"Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled from radio

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Thanks for these, aGENT. Both speakers offer excellent insight into what I feel is a major issue and one that is causing far more harm than good.

Yeah but clearly nobody intelligent would be worried about 'campus commies' and the creeping Marxism oozing out of schools and infecting everything from your local HR departments, laws etc all the way to the largest tech company in the world.

 

And clearly I'm just confusing the dangers Marxism represents. Those tens of millions of people it killed was something totally unrelated 

[PhillipBlunt]

7 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yeah but clearly nobody intelligent would be worried about 'campus commies' and the creeping Marxism oozing out of schools and infecting everything from your local HR departments, laws etc all the way to the largest tech company in the world.

 

And clearly I'm just confusing the dangers Marxism represents. Those tens of millions of people it killed was something totally unrelated 

There is very little space for the middle ground anymore. The wings of the bird have taken over and are telling the body how to fly, which will end up killing it. I do appreciate the middle ground, centrally balanced thinking, and it's refreshing that there isn't a huge contingent of political or ideological extremism on these boards. 

 

I fear for my three sons some days, having to navigate such a miserable and splintered landscape. I'm doing the best I can to prepare them for society once they enter it as men.

[Lockout Casualty]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yeah but clearly nobody intelligent would be worried about 'campus commies' and the creeping Marxism oozing out of schools and infecting everything from your local HR departments, laws etc all the way to the largest tech company in the world.

 

And clearly I'm just confusing the dangers Marxism represents. Those tens of millions of people it killed was something totally unrelated 

There's a reason they're speaking at a Trump-supporting, anti-immigration think-tank started by a pro-eugenics racist. Lots of intellectuals there, I bet. A couple even joined the Trump administration. 

 

39 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

There is very little space for the middle ground anymore. The wings of the bird have taken over and are telling the body how to fly, which will end up killing it. I do appreciate the middle ground, centrally balanced thinking , and it's refreshing that there isn't a huge contingent of political or ideological extremism on these boards. 

 

I fear for my three sons some days, having to navigate such a miserable and splintered landscape. I'm doing the best I can to prepare them for society once they enter it as men.

It's not that there is no middle ground, it's that middle ground is being equated to status quo. Things are changing to the benefit of minorities, but is it happening at the expense of white people? Personally, as a white male in his 30's, I don't see or feel that it is.

 

Your post also reminds me of VanGnome's earlier post,

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...people now need to be fearful of the most basic of societal interactions between sexes or even in some cases those of the same sex, for fear of reprisal that said interaction is an unwanted, nonconsensual sexual abuse. In other words, people need to condition themselves when it comes to body language, tone of voice, inflection, eye contact etc when interacting in order to NOT be misconstrued as someone dangerous or to be feared whether the person they're interacting with is likely to be offended in this sense or not.

First thing that came to mind when I read the above is how I never in my life worried that my words or actions would be misconstrued by someone. I would suggest (not that I'd ever tell you how to raise your kids) you stop worrying about how they'll do, and focus on raising decent human beings. As they say, if you're honest, you never have to worry about remembering what you said. Similarly, if you're a decent person, you never have to worry about being mistaken for a sexual predator/racist/bigot/etc.

 

I never had to be dragged kicking and screaming into treating and respecting women and minorities as equal. And that's exactly what we're witnessing now - people kicking and screaming as they're being forced to treat others as equals.

[aGENT]

10 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

There's a reason they're speaking at a Trump-supporting, anti-immigration think-tank started by a pro-eugenics racist. Lots of intellectuals there, I bet. A couple even joined the Trump administration. 

 

Pretty sure you've got your CIS's confused here....

 

https://cis.org/

 

https://www.cis.org.au/

 

But way to ramp up the righteous indignation and hyperbole.

[Lockout Casualty]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

Pretty sure you've got your CIS's confused here....

 

https://cis.org/

 

https://www.cis.org.au/

Well that I did. Color me red. 

 

I suppose it is to be expected that, while I confused the CIS's, the right one is a libertarian "think"-tank. As they say, same sh**, different pile.

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Well that I did. Color me red. 

You can also look in to things like the firing of Bret Weinstein if you like. Another highly intelligent person affected by this nonsense.

 

Or Jonathan Haidt. Another Professor who's written books and has numerous Youtube videos on the subject.

 

What is happening in universities the last few years until now (and likely for a few more years until we can hopefully, largely put a stop to it) is starting to and will continue to show up in work forces, government, law etc in the next five years. It's very, VERY bad and people need to be made aware and be vigilant to not let these extreme ideas get a foothold.

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

32 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

There's a reason they're speaking at a Trump-supporting, anti-immigration think-tank started by a pro-eugenics racist. Lots of intellectuals there, I bet. A couple even joined the Trump administration. 

 

It's not that there is no middle ground, it's that middle ground is being equated to status quo. Things are changing to the benefit of minorities, but is it happening at the expense of white people? Personally, as a white male in his 30's, I don't see or feel that it is.

I don't think that there is much in the way of middle ground anymore. Not sure why you brought race or minority into it though. I'm speaking about political and ideological extremes. Skin tone wasn't part of my last post.  

32 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Your post also reminds me of VanGnome's earlier post,

First thing that came to mind when I read the above is how I never in my life worried that my words or actions would be misconstrued by someone. I would suggest (not that I'd ever tell you how to raise your kids) you stop worrying about how they'll do, and focus on raising decent human beings.

I'm not worried whatsoever regarding how people perceive what I say because I can't help how people think, nor do I want to.

 

Not that I'm going to tell you how to raise your kids, but here's how I think you should raise your kids.......No thanks, Lockout. I don't need the random and vague ideas regarding child-rearing. I'm going to guess by your comment "stop worrying about how they do" that you might not have any children.

32 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

As they say, if you're honest, you never have to worry about remembering what you said.

So liars keep notes?

32 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Similarly, if you're a decent person, you never have to worry about being mistaken for a sexual predator/racist/bigot/etc.

So, decent and innocent people have never been accused or convicted of crimes?

32 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

I never had to be dragged kicking and screaming into treating and respecting women and minorities as equal. And that's exactly what we're witnessing now - people kicking and screaming as they're being forced to treat others as equals.

How often during the day do you pat yourself on the back? Whenever the mood strikes you, or only for a captive audience? Only in the segmented and self-righteous world that exists now is respecting women and minorities a badge of honor. Back when I was growing up, it was called being a good person, neighbor, and member of a community.

[JM_]

3 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yeah but clearly nobody intelligent would be worried about 'campus commies' and the creeping Marxism oozing out of schools and infecting everything from your local HR departments, laws etc all the way to the largest tech company in the world.

 

And clearly I'm just confusing the dangers Marxism represents. Those tens of millions of people it killed was something totally unrelated 

Who said you weren't intelligent? I'm just saying I think you're far too concerned about it. Big difference there. 

 

Humans have killed in the name of Marxism, communism, racism, fascism. capitalism, colonialism.... so which one are you thinking has done more damage? Is it even possible to calculate?

 

Socialist ideas have been around for a long time, they will continue to be around for a long time. Freaking out about it does what? I guess we could see more Marxist political parties forming under PR so maybe we should worry if that goes through. 

 

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Who said you weren't intelligent?

Not me:

 

On 12/11/2018 at 7:12 PM, Lockout Casualty said:

Can you really consider someone worried about Marxists an intellectual? 

There's a good number of people, far more intellectual than I am, greatly (and rightly IMO) concerned about it. I don't know about you guys but I tend to listen when people smarter than me are talking. They might just have useful information.

 

6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Humans have killed in the name of Marxism, communism, racism, fascism. capitalism, colonialism.... so which one are you thinking has done more damage? Is it even possible to calculate?

More than one thing being bad doesn't mean we should be laissez faire about Marxism/communism/extreme leftism. Your obfuscating the point.

 

12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Socialist ideas have been around for a long time, they will continue to be around for a long time. Freaking out about it does what?

Again, not saying they haven't or won't. Not arguing to string them up either. I'm stating we need to be far more proactive about not allowing their dangerous, extreme ideology in to our governments, schools, laws, businesses and societies in general. The universities may already be a lost cause, hopefully we can turn that around. 

 

'Freaking out'? Frankly as you can see in this thread, people in general are not nearly worried enough IMO. Watch some of those videos I posted. Look up Bret Weinstein and Jonathan Haidt while your at it. IMO 'freaking out' (which I don't think anyone is doing BTW) is far preferable than continuing to allowing creeping Marxism in to our society.

 

21 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I guess we could see more Marxist political parties forming under PR so maybe we should worry if that goes through. 

 

Thankfully, it doesn't appear that the very vocal, very active groups of extreme leftist people would reach the 5% threshold. It doesn't mean they can't have a disproportionate effect on the silent majority though.

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not me:

 

There's a good number of people, far more intellectual than I am, greatly (and rightly IMO) concerned about it. I don't know about you guys but I tend to listen when people smarter than me are talking. They might just have useful information.

 

More than one thing being bad doesn't mean we should be laissez faire about Marxism/communism/extreme leftism. Your obfuscating the point.

 

Again, not saying they haven't or won't. Not arguing to string them up either. I'm stating we need to be far more proactive about not allowing their dangerous, extreme ideology in to our governments, schools, laws, businesses and societies in general. The universities may already be a lost cause, hopefully we can turn that around. 

 

'Freaking out'? Frankly as you can see in this thread, people in general are not nearly worried enough IMO. Watch some of those videos I posted. Look up Bret Weinstein and Jonathan Haidt while your at it. IMO 'freaking out' (which I don't think anyone is doing BTW) is far preferable than continuing to allowing creeping Marxism in to our society.

 

Thankfully, it doesn't appear that the very vocal, very active groups of extreme leftist people would reach the 5% threshold. It doesn't mean they can't have a disproportionate effect on the silent majority though.

That is the one spot where I'm concerned about whats going on. No so much in the playing around with socialist concepts, but more in the active shutting down of free speech on campus, and also some campuses allowing themselves to be bullied into firing people, etc. Thats going way too far, and isn't producing better students at the end of it. How thats going to be resolved I'm not exactly sure, maybe a very expensive court case, but the bullying that does go on from the far left is too much. Is that Marxism in part? Or something totally new? 

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

That is the one spot where I'm concerned about whats going on. No so much in the playing around with socialist concepts, but more in the active shutting down of free speech on campus, and also some campuses allowing themselves to be bullied into firing people, etc. Thats going way too far, and isn't producing better students at the end of it. How thats going to be resolved I'm not exactly sure, maybe a very expensive court case, but the bullying that does go on from the far left is too much. Is that Marxism in part? Or something totally new? 

And your not worried about that leaking out in to the real world? Those people graduate and get jobs in media, governments, teaching in elementary schools etc. This isn't a problem isolated to universities. It may have started (indoctrination) there but...

 

Provincial charters of rights are already affecting real people, James Damore being fired from Google, Bret Weinstein being fired etc, etc

 

This isn't just a 'campus commie' problem.

[Lockout Casualty]

 

41 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I'm not worried whatsoever regarding how people perceive what I say because I can't help how people think, nor do I want to.

 

Not that I'm going to tell you how to raise your kids, but here's how I think you should raise your kids.......No thanks, Lockout. I don't need the random and vague ideas regarding child-rearing. I'm going to guess by your comment "stop worrying about how they do" that you might not have any children.

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. 

 

My daughter is almost 6 months.

 

41 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

How often during the day do you pat yourself on the back? Whenever the mood strikes you, or only for a captive audience? Only in the segmented and self-righteous world that exists now is respecting women and minorities a badge of honor. Back when I was growing up, it was called being a good person, neighbor, and member of a community.

I'm never not in the mood, let's leave it at that. 

 

I'm sure every misogynist thinks himself a good person, neighbour, and member of a community.

11 minutes ago, aGENT said:

There's a good number of people, far more intellectual than I am, greatly (and rightly IMO) concerned about it. I don't know about you guys but I tend to listen when people smarter than me are talking. They might just have useful information.

You say you listen to people smarter than you, but can you explain why you listen to a minority of them over the majority? I listen to people smarter than I, too. My people just disagree with your people and there are more of them. 

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

I'm sure every misogynist thinks himself a good person, neighbour, and member of a community.

You say you listen to people smarter than you, but can you explain why you listen to a minority of them over the majority? I listen to people smarter than I, too. My people just disagree with your people and there are more of them. 

'My people' are actually basing arguments on science, data, free speech, rights of the individual etc and not ideology that's killed tens of millions of people in the 20th century.

 

'You're people' are not the majority. They're the very vocal minority.

[bishopshodan]

5 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Firstly, that wasn't Elton's tune, it was the Beatles.

 

John Lennon wrote it after one of his kids (Julian, or Sean. Can't remember which) came home from school with a drawing of his friend Lucy flying and surrounded by stars. The picture was titled Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds. Lennon thought it made a good title. The rest of the lyrics come from Alice in Wonderland.

 

If you're looking for a song with drug references, Purple Haze, or White Rabbit are two good examples.

Didn't know this story,

So, he obviously knew that the acronym spelled out LSD and then wrote the lyrics based on a story that others have related to as a drug trip such as the song White Rabbit? Convenient.

 

Since nobody got upset about my posting of the Pogue's using the same 'F word' as Dire Straits and started discussing drug related songs ....here's my submission....

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. 

Well when you know it all.......

1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

My daughter is almost 6 months.

Congratulations. All the best to her. 

1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

I'm never not in the mood, let's leave it at that. 

So virtue signalling is an addiction or a crutch?

1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

I'm sure every misogynist thinks himself a good person, neighbour, and member of a community.

No, actually people who live and operate with respect for their fellow humans without needing applause or recognition for it, do. Perhaps that's a valuable lesson you could teach your daughter when you learn some humility. 

1 hour ago, Lockout Casualty said:

 

You say you listen to people smarter than you, but can you explain why you listen to a minority of them over the majority? I listen to people smarter than I, too. My people just disagree with your people and there are more of them. 

Of course it comes down to my people versus your people. That makes sense. What next with your people? "You are either with us or against us. There is no middle ground." Something like that?

[Lockout Casualty]

8 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Well when you know it all.......

Congratulations. All the best to her. 

So virtue signalling is an addiction or a crutch?

No, actually people who live and operate with respect for their fellow humans without needing applause or recognition for it, do. Perhaps that's a valuable lesson you could teach your daughter when you learn some humility. 

Of course it comes down to my people versus your people. That makes sense. What next with your people? "You are either with us or against us. There is no middle ground." Something like that?

Stahp, you're hurting my feelings.

 

You missed every other point I made, what's one more? Sure, something like that.

[PhillipBlunt]

3 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Stahp, you're hurting my feelings.

 

You missed every other point I made, what's one more? Sure, something like that.

I read every point, it's just that they're all self-service to your ideological bent. You must be a hit at universities. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

 

[HI5]

Baby need some friction so she don’t freeze.

[nucklehead]

13 hours ago, NucksPatsFan said:

Have a cup of coffee, it was a joke

yeah it's a joke but the problem is the whole world has suddenly lost its sense of humor