 points in 15 games. Time to start realizing that he's putting up pretty decent numbers. We'll see if he keeps it up.

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2 hours ago, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said:

14 in 28. He's been a solid secondary scorer for us. 

 

One thing I always notice when he's on the ice - his one on one puck battle skills are INSANE. He's often the second guy in there and comes out with the pick just by outmaneuvering the opposing player. Also his stick skills are great. I think he's a great example for some of our younger players and it makes sense why he was playing a lot with Petey and Boeser last season. His job was just to get them the puck and demonstrate how to win these board battles.

 

This year with Miller on the first line, they've taken their forecheck down low to the next level and I think they definitely have benefited from their previous time with Leivo.

Many on here were benching Leivo so Baer could play. Just as you pointed out his board work I always admire his positioning. He reads the play well and anticipates well. If Leivo keeps it up and Pearson continues his scoring it bodes well for the Canucks come spring.  

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3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

There seems to be a few posters on here who rate this player far less than his actual worth.  

Josh is a player who puts out 100% on a regular basis,  but his individual playmaking benefits far more when this team is healthy.  

He is a valuable complimentary player, not a lone standout..  a type of player that can create chemistry in a healthy line up.. and make it win.

Tyler Motte is another,  and I look forward to his return.  

When this team is fully healthy, it’s players like Leivo, Motte, Beagle, Rousell, and Schaller that keep the prowess of this team hot and hard to handle.

Totally agree with this. I can understand why there's criticism when Leivo is on the PP or on the first line with Horvat, but he's an elite 3rd liner when it comes to defensive play and board work and he's also a terrific sniper when he gets the chance. When he's on the third line he's a big part of our team. It's not his fault that we still lack one or two skilled top 6 forwards.

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Yeah, I was critical of Green's deployment of Leivo early on, but the dude is a player. Everything you want out of a 3rd line guy. He can skate, shoot, he's feisty as hell, and he can play in the top 6 and be effective when he needs to be. 

 

The Laughs were fools to give up on him. Exactly the type of player they could have used to fill out their top heavy lineup. Oh well, their loss is our gain. 

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1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

The Laughs were fools to give up on him. Exactly the type of player they could have used to fill out their top heavy lineup. Oh well, their loss is our gain. 

Too big, and makes over $700K.

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