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1 hour ago, EdgarM said:

I am with you Alf I think we would all love that "one more good player" mentality but I have seen great players get nullified in the playoffs or get injured. So, the TEAM "character" is far more integral to post season success. We have all heard that defense wins championships and defense comes from the entire team in IMO. You can have a great player such as a Tavares, McDavid, Crosby etc. but if your goalie is not up to snuff or you have key injuries to a player such as an Edler, then 1 or 2 great players are going to do you no good.

I like the Vegas model where you have a good system and everybody buys into it. No great players just a lot of good "character" players.

And in the Cap era those great players eat up a ton of salary.  Do the Oilers even have a chance of building a team full of those "character" guys that you mention, when McDavid and Draisatl eat up over 20 million?  I look at the Leafs now too.  They have this season to win, and then what are they going to do as their other young guys start eating up huge cap dollars?  I team does need a couple top notch players to win a Cup it seems, but their salaries can't eat up too much of the cap.  

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47 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And in the Cap era those great players eat up a ton of salary.  Do the Oilers even have a chance of building a team full of those "character" guys that you mention, when McDavid and Draisatl eat up over 20 million?  I look at the Leafs now too.  They have this season to win, and then what are they going to do as their other young guys start eating up huge cap dollars?  I team does need a couple top notch players to win a Cup it seems, but their salaries can't eat up too much of the cap.  

I am seeing that trend too. Chicago has that problem too and ended up losing Panarin was it?

Goal scoring in the playoffs usually comes from those "character" players and they can come from anywhere in the lineup. Remember Burrows? Greg Adams?

I think guys put too much emphasis on having this many draft picks or they have to be a top 5 pick etc. etc.

It is a TEAM game afterall.

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11 hours ago, EdgarM said:

I am seeing that trend too. Chicago has that problem too and ended up losing Panarin was it?

Goal scoring in the playoffs usually comes from those "character" players and they can come from anywhere in the lineup. Remember Burrows? Greg Adams?

I think guys put too much emphasis on having this many draft picks or they have to be a top 5 pick etc. etc.

It is a TEAM game afterall.

Benn quite awhile since a "cult" won, the NJD, since then most teams have more than one elite forward and a stud dman.

Pitt - cup winner - Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Kessel

Chicago - cup winner - Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrooke

LA - cup winner - Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter,

 

That pretty much makes up for the last decade, most of those teams had well over half their cap wrapped up in star players salaries.

Chicago also lost Byfuglin, Campbell, Saad and others.

 

PO performers - Claude Lemeiux, Torres, Wilson, Reeves, there ARE lots of guys that come up big in the playoffs, the team needs the stars to get the team to the playoffs and character to win the playoffs, but they don't get there without the stars.

 

Playoff could still happen, just not real probable. 25th

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8 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Benn quite awhile since a "cult" won, the NJD, since then most teams have more than one elite forward and a stud dman.

Pitt - cup winner - Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Kessel

Chicago - cup winner - Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrooke

LA - cup winner - Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter,

 

That pretty much makes up for the last decade, most of those teams had well over half their cap wrapped up in star players salaries.

Chicago also lost Byfuglin, Campbell, Saad and others.

 

PO performers - Claude Lemeiux, Torres, Wilson, Reeves, there ARE lots of guys that come up big in the playoffs, the team needs the stars to get the team to the playoffs and character to win the playoffs, but they don't get there without the stars.

 

Playoff could still happen, just not real probable. 25th

"most teams have more than one elite forward and a stud dman." - Most teams have a goalie and a coach too what's your point?

"the team needs the stars to get the team to the playoffs and character to win the playoffs" - So with your 2 statements here what were Vegas's  players that follow your criteria? Tatar was a late addition and I would argue that Fleury had a more influence on their success then any of the players you suggest above.

I would argue that a teams ability to adapt to their opponents strategies is who will be successful. Do they have to play against a fast , transitional team? Do they have to contend with a heavy hitting, aggressive team? Do we have to contend with a hard working team who are relentless on the puck? 

If we cannot adapt to these styles, we will not be successful no matter what players we have on the team.

Peteys success comes from the ability to overcome what ever strategy a team throws at him, he does not shy away from aggressive play. The Sedins? Get rough with them or tighten your check on them and they become less effective(i.e. 2011 Boston). 

All superstars are not built the same! Those who can adapt are the most successful and this will carry them into the playoffs.

With the players not so gifted offensively they can help with those hard working , relentless teams and help with the defensive side of the game(i.e. PK duties). This is where Vegas excelled at. 

So just needing these top tiered elite players is a farce. They only add an additional piece to the puzzle which is an eventual championship TEAM, not just  a "more than one elite forward and a stud dman" composition that you are alluding to.

 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, EdgarM said:

I am seeing that trend too. Chicago has that problem too and ended up losing Panarin was it?

Goal scoring in the playoffs usually comes from those "character" players and they can come from anywhere in the lineup. Remember Burrows? Greg Adams?

I think guys put too much emphasis on having this many draft picks or they have to be a top 5 pick etc. etc.

It is a TEAM game afterall.

To be fair with more picks you might improve your chances at getting NHLers on cheaper contracts (at least while the are more cost controlled before they are UFA eligible).  Cheaper than bidding in the overpriced free agency market.  Frankly I still don’t fully trust this team’s pro scouting yet.

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The Playoffs are not going to happen....this team is still very much a WORK IN PROGRESS.......take away whatever positives that we can....EP and Marky....and pray that JB does something with what he has....but he can't do much when you have nothing 

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Well, suddenly the Canucks are six points out of the wildcard:

 

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With no immediate help in sight from the injured players, the next four days could well seal it with games against the Ducks, Avs, and Coyotes.  The way things are tracking, they could well be second-last in the conference by Thursday.  Benning has repeatedly said they have a plan in place and are not moving from it, so it would seem the current situation may not have any effect on what happens in the next 15 hours.

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1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said:

Well, suddenly the Canucks are six points out of the wildcard:

 

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With no immediate help in sight from the injured players, the next four days could well seal it with games against the Ducks, Avs, and Coyotes.  The way things are tracking, they could well be second-last in the conference by Thursday.  Benning has repeatedly said they have a plan in place and are not moving from it, so it would seem the current situation may not have any effect on what happens in the next 15 hours.

Unless we go 3-0 and get some help it's done. Slim at best, was a good run while it lasted. 

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1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:

Well, suddenly the Canucks are six points out of the wildcard:

 

image.png.8c63a306db1d0f36e63eb5839c3b5490.png

 

With no immediate help in sight from the injured players, the next four days could well seal it with games against the Ducks, Avs, and Coyotes.  The way things are tracking, they could well be second-last in the conference by Thursday.  Benning has repeatedly said they have a plan in place and are not moving from it, so it would seem the current situation may not have any effect on what happens in the next 15 hours.

 

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Unless we go 3-0 and get some help it's done. Slim at best, was a good run while it lasted. 

I have said before the season started that we would only be in the playoffs if we were healthy. This is the second bout of key injuries this year. For the past 3-4 years this is what has brought us down in the standings which misrepresents our true potential. This is when the Tankers come out and say "I told you so, this team sucks". Why can't the injuries come to players such as Pouliot, Schaller or Ericksson? Kidding.::D

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And just like that, we are done.  It was a good run though, I like the job green has done and thank God for petterson.  

 

Kind of annoyed by Edler and Tanev, hurt again at critical times.  

 

Jim needs to get creative tomorrow.

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We might be the only rebuilding team standing pat on deadline day. I didn’t think anything would get done with the injuries and Bennings statements of just looking for “hockey trades to be competitive down the stretch”. It was a mere dream of having more picks in a Vancouver draft. However deadline day trades or not we’re not a playoff team.

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27th Feb.. 19 games remaining. Dallas or Minnesota have the wild card spots. Assuming that one of them finishes the season @ .500, it means the 'nucks must go 12-6-1 to end our season. This also assumes that Chicago, Arizona, Colorado or even the mighty Oilers don't get red hot ! ( it's early, my math may be suspect ! )

 

PS........yes, I know, you should never 'assume' !

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If only :

the PP could score, 

Hutton wasn’t our top defenceman,

the Coyote’s didn’t dominate us,

 The Canucks didn’t lose 10 straight in November,

and those never ending injuries. 

 

I have no no idea how it’s even close enough to entertain the idea of playoffs.

 

I’m sure we’ll be better when Sutter gets back . ^_^

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Canucks WiILL make the playoffs, someday, it’s just not this season.

 

canucks are not the coilers . But they are the Canucks. 

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