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Toews Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, smokes said: In Canada, it depends on your skin color and where you are on the social ladder. Look at the amount of missing women on Main and Hastings that still have not been found because people don't care. Many Natives are still fighting to keep the reserves that the government gave them in the first place. What bugs me is that when anything about China comes up everyone starts talking about it's human rights record. I don't hear about Canadians complain about the human rights abuses in the US. Things like there are more people locked up in the US than any other countries, that there are kids locked up in adult jails. If Canadians are going to talk about China's human rights record in this situation then it is only fair to drag the US's in with it. There is a thread that is going to hit a million views on the US. We have discussed just about every human rights abuse committed by the current US government. If anything the US has been closely scrutinized and we have largely ignored China on CDC. Edited December 8, 2018 by Toews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DonLever Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 How can anyone compare China's horrendous human rights record to Canada's or the US is astounding. Are they that ignorant of history? Under Chairman Mao, 45 Million people died under the Great Leap Forward, 1958-1962. Three million more were killed during the Cultural Revolution of the late 1960's. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html "State retribution for tiny thefts, such as stealing a potato, even by a child, would include being tied up and thrown into a pond; parents were forced to bury their children alive or were doused in excrement and urine, others were set alight, or had a nose or ear cut off. One record shows how a man was branded with hot metal. People were forced to work naked in the middle of winter; 80 per cent of all the villagers in one region of a quarter of a million Chinese were banned from the official canteen because they were too old or ill to be effective workers, so were deliberately starved to death." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 hours ago, smokes said: How can you say that? Do you know how many Chinese people died just building that railroad? Also at the end of building the railroad, most of the workers did not even get paid. Do you even understand the amount of families that were shattered because of the head tax? Hundreds of thousands were destroyed. Then let's look at when the Canadian government threw many Chinese people in concentration camps with the Japanese and left them there for years. Everything they owned got confiscated and taken away. It's not to the same level to you because it did not impact you and your people. But with all due respect, please do not diminish the impact it had on our people. I have been in China for a few years now and I have travelled to the places people talk about, and from my own eyes, I can say it is not as bad as many people talk about. No one talks about the muslim communities that are well off because people only want to hear about the bad stuff. There is a thriving Canadian presence here as well which I happen to be a part of, with the amount of Canadians that have actually been to China and back to Canada, how many of those do you hear say many bad things about it once they've been there. The story that millions of citizens are going missing or being murdered by the government...seriously...MILLIONS?...That's a genocide right there, if that was seriously happening right now, the whole world, all news outlets, everything would be put on hold and everyone in the world would be talking about it. No matter how powerful a government is, it is damn near impossible to do that in such a scale without more storyies and pictures and all of that leaking out. Not in this day and age. If that is really happening, this whole Trump reality show...no one would care. The terrorist groups would be decrying this and posting stuff all over the internet if that story was true. You need to learn Chinese history, I'm sure your government censors that but just google mao and see how many people died under him. I don't think it's any surprise why millions upon millions of Chinese people have left that dictatorship for Countries like Canada, US, Australia, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, Toews said: There is a thread that is going to hit a million views on the US. We have discussed just about every human rights abuse committed by the current US government. If anything the US has been closely scrutinized and we have largely ignored China on CDC. And largely ignored human rights violations under Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc, etc. No doubt the US is a major human rights violator but nothing compared to China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: And largely ignored human rights violations under Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc, etc. No doubt the US is a major human rights violator but nothing compared to China. I would say this is your selective memory in action. Every once in a while we get a "centrist" trying to convince us that Trump is the exact same as previous Presidents. Those flimsy arguments were debunked as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: You need to learn Chinese history, I'm sure your government censors that but just google mao and see how many people died under him. I don't think it's any surprise why millions upon millions of Chinese people have left that dictatorship for Countries like Canada, US, Australia, etc. They censor google heavily to the point you dont even want to use google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, Toews said: I would say this is your selective memory in action. Every once in a while we get a "centrist" trying to convince us that Trump is the exact same as previous Presidents. Those flimsy arguments were debunked as well. I'm not saying he is the same but pretty well every US President is responsible for human rights violations over the last 70 years but you only pointed to Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 55 minutes ago, Violator said: They censor google heavily to the point you dont even want to use google. I heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: I'm not saying he is the same but pretty well every US President is responsible for human rights violations over the last 70 years but you only pointed to Trump. When did I do that? @smokes said we weren't discussing the US's human rights violations and I specifically pointed out that we were doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: I heard that. Protectionism is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Toews said: When did I do that? @smokes said we weren't discussing the US's human rights violations and I specifically pointed out that we were doing just that. 2 hours ago, Toews said: There is a thread that is going to hit a million views on the US. We have discussed just about every human rights abuse committed by the current US government. If anything the US has been closely scrutinized and we have largely ignored China on CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: How does that prove that I only pointed at Trump? Nowhere in that post have I blamed Trump for actions that preceded him getting into office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Toews said: How does that prove that I only pointed at Trump? Nowhere in that post have I blamed Trump for actions that preceded him getting into office. Lol are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: I'm not saying he is the same but pretty well every US President is responsible for human rights violations over the last 70 years but you only pointed to Trump. Jimmy Carter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, Alflives said: Jimmy Carter? Carter threatened to nuke Russia. He also armed the Mujahadeen did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Carter threatened to nuke Russia. He also armed the Mujahadeen did he not? Most of the weapons were shipped under Reagan’s two terms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, CBH1926 said: Most of the weapons were shipped under Reagan’s two terms. Oh ok. I'm still willing to bet the US did bad stuff under his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 China calls on Canada to free Huawei CFO or face consequences https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei/china-calls-on-canada-to-free-huawei-cfo-or-face-consequences-idUSKBN1O70HU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Oh ok. I'm still willing to bet the US did bad stuff under his watch. Carter initiated the program in 1979 but he was out of the office in 1980. Originally they included non leathal equipment and other countries sending weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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