JM_ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 14 hours ago, aGENT said: And your not worried about that leaking out in to the real world? Those people graduate and get jobs in media, governments, teaching in elementary schools etc. This isn't a problem isolated to universities. It may have started (indoctrination) there but... Provincial charters of rights are already affecting real people, James Damore being fired from Google, Bret Weinstein being fired etc, etc This isn't just a 'campus commie' problem. No I'm really not. People play around with ideas in university a lot, and the only ones that really stick with hard core socialism are people who will never feel the effects of it, like tenured prof's. Google guy said a lot of stupid things to get himself fired, including that he didn't think women were as capable engineers as men. I wish he could meet my wife who happens to be P.Eng., she'd hand him his jewels back in a baggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I love Bill Shatner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: No I'm really not. People play around with ideas in university a lot, and the only ones that really stick with hard core socialism are people who will never feel the effects of it, like tenured prof's. Google guy said a lot of stupid things to get himself fired, including that he didn't think women were as capable engineers as men. I wish he could meet my wife who happens to be P.Eng., she'd hand him his jewels back in a baggie. Agree to disagree. What happens in universities we see reflected 5 years later in the real world as those people enter the work force, politics, media etc. And Universities are FAR more extreme left than they have ever been historically. We're already seeing signs of it IMO and I'd prefer we not continue to throw ourselves down that slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: No I'm really not. People play around with ideas in university a lot, and the only ones that really stick with hard core socialism are people who will never feel the effects of it, like tenured prof's. Google guy said a lot of stupid things to get himself fired, including that he didn't think women were as capable engineers as men. I wish he could meet my wife who happens to be P.Eng., she'd hand him his jewels back in a baggie. So a lawyer and an engineer and in another thread he claims he can't afford a tesla. You bloody 1%er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: I love Bill Shatner haha, bit defensive about the original Star Trek series maybe? I always wondered if Kirk's replicator had a roofie setting.... Those beautiful space ladies were way out of girdle boy's league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Agree to disagree. What happens in universities we see reflected 5 years later in the real world as those people enter the work force, politics, media etc. And Universities are FAR more extreme left than they have ever been historically. We're already seeing signs of it IMO and I'd prefer we not continue to throw ourselves down that slippery slope. yeah I think we've reached that point. Who knows, a few years from now I could be standing on a bread line thinking, damnit, aGENT was right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: yeah I think we've reached that point. Who knows, a few years from now I could be standing on a bread line thinking, damnit, aGENT was right! When did you go to Uni? I'm guessing your'e thinking it's roughly the same scale as it was when you attended and it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: When did you go to Uni? I'm guessing your'e thinking it's roughly the same scale as it was when you attended and it's not. not gonna say. But people were still wearing parachute pants. My daughter is in 2nd year arts now, we yap all the time about what she's being told. To me it sounds very similar but of course I'm not in the room. My wife has been working at a post-secondary college for years and is currently doing her phd in social sciences (big step for a P.Eng!) so I hear a lot about what she's learning, so I'm kind of surrounded by it. According to the wife, the big change hasn't been marxism per se, more of a sensitivity around gender issues. The big thing they wanted her to focus on is research transparency but this of course is just one person at one school. IMO whats driving a resurgence of socialism isn't #metoo, its income inequality. Thats a capitalist, right wing created problem thats directly effecting millennial's and younger people who see that and know things like home ownership isn't going to happen for them. I'd be mad too. Even without metoo we'd be seeing a socialist reaction to income inequality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: According to the wife, the big change hasn't been marxism per se, more of a sensitivity around gender issues. But it's all part of the same stew. 'Gender issues' may be the particular trigger du jour but the dogmatism, group-think, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, crusader mentality, attack on free speech etc, etc are all hallmarks. And they have no place in institutions devoted to higher learning. Yet they are both prevalent and increasing. 31 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: IMO whats driving a resurgence of socialism isn't #metoo, its income inequality. Thats a capitalist, right wing created problem thats directly effecting millennial's and younger people who see that and know things like home ownership isn't going to happen for them. I'd be mad too. Even without metoo we'd be seeing a socialist reaction to income inequality. Income inequality of who? By what measure? The gap between rich and poor is certainly expanding in North America but globally poverty has reduced more and faster over the last 20 years than any other time in human history. There's is less poverty, starvation etc in the world now than any time in history despite increased global population. And we largely have capitalism/western society to thank for that. And even the poor in North America fall in to the richest 1% globally still. North America has a priority and corruption problem, not a capitalism/right wing problem. Turning to murderous extreme left (or right) ideology is not going to correct that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: But it's all part of the same stew. 'Gender issues' may be the particular trigger du jour but the dogmatism, group-think, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, crusader mentality, attack on free speech etc, etc are all hallmarks. And they have no place in institutions devoted to higher learning. Yet they are both prevalent and increasing. Income inequality of who? By what measure? The gap between rich and poor is certainly expanding in North America but globally poverty has reduced more and faster over the last 20 years than any other time in human history. There's is less poverty, starvation etc in the world now than any time in history despite increased global population. And we largely have capitalism/western society to thank for that. And even the poor in North America fall in to the richest 1% globally still. North America has a priority and corruption problem, not a capitalism/right wing problem. Turning to murderous extreme left (or right) ideology is not going to correct that. No, but I can understand why some people find it attractive if they've been screwed over by capitalism. Not saying they're correct, but it makes some sense. I don't think its all the same "stew" there have been legitimate gains in human rights over the years thanks to people thinking a bit left of centre. And a few on the right too (Mulroney e..g.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: No, but I can understand why some people find it attractive if they've been screwed over by capitalism. Not saying they're correct, but it makes some sense. I don't think its all the same "stew" there have been legitimate gains in human rights over the years thanks to people thinking a bit left of centre. And a few on the right too (Mulroney e..g.) Again, who's been 'screwed by capitalism'? Everyone in North America qualifies as part of the global 1%. That doesn't sound screwed. The problems we're seeing aren't from capitalism, they're from corruption and shortsightedness. Things like bailouts for banks. That's not capitalism. Capitalism would have let them fail and arrested a few of the ring leaders. And no, if you know anything of the horrors of the 20th century because of the extreme left ideas they're calling for, it doesn't 'make some sense'. 'A bit left of centre' is not the problem. I'm 'a bit left of centre'. A bit right of centre isn't the problem either. Those are the vast, silent majority. Marxism, equality of outcome, attack on individual sovereignty and free speech are not 'a bit left of centre'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Again, who's been 'screwed by capitalism'? Everyone in North America qualifies as part of the global 1%. That doesn't sound screwed. The problems we're seeing aren't from capitalism, they're from corruption and shortsightedness. Things like bailouts for banks. That's not capitalism. Capitalism would have let them fail and arrested a few of the ring leaders. And no, if you know anything of the horrors of the 20th century because of the extreme left ideas they're calling for, it doesn't 'make some sense'. 'A bit left of centre' is not the problem. I'm 'a bit left of centre'. A bit right of centre isn't the problem either. Those are the vast, silent majority. Marxism, equality of outcome, attack on individual sovereignty and free speech are not 'a bit left of centre'. oh come on, you can't tell me that real wages being stagnant, access to too much, debt, etc. isn't causing harm. But you have a point, bailing out companies isn't actually capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: oh come on, you can't tell me that real wages being stagnant, access to too much, debt, etc. isn't causing harm. But you have a point, bailing out companies isn't actually capitalism. I didn't say that. I said it's not the fault of capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, aGENT said: I didn't say that. I said it's not the fault of capitalism. whether it is or isn't, a lot of people will blame it. IMO economics (or perceived economics) is the bigger driver behind a rise in marxism, if its really rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 So it is not the fault of capitalism, just the way it is working now. But it would be the fault of Marxism, if it was working now? I can't be the only person seeing a problem with this logic can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 So Baby is a capitalist now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: So Baby is a capitalist now? baby knows how her bread is buttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 6:00 PM, Dazzle said: I gotta say, I'm not that much of a fan of this song, mostly because I don't think it sounds all that great musically. But, critics are saying that this song promotes predatory behaviour. https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/canadian-radio-stations-baby-it-s-cold-outside-1.4931867 And as a result, Rogers and CBC are pulling that song off their playlist. For me, I really couldn't care less with regards to hearing it on the radio. BUT I will say that people who think that the song is 'dangerous' for people to listen to is seriously out to lunch. What kind of a goddamn world are we living in now? I bet that if I defend this song, I'm suddenly going to be called a predator and someone who doesn't understand what an abused victim thinks about it. This is SO absurd. We need a complete overhaul of this whole "political correctness" garbage. Is this seriously how we're going to be passing our time now? Nitpicking on anthem lyrics and pulling a song off the radio due to some misguided attempt to save society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 7:07 AM, Jimmy McGill said: I love Bill Shatner You need people like this that have to speak out about the monstrosity they call 'political correctness'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 12/14/2018 at 7:32 PM, Jimmy McGill said: baby knows how her bread is buttered. FYI, credit card companies are now getting in to the Orwellian censorship game now thanks to this whole extreme left/SJW nonsense. Still think it's just contained to college campuses and Christmas music? https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA751CA751&ei=yd8vXPCzKYP19APHj7PABw&q=credit+card+companies+censorship&oq=credit+card+companies+censoship&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.33i160.405547.406050..407755...0.0..0.97.307.4......0....1..gws-wiz.5WWIPIES4H8 I do not like or agree with a lot of things some of these people say but I fervently support their right to free speech as one of the foundations of free society and it is HEAVILY under fire right now which is EXTREMELY dangerous for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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