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3 hours ago, Boudrias said:

It won't stop with AB. 

yes, it will. SK and MN won't follow, BC can't get the votes and you won't be able to split the province in 1/2. 

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The moment basic facts are called made up nonsense.

 

You know you're dealing with a special kind of individual.

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10 hours ago, Warhippy said:

The moment basic facts are called made up nonsense.

 

You know you're dealing with a special kind of individual.

The only special individual is you. Remember when you definitively said the trans Canada was the responsibility of the feds?:lol:

 

The issue with what you call facts is they aren't facts it's hippies made up garbage. You were discussing the feds, you got beat so you switched to provincial. It's the same everytime with you, you spew made up nonsense, I correct you and it moves on it's annoying. 

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The Liberals are socialist. When the collective good supersedes individual liberty I object. This process disenfranchises the citizen and abrogates individual responsibility. Socialism has a regular habit of descending into totalitarianism.    

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

The Liberals are socialist. When the collective good supersedes individual liberty I object. This process disenfranchises the citizen and abrogates individual responsibility. Socialism has a regular habit of descending into totalitarianism.    

what are you getting at specifically now? what individual liberty do you think you've lost?

 

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4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

The Liberals are socialist. When the collective good supersedes individual liberty I object. This process disenfranchises the citizen and abrogates individual responsibility. Socialism has a regular habit of descending into totalitarianism.    

So....ok lemme just take a set back here.

 

What exactly have you lost for rights?  The individual liberty that has been supplanted for the greater good?  Which liberty or liberties do you speak of?  Totalitarianism?  Sorry, remind me how capitalism has worked for the last 12 years with socialism being ok'd and generally accepted for major billion dollar profiting corporations that have been unable to live without massive cash infusions or tax breaks from taxpayers while the tax payers effectively get nothing in return.

 

You claim the Liberals are socialist, yet prior to and from the COVID crisis, the largest transfers of tax dollars to businesses have occurred under Conservative governments since 2008.  

 

Why is it only socialism when it suits the argument of the moment but not the narrative or the facts?

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5 hours ago, Boudrias said:

The Liberals are socialist. When the collective good supersedes individual liberty I object. This process disenfranchises the citizen and abrogates individual responsibility. Socialism has a regular habit of descending into totalitarianism.    

If socialism is so bad according to you, then:

 

When your house is on fire, you put it out yourself, dont call the fire department. 

 

When you need to go somewhere,  you don't use public roads, transit, airports.

 

If you're sick, no public healthcare here is Canada. 

 

I could go on with examples of socialism that forms the backbone of our society.   Socialism that you enjoy.  

 

So do tell us, specifically, what socialism you object to.   I'm sure those goalposts are way off in the distance. 

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41 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

If socialism is so bad according to you, then:

 

When your house is on fire, you put it out yourself, dont call the fire department. 

 

When you need to go somewhere,  you don't use public roads, transit, airports.

 

If you're sick, no public healthcare here is Canada. 

 

I could go on with examples of socialism that forms the backbone of our society.   Socialism that you enjoy.  

 

So do tell us, specifically, what socialism you object to.   I'm sure those goalposts are way off in the distance. 

Every single country in the world is socialist, hey?

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12 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Every single country in the world is socialist, hey?

Well, people like yourself can never seem to understand that socialism is not the evil that it gets made out to be.  Also, people like yourself rarely ever point to where the socialism they enjoy stops and the socialism they despise begins.  Usually it amounts to pennies on the dollar when compared to other forms of socialism people like yourself have nothing to say about.  This latter part I'm referring to is the corporate bailouts for the oil and gas industry you keep crowing about. 

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, people like yourself can never seem to understand that socialism is not the evil that it gets made out to be.  Also, people like yourself rarely ever point to where the socialism they enjoy stops and the socialism they despise begins.  Usually it amounts to pennies on the dollar when compared to other forms of socialism people like yourself have nothing to say about.  This latter part I'm referring to is the corporate bailouts for the oil and gas industry you keep crowing about. 

a strong social safety net isn't "socialism" its actually good business. The better a country's safety net is, the more wealth it has. 

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3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

 

 

Why is it only socialism when it suits the argument of the moment but not the narrative or the facts?

 

it reminds me of when some on the right complain about good paying union jobs, as if thats a bad thing. Good paying union jobs are loved by the banks for mortgage lending. The auto sector has more people to sell cars to. Etc. etc. Its like the ideology gets in the way of looking at who spends on what to keep the economy rolling. 

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2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

If socialism is so bad according to you, then:

 

When your house is on fire, you put it out yourself, dont call the fire department. 

 

When you need to go somewhere,  you don't use public roads, transit, airports.

 

If you're sick, no public healthcare here is Canada. 

 

I could go on with examples of socialism that forms the backbone of our society.   Socialism that you enjoy.  

 

So do tell us, specifically, what socialism you object to.   I'm sure those goalposts are way off in the distance. 

Ah... the classic confusion of a listing a few social programs and thinking it equals socialism.  Talk about at massive facepalm, it's even more hilarious when people ike posts like this. @gurn. bahaha.  It's funny because despite this line of thinking being completely false, it's often the basis for so many on the left (and right) on why they love (and hate) socialism.  Imagine having your entire political leanings foundation based off a misconception of an ideology you have.  Don't worry, you aren't the only one.

 

@Ryan Strome, I truly don't know why you bother, 

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26 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

it reminds me of when some on the right complain about good paying union jobs, as if thats a bad thing. Good paying union jobs are loved by the banks for mortgage lending. The auto sector has more people to sell cars to. Etc. etc. Its like the ideology gets in the way of looking at who spends on what to keep the economy rolling. 

Imagine if unions didn't exist.  Then they'd be cheering right?  Until their pensions, benefits, guaranteed hours, sick days, leave etc etc etc all disappeared.  Unions don't serve much purpose anymore and I think by and large they're far too political vs in place to protect workers.

 

But once they're gone they're gone.  And it's just that small fact people fail to understand

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18 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Ah... the classic confusion of a listing a few social programs and thinking it equals socialism.  Talk about at massive facepalm, it's even more hilarious when people ike posts like this. @gurn. bahaha.  It's funny because despite this line of thinking being completely false, it's often the basis for so many on the left (and right) on why they love (and hate) socialism.  Imagine having your entire political leanings foundation based off a misconception of an ideology you have.  Don't worry, you aren't the only one.

 

@Ryan Strome, I truly don't know why you bother, 

So do tell us the correct way.  Educate us poorly informed individuals so we won't make the same mistake twice.  Do tell us what qualifies as socialism and what does not.  And its not just leftists who make the mistake.   

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32 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Ah... the classic confusion of a listing a few social programs and thinking it equals socialism.  Talk about at massive facepalm, it's even more hilarious when people ike posts like this. @gurn. bahaha.  It's funny because despite this line of thinking being completely false, it's often the basis for so many on the left (and right) on why they love (and hate) socialism.  Imagine having your entire political leanings foundation based off a misconception of an ideology you have.  Don't worry, you aren't the only one.

 

@Ryan Strome, I truly don't know why you bother, 

Sucker for punishment. B)

11 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

So do tell us the correct way.  Educate us poorly informed individuals so we won't make the same mistake twice.  Do tell us what qualifies as socialism and what does not.  And its not just leftists who make the mistake.   

I think Jim tried to educate you.

47 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

a strong social safety net isn't "socialism" its actually good business. The better a country's safety net is, the more wealth it has. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Imagine if unions didn't exist.  Then they'd be cheering right?  Until their pensions, benefits, guaranteed hours, sick days, leave etc etc etc all disappeared.  Unions don't serve much purpose anymore and I think by and large they're far too political vs in place to protect workers.

 

But once they're gone they're gone.  And it's just that small fact people fail to understand

Hmm last time I checked there is a ton of positions throughout Canada that offers these things without unions. 

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48 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Hmm last time I checked there is a ton of positions throughout Canada that offers these things without unions. 

They wouldn’t have if not for unions. 

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15 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

They wouldn’t have if not for unions. 

And if union workers didn't act the way they do there would still be a lot more unionized work places. Greedy and selfish people ruined unions. 

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11 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

And if union workers didn't act the way they do there would still be a lot more unionized work places. Greedy and selfish people ruined unions. 

Greedy and selfish companies and bosses were the impetus for the creation of unions in the 19th century and continued need for unions in the 21st. 

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10 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Greedy and selfish companies and bosses were the impetus for the creation of unions in the 19th century and continued need for unions in the 21st. 

Hmm Alberta pays the highest wages and has very little unions.

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