Oiler are they good enough?

[King Heffy]

They still lack veteran leadership other than Lucic, who can only teach them how to be gutless pieces of trash.  It's hard to build a winning culture when your only veteran is a classless coward who's a negative influence on the young guys.  Not worried about that joke of an organization having success any time soon.

[YEGCanuck]

My guess is the Oil make the playoffs this year. If their opponent plays smart hockey they will shadow McD (not an easy task) as much as humanly possible, give him little room and time  to operate and generally punish him. He has to be made to pay a serious price. On the penalty kill, commit one man to him, and let the other 3 defend against four Oilers.

[higgyfan]

Best case scenario...Flames take them out in the first round.  Flames are a better team overall; so are the Preds, Jets and Avs. 

[The Great Canucks]

18 minutes ago, GritGrinder said:

What the hell are you even talking about? I responded to a post about goal scoring and it wasn't even your post. Then you start whining about where the 2 teams are at in terms of the organization and re-building. You are literally the definition of a troll right now. You respond to a post that didn't even include you and then try and change the subject and then get all whiny. Trolling defined.

The only troll here is you. My reply was perfectly reasonable. You are just incapable of handling the facts because you have proven in other threads that you love trashing the Canucks for some reason. You are in no position to be calling others a troll, troll.

[Alflives]

25 minutes ago, GritGrinder said:

What the hell are you even talking about? I responded to a post about goal scoring and it wasn't even your post. Then you start whining about where the 2 teams are at in terms of the organization and re-building. You are literally the definition of a troll right now. You respond to a post that didn't even include you and then try and change the subject and then get all whiny. Trolling defined.

Aren’t posts in open forum considered to be for everyone?  You’re clearly an Oiler fan, and that’s okay.  You should defend your players.  I said when Hitch was hired, he’d get the Oilers going, and he has.  

[Industrious1]

With McDavid playing a third to almost half the game...not sure if that is a sustainable formula.

 

That much TOI, you know some coaches are going to be looking to punish him physically on those longer shifts.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Industrious1

[The_Rocket]

this is a three player team. they go as far as McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH take them. mostly McDavid and Draisaitl. ...okay, mostly McDavid.

[The_Rocket]

1 hour ago, GritGrinder said:

That's a lame response and strawman at best. Forget where "experts" and "pundits" say the 2 teams "should be". Answer the question...if the Oilers are having scoring problems and have a similar goal total to the Canucks then why aren't the Canucks viewed as having goal scoring problems?

the canucks do have goal scoring problems. both teams are in the bottom half of the league in goals for per game. the difference between the two teams is one can see a future where Vancouvers goal scoring improves (better puck moving D in quinn hughes, another high pick this year, enough cap space to acquire a scorer, etc.) Oilers have two of the top 15 scorers in the league but are still one of the bottom teams in goals for. they have no cap space and no prospect pipeline outside of maybe bouchard. maybe the get a high draft pick this year but it seems more like they'll be in the middle. 

 

Canucks goal scoring problems will likely be solved in the future, which is why they're not talked about very much

 

oilers goal scoring is so bad the rely on Chiasson as a top line winger

[xereau]

They are good but they still have shaky goal tending and shallow D.  They will collapse in the 2nd round probably.

[Jaku]

No. They're depth is horrid and their D is atrocious. Maybe fake their way through the season and make it as a wild card team but they're not good enough to make a splash in the playoffs.

[6string]

Edmonton can quickly fall on hard times once again if their goaltending fails for any stretch of time.

 

They will be in dead water, stay tuned.

Edited December 13, 2018 by 6string

[Sean Monahan]

3 hours ago, GritGrinder said:

That's a lame response and strawman at best. Forget where "experts" and "pundits" say the 2 teams "should be". Answer the question...if the Oilers are having scoring problems and have a similar goal total to the Canucks then why aren't the Canucks viewed as having goal scoring problems?

The difference is Edmonton is being discussed as a potential playoff team while Vancouver is being discussed a potential lottery team 

[MikeBossy]

I'll say this - would I love to have the Oilers roster instead of the Canucks? Maybe when they first got McDavid as I would rather have Trader Jim in charge of my team than Chiarelli. Pete's made one decent move and it was a free agent signing of Koskinen - he traded away Eberle and Hall for what again? The original question was are the Oilers good enough and based on what I have read most of the posters in this thread believe they will make the playoffs BUT they rely way too much on McDavid and once you get past the 1st line you really only have Nugent Hopkins to contribute to the offence. And you have a 6 million player on a NTC who has contributed nothing to the offensive output and plays 3rd line now. Goals become even harder to score in the playoffs and the Oilers also do not have a lot depth on D. To me this does not bode well come playoffs.

[tas]

On 12/12/2018 at 6:30 PM, GritGrinder said:

That's a lame response and strawman at best. Forget where "experts" and "pundits" say the 2 teams "should be". Answer the question...if the Oilers are having scoring problems and have a similar goal total to the Canucks then why aren't the Canucks viewed as having goal scoring problems?

the canucks have scored way more goals than they were expected to, and the oilers have scored way less. it's pretty cut and dry. 

[Rob_Zepp]

On 12/12/2018 at 9:08 PM, Sean Monahan said:

The difference is Edmonton is being discussed as a potential playoff team while Vancouver is being discussed a potential lottery team 

Pacific	GP	W	L	OT	PTS	ROW	GF	GA	DIFF	HOME	AWAY	S/O	L10	STRK	Last Game	Next Game
1  z-Calgary	82	50	25	7	107	50	289	227	+62	26-10-5	24-15-2	0-4	6-4-0	L2	Apr 19: CGY 1 - COL 5
2  x-San Jose	82	46	27	9	101	46	289	261	+28	25-11-5	21-16-4	0-3	3-6-1	W2	May 21: SJS 1 - STL 5
3  x-Vegas	82	43	32	7	93	40	249	230	+19	24-12-5	19-20-2	3-2	3-5-2	L2	Apr 23: VGK 4 - SJS 5
4  Arizona	82	39	35	8	86	35	213	223	-10	20-17-4	19-18-4	4-3	3-5-2	L1	Apr 6: ARI 2 - WPG 4
5  Vancouver	82	35	36	11	81	29	225	254	-29	20-16-5	15-20-6	6-6	5-4-1	OT1	Apr 6: VAN 2 - STL 3
6  Anaheim	82	35	37	10	80	32	199	251	-52	19-14-8	16-23-2	3-3	7-2-1	W3	Apr 5: ANA 5 - LAK 2
7  Edmonton	82	35	38	9	79	32	232	274	-42	18-19-4	17-19-5	3-3	3-5-2	W1	Apr 6: EDM 3 - CGY 1
8  Los Angeles	82	31	42	9	71	28	202	263	-61	17-21-3	14-21-6	3-4	6-3-1	W1	Apr 6: LAK 5 - VGK 2

Pacific
1  z-Calgary
2  x-San Jose
3  x-Vegas
4  Arizona
5  Vancouver
6  Anaheim
7  Edmonton
8  Los Angeles

[Sean Monahan]

@Rob_Zepp not sure what your point is here. 

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Pacific	GP	W	L	OT	PTS	ROW	GF	GA	DIFF	HOME	AWAY	S/O	L10	STRK	Last Game	Next Game
1  z-Calgary	82	50	25	7	107	50	289	227	+62	26-10-5	24-15-2	0-4	6-4-0	L2	Apr 19: CGY 1 - COL 5
2  x-San Jose	82	46	27	9	101	46	289	261	+28	25-11-5	21-16-4	0-3	3-6-1	W2	May 21: SJS 1 - STL 5
3  x-Vegas	82	43	32	7	93	40	249	230	+19	24-12-5	19-20-2	3-2	3-5-2	L2	Apr 23: VGK 4 - SJS 5
4  Arizona	82	39	35	8	86	35	213	223	-10	20-17-4	19-18-4	4-3	3-5-2	L1	Apr 6: ARI 2 - WPG 4
5  Vancouver	82	35	36	11	81	29	225	254	-29	20-16-5	15-20-6	6-6	5-4-1	OT1	Apr 6: VAN 2 - STL 3
6  Anaheim	82	35	37	10	80	32	199	251	-52	19-14-8	16-23-2	3-3	7-2-1	W3	Apr 5: ANA 5 - LAK 2
7  Edmonton	82	35	38	9	79	32	232	274	-42	18-19-4	17-19-5	3-3	3-5-2	W1	Apr 6: EDM 3 - CGY 1
8  Los Angeles	82	31	42	9	71	28	202	263	-61	17-21-3	14-21-6	3-4	6-3-1	W1	Apr 6: LAK 5 - VGK 2

Pacific
1  z-Calgary
2  x-San Jose
3  x-Vegas
4  Arizona
5  Vancouver
6  Anaheim
7  Edmonton
8  Los Angeles

The only way Edmonton has any chance of making the playoffs is if we implement Euro soccer-style relegation and put the Oilers in the league they belong in: the AHL.  Even then, they're a bubble team.

[Rob_Zepp]

3 hours ago, Sean Monahan said:

@Rob_Zepp not sure what your point is here. 

They were not good enough - it was clear before the season started to pretty much everyone.

[Sean Monahan]

2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

They were not good enough - it was clear before the season started to pretty much everyone.

Just about every prediction piece I can find had them finishing much better than they did. People seemed to get that they weren’t as good as they showed in 2016-17, but nobody thought they’d do as poorly as they did this year. The consensus was that they were a playoff team or at least a team vying for a spot, which is what I said. Thanks, once again, for digging up an old post in an attempt to make me look like a dumb***. Just save it next time. 

[Rob_Zepp]

22 hours ago, Sean Monahan said:

Just about every prediction piece I can find had them finishing much better than they did. People seemed to get that they weren’t as good as they showed in 2016-17, but nobody thought they’d do as poorly as they did this year. The consensus was that they were a playoff team or at least a team vying for a spot, which is what I said. Thanks, once again, for digging up an old post in an attempt to make me look like a dumb***. Just save it next time. 

Nope, a lot of us predicted them to crash and burn these last two years.   There was "consensus" they were a playoff team with people who really know the game as they had one of the shallowest teams in the league.   Without McDavid they were a borderline AHL team.   If you want to look dumb, knock yourself out.