"Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled from radio

[canuckistani]

9 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

Clueless indeed. Maybe try having this debate with your daughter - you might learn something.

in this case, you are better off having this conversation with your grandma.

[HomeBrew]

14 hours ago, Dazzle said:

You don't sound appropriate around here.

 

Almost every time I see one of your posts, I move along because there's nothing to see. Once again, this is proof.

 

Having read the lyrics, I have no freaking clue how people can arrive at the conclusion that the song is about rape. I thought yes means yes and no means no?

 

At no point did she say 'no' and she wasn't under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

 

The whole #metoo movement is doing more bad than it is doing good right now, quite honestly,  but no one will say it because it will cost them their job, which literally has nothing to do with how they are performing, nor do their views affect their workplace, unless it is actually distracting the productivity.

 

We as a society need to find the balls to speak up about how we feel.

“So really I'd better scurry (beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)

The neighbors might think (baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)”

 

“I simply must go (but baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is no (but baby, it's cold outside)”

 

Is English your second language? Or, are you just trying to prove what is wrong with today’s society and understanding consent?

 

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Never said it was sinking in to the toilet. 

 

But if you don't think there's a very determined, vocal minority out there working hard at infecting our schools, governments, corporations etc with extremely dangerous, ideology based nonsense, including and up to Marxism, you're not paying close enough attention. 

 

This is precisely how things like Marxism and Nazism got started in Russia and Germany. A small group of people start making legal changes, indoctrinating students and the average person turns a blind eye. I'd prefer we learned from the mistakes of the past, thanks. 

If you equate not playing an outdated song from over a half century ago on the radio to the rise of Nazism, clearly there is something wrong with our educational system...

[Toews]

10 hours ago, DefCon1 said:

I don't find the song "Pervy". I actually like the song and didn't mind the lyrics at all. I think some people just have their mind focused on the negatives and on dirty aspects so they feel its "pervy" or a rape song. If you have a mind to think like that and take things out of context, a lot of things will sound "pervy". I wonder what they think about 99% of rap songs. There are rap songs that literally talk about raping and murdering someone while half of it is censored but I don't see the feminist movement doing anything about that. So many problems in this world and so many issues, yet they are trying to ban one Christmas song like it will have any impact at all on anything. Not only it wouldn't have any impact, it might actually do the opposite and backfire. 

I checked the CBC playlist, couldn't find any of those rap songs you speak of. Not even Eminem's "Ass Like That", which to me is the real injustice. I assume they don't think the song is appropriate for snooty ol' grandmas and underage kids. I say we do away with the "Canadian Broadcast Standards Council" as they seem to be responsible for this gross curtailing of free speech. We will get all the songs out there in all their uncensored glory. 

[canuckistani]

26 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

“So really I'd better scurry (beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)

The neighbors might think (baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)”

 

“I simply must go (but baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is no (but baby, it's cold outside)”

 

Is English your second language? Or, are you just trying to prove what is wrong with today’s society and understanding consent?

 

If you equate not playing an outdated song from over a half century ago on the radio to the rise of Nazism, clearly there is something wrong with our educational system...

1. The saying 'whats in your drink' does not imply rapey drugs. Its been a figure of speech since Shakespearean times

2. The 'answer is no' is followed by " your welcome has been so nice and warm, what will my sister say" - thus negating the no from a personal 'i said no' to 'no, i dont want people to gossip'.

 

Did you learn English in the new 'i am offended at everything' era ? Do you know how coyness works ? Do you know what 'i am obligated to say this, but don't listen to my words, listen to my body language and actions say' means ? Are you even aware of any cultural axioms outside of young people culture ?

 

[HomeBrew]

2 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

1. The saying 'whats in your drink' does not imply rapey drugs. Its been a figure of speech since Shakespearean times

2. The 'answer is no' is followed by " your welcome has been so nice and warm, what will my sister say" - thus negating the no from a personal 'i said no' to 'no, i dont want people to gossip'.

 

Did you learn English in the new 'i am offended at everything' era ? Do you know how coyness works ? Do you know what 'i am obligated to say this, but don't listen to my words, listen to my body language and actions say' means ? Are you even aware of any cultural axioms outside of young people culture ?

 

So some how “answer is no” to “no, I don’t want people to gossip” means “yes” to you? 

 

Also, please educate me on the history of how asking “what’s in this drink?” doesnt imply alcohol...

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, HomeBrew said:

So some how “answer is no” to “no, I don’t want people to gossip” means “yes” to you? 

 

Also, please educate me on the history of how asking “what’s in this drink?” doesnt imply alcohol...

Any word can be negated subsequently. Prime law of human interaction is, the most recent takes precedence. You must not be a parent if you have never encountered or done the ' NO...allright, fine'. Now go cry me a river how your 5 year old does not understand concept and how nagging is a gross violation of consent. In the lyrics itself, the no is negated downgraded from a no to 'i just dont want people to gossip' when she says she is concerned about what her sister will think and thank you, this is awesome *AFTER* saying no. 

 

PS: It does imply its alcohol. It doesn't imply its got date rape drugs in it. 

 

Again i ask you - do you or do you not understand what coyness is and can you differentiate between playing coy and rejection ?

[Bill Sikes]

5 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

So some how “answer is no” to “no, I don’t want people to gossip” means “yes” to you? 

 

Also, please educate me on the history of how asking “what’s in this drink?” doesnt imply alcohol...

see my post on the previous page

[HomeBrew]

2 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

Any word can be negated subsequently. Prime law of human interaction is, the most recent takes precedence. You must not be a parent if you have never encountered or done the ' NO...allright, fine'. Now go cry me a river how your 5 year old does not understand concept and how nagging is a gross violation of consent. In the lyrics itself, the no is negated downgraded from a no to 'i just dont want people to gossip' when she says she is concerned about what her sister will think and thank you, this is awesome *AFTER* saying no. 

 

PS: It does imply its alcohol. It doesn't imply its got date rape drugs in it. 

 

Again i ask you - do you or do you not understand what coyness is and can you differentiate between playing coy and rejection ?

You should probably go back and read what I was originally commenting on.

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, HomeBrew said:

You should probably go back and read what I was originally commenting on.

you are dodging my question - do you or do you not understand the difference between coyness and rejection via words ? if yes, demonstrate the difference. If no, please say so and i will be happy to educate. 

[Toews]

26 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

1. The saying 'whats in your drink' does not imply rapey drugs. Its been a figure of speech since Shakespearean times

2. The 'answer is no' is followed by " your welcome has been so nice and warm, what will my sister say" - thus negating the no from a personal 'i said no' to 'no, i dont want people to gossip'.

 

Did you learn English in the new 'i am offended at everything' era ? Do you know how coyness works ? Do you know what 'i am obligated to say this, but don't listen to my words, listen to my body language and actions say' means ? Are you even aware of any cultural axioms outside of young people culture ?

 

Probably. But you grew up in an era where women couldn't say "yes" without being called sluts and somehow you think it was better then. Personally I am glad that the 'era' that I grew up in has progressed past the point where we are done shaming people for their promiscuity. 

 

So yes this song is so outdated that young people cannot relate to it and hence it has been removed. There may come a time in my future when subsequent generations decide that a song that I like is too antiquated but I know I will take it better than some of you in here. 

[canuckistani]

8 minutes ago, Toews said:

Probably. But you grew up in an era where women couldn't say "yes" without being called sluts and somehow you think it was better then. Personally I am glad that the 'era' that I grew up in has progressed past the point where we are done shaming people for their promiscuity. 

Never said that era was better because women couldn't speak their minds. 

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So yes this song is so outdated that young people cannot relate to it and hence it has been removed. There may come a time in my future when subsequent generations decide that a song that I like is too antiquated but I know I will take it better than some of you in here. 

There are still plenty of old people left on this planet. That era still exists on this planet. And if someone can't relate to something, the answer is to EDUCATE them on it. Thats how culture works. 

[Toews]

18 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

Never said that era was better because women couldn't speak their minds. 

There are still plenty of old people left on this planet. That era still exists on this planet. And if someone can't relate to something, the answer is to EDUCATE them on it. Thats how culture works. 

How do you suggest a radio station go about doing that? Do they give a history lesson before or after the song is played so that listeners understand the full historical context. Face it, its outdated and no longer fits in the mainstream music category. Mainstream music is the kind of music you would find playing in a mall or a grocery store. Its generic, inoffensive and tries to appeal to multiple age groups. This particular song no longer appeals to all age groups and hence it was probably a business decision to cut it out. If you love it so much you have youtube, spotify or any other number of music streaming services.

[canuckistani]

4 minutes ago, Toews said:

How do you suggest a radio station go about doing that? Do they give a history lesson before or after the song is played so that listeners understand the full historical context. Face the facts, its outdated and no longer fits in the mainstream music category. Mainstream music is the kind of music you would find playing in a mall or a grocery store. Its generic, inoffensive and tries to appeal to multiple age groups. This particular song no longer appeals to all age groups and hence it was probably a business decision to cut it out. If you love it so much you have youtube, spotify or any other number of music streaming services.

radio stations can do whatever they wish - especially the private entities. What they shouldn't do, is pull a song for being rapey, when they play far more rapey songs in the first place. 

The education reference is towards those who are outraged and going nuts on social media over it. 

[aGENT]

3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

but that kind of thing has been going on forever, there was probably some angry monkey at the first fireside chat trying to convince the troop of something. 

 

We can't be afraid of debate and ideas, and i don't think there's really anything all that "new" in the discussions. I think whats different than before going on now tho is post-secondary administrations have become spineless minions led around by risk management. Any "controversy" sends them into a tizzy of bad decisions that have nothing to do with academic freedom. They're afraid of bad press more than anything else. 

We can (and should) be afraid of ideologically driven , extremist ideas though. Which is very much what we're seeing.

 

When it comes to that nonsense, I lean far more to the proactive snuffing out than dismissal.

 

Dangerous, murderous ideas have no place in the discussion IMO.

[Kanukfanatic]

I am sick of these PC idiots trying to turn everything into some type of problem.

 

There is nothing wrong with the song. There is something wrong with the people trying to ban it. Pathetic.

[Toews]

Just now, canuckistani said:

radio stations can do whatever they wish - especially the private entities. What they shouldn't do, is pull a song for being rapey, when they play far more rapey songs in the first place. 

Radio stations remove something if a complaint is received through the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council. So if you think a song is rapey based on the standard set by removing this song then you are free to make a complaint.

Just now, canuckistani said:

The education reference is towards those who are outraged and going nuts on social media over it. 

Are they? I don't keep track of social media. Usually someone is going to go nuts regardless of what you do. I am sure there are many who are going nuts over this song's removal. 

[canuckistani]

4 minutes ago, Toews said:

Radio stations remove something if a complaint is received through the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council. So if you think a song is rapey based on the standard set by removing this song then you are free to make a complaint.

Are they? I don't keep track of social media. Usually someone is going to go nuts regardless of what you do. I am sure there are many who are going nuts over this song's removal. 

or i can make a case for discrimination and get them to rescind the directive. I am not pro-censorship. 

[Toews]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

or i can make a case for discrimination and get them to rescind the directive. I am not pro-censorship. 

Good luck if you do decide to pursue it. We all have to choose which injustice is really worth our time. 

[Dazzle]

27 minutes ago, Toews said:

Probably. But you grew up in an era where women couldn't say "yes" without being called sluts and somehow you think it was better then. Personally I am glad that the 'era' that I grew up in has progressed past the point where we are done shaming people for their promiscuity. 

 

So yes this song is so outdated that young people cannot relate to it and hence it has been removed. There may come a time in my future when subsequent generations decide that a song that I like is too antiquated but I know I will take it better than some of you in here. 

I know what you're saying but we are far from 'done'. It's just taken on a different dynamic (i.e. webcam footage for blackmail and cyberbullying, "revenge porn"). Don't forget, celebrities also occasionally get their sex videos released without their permission, and that would spark a bunch of comments. The thing is, those specific people have an army to defend against it (at least on the public side of things). Regular folk don't have such a luxury.

 

I'm not sure how people can't 'relate' to it anymore. It's simply a man trying to get a woman to stay, telling her it's cold outside. Eminem and Rihanna has a song that is called "Love the Way You Lie", which may not necessarily show "rape", but shows a potentially abusive relationship, which is a very relevant concept to today. Yes, it was released many years prior to this year (I think it's 2010). At no point is the song glamorizing the abusive relationship. People recognized this fact. The people before these group of people also didn't think there was a 'rapey' element to the song "Baby It's Cold Outside."

 

People are reading far too much into the lyrics and twisting the words to match what they think it means. The intent wasn't there. And while I am not discounting the fact that there were rapes that happened with the use of alcohol during that time, 'drugs' like GHB I suspected hadn't existed yet. The drugs of choice during that period were likely morphine or cocaine. Hardly, effective drugs for 'rape'.

 

Furthermore, it's not like the songwriter Frank Loesser (who's deceased) was involved in any sort of date rape incident. In fact, the daughter has spoke out regarding it. (tl;dr version - it's an innocent song and that he'd be horrified to hear that the song is associated with rape).

 

This whole escapade by so-called Social Justice Warriors is intentionally tarnishing the reputation of a good-standing individual to advance an agenda. If you can't see the problem with doing this, YOU are part of the problem.

[nowhereman]

If you want real change, you have to focus on the broader, more important issues. That doesn't mean going through grandpa's old Christmas albums. This is a bit much.