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7 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Go back a page.  Starts with this and then followed shortly by your response to me.

 

As for the first bit of your response, then we are back things like Medicare for all etc are not socialism and you and Forsberg will have to educate people who retort with socialism is bad.  Because those are social safety net programs.   If not, then we go way back to you and Forsberg educating us on what is socialism.   I have a feeling even you won't get it straight. 

So again every country is a socialist country? I get you're obsessed with socialism but a strong safety net isn't socialism. Ffs you and hip calling military funding socialism. :picard:

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9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

1) Go back a page

 

2) Again I said Alberta pays the highest wages, that's a fact. As for the comparison I don't know who or who isn't unionized. 

For example though, in the trucking industry non unionized truck drivers make more money with the same benefits. 

1) What claim did I make a page back that you’re referring to. 
 

2) You keep claiming facts. I’m asking for specifics. Highest wages in what non union sector vs union sector in other provinces? There are non union trucking industries in other provinces as well as in  Alberta. That’s not unique to only that province. However what wage comparisons are you aware of between unionized truck drivers in other provinces vs the non union wages of those in Alberta that backs you claim? 

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10 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

So again every country is a socialist country? I get you're obsessed with socialism but a strong safety net isn't socialism. Ffs you and hip calling military funding socialism. :picard:

Here we are back again on the merry go round.  Never said every country is socialist.  You were the one who pointed out Jim tried to teach me on socialism.   That social safety net isn't socialism.   His/your words.  Not mine.  I was just connecting the dots.  Because you understand why this keeps getting brought up?  When discussing peograms like Medicare for all,  there are typical responses about how socialism is bad.  And you get the typical post like Boudrais'.  That's why it gets brought up. 

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18 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

1) What claim did I make a page back that you’re referring to. 
 

2) You keep claiming facts. I’m asking for specifics. Highest wages in what non union sector vs union sector in other provinces? There are non union trucking industries in other provinces as well as in  Alberta. That’s not unique to only that province. However what wage comparisons are you aware of between unionized truck drivers in other provinces vs the non union wages of those in Alberta that backs you claim? 

I used Alberta as an example because I'm more familiar with Alberta than other provinces. 

14 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Here we are back again on the merry go round.  Never said every country is socialist.  You were the one who pointed out Jim tried to teach me on socialism.   That social safety net isn't socialism.   His/your words.  Not mine.  I was just connecting the dots.  Because you understand why this keeps getting brought up?  When discussing peograms like Medicare for all,  there are typical responses about how socialism is bad.  And you get the typical post like Boudrais'.  That's why it gets brought up. 

I never called Medicare for all a bad thing. Ftr I support a nationalized daycare program as it's a net benefit to the economy. 

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10 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

I never called Medicare for all a bad thing. Ftr I support a nationalized daycare program as it's a net benefit to the economy. 

Great.  So maybe you can educate Boudrais that people who advocate for programs like Medicare for all or nationalized day care are not socialist, since those programs are not socialism.   Surprising direction this took.

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39 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Great.  So maybe you can educate Boudrais that people who advocate for programs like Medicare for all or nationalized day care are not socialist, since those programs are not socialism.   Surprising direction this took.

I didn't know he said they are. I thought he called Trudeau a socialist? Lester Pearson created Medicare not Trudeau. 

 

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11 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I guess that's your opinion. Like Jim told you there is a big difference between socialism and a safety net.

Does Canada feel like the Soviet Union or Venezuela to you?

Also I'm not even sure why we are discussing this? When did socialism come up?

:) I believe I said Canada was a socialist country and that was defended by some. How much of the nation's GDP will people feel comfortable in the federal government running? We can point to any number of countries where public ownership of the means of production causes a steady decline in living standards. 

 

If nothing else I hope the NAFTA.2 fiasco and now coronovirus will demonstrate to Canadians that a national plan has to be formulated to ensure national security issues are addressed. We can all be disappointed that the USA shut off N95 masks. The Chinese, Russians, Germans, S. Koreans and French have as well during this crisis. Since SARs Canada knew this pandemic would happen again and did little about it. Bill Gates Ted Talk is a must to watch. Canada has to move forward with a clear idea of national needs and the ability to secure them. I thought Conrad Black's piece in the National Post was bang on. Time for Canada to put our big boy pants on. Canada's history of deferring national security issues have to end. 

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12 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

That's forced socialism because we don't have a investment friendly government. 

thats just the narrow, oil-or-nothing AB perspective. 

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12 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats just the narrow, oil-or-nothing AB perspective. 

Without oil Canada as a whole loses a lot. I guess living in downtown Vancouver that doesn't hit home, Jim.

#oblivious

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Anyone take a look at Bill 10 that got passed by the UCP in Alberta? Gave themselves a ton of power.

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11 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Without oil Canada as a whole loses a lot. I guess living in downtown Vancouver that doesn't hit home, Jim.

#oblivious

meh, you know I don't feel like that. 

 

I do think your culture of anger in AB is blinding you guys to some great opportunities to strengthen your province, and thats sad to see. 

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28 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I did.  I shook my head because people are up in arms over what Trudeau and the libs tried to slip through in response to threats of non confidence vites

 to trigger an election.  But ignore what the UCP and Shandro have just passed

 

I also noticed the estimated $92 million isolation emergency covid pay for Albertans was completely used up.  Double what was projected.  Less than $100 million in monetary disbursements for an entire province.  But a potential $8+ billion in tax payers money is going to a private project with a ridiculous estimate of ROI and exit plan of barely 3 years.  Alberta's entire covid response from an economic standpoint will potentially spend less to help people than the potential amount being spent on keystone 

 

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/aish-recipients-lose-out-on-covid-19-money/

 

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/province-closes-emergency-isolation-support-program-1.4885503

 

People are being told to apply for federal benefits.  From Trudeau.  While their tax dollars fund private projects.  

 

Trudeau is killing Alberta on purpose

 

I’d love to see our resident con artists try and defend this one. 

 

And wasn’t Scheer crying a couple weeks ago about a so called “power grab” Trudeau made? Convenient how he’s awfully quiet about this. 

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That story says nothing about closing the program. Also isn't that one time amount more than what BC is offering?

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So the other story mentions it. What was the second link about?

I'm going to compare it to other provinces. 

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12 hours ago, Duodenum said:

Anyone take a look at Bill 10 that got passed by the UCP in Alberta? Gave themselves a ton of power.

I will ask what your issue is with it?

I'm not worried about hip because it's constantly a partisan response from him. If Horgan or JT did it he would defend it.

 

So what is your issue with this given the covid19 emergency?

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1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

I will ask what your issue is with it?

I'm not worried about hip because it's constantly a partisan response from him. If Horgan or JT did it he would defend it.

 

So what is your issue with this given the covid19 emergency?

We know 100% certain that if Trudeau or any other Liberal did something similar you’d be throwing a tantrum all day here about it. 

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27 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

That story says nothing about closing the program. Also isn't that one time amount more than what BC is offering?

Look in to it.

 

25 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

So the other story mentions it. What was the second link about?

I'm going to compare it to other provinces. 

Yes the story mentions it.  Read both links and my statement.

 

Feel free to compare it to other provinces.  But ask yourself why the day that the feds CERB program came online they closed it 

 

17 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I will ask what your issue is with it?

I'm not worried about hip because it's constantly a partisan response from him. If Horgan or JT did it he would defend it.

 

So what is your issue with this given the covid19 emergency?

You and that tired schtick again eh?

 

It's a power grab.  Read bill 10.  See what it entails.  If you're not remotely upset by that I strongly suggest revisiting your anger on the federal libs attpt to do a similar thing.

 

Except...keep in mind, the people in charge federally don't stand to make Bank off this as Shandro does.  Nor will they threaten doctor's or call them and tell at them.

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19 minutes ago, Pears said:

We know 100% certain that if Trudeau or any other Liberal did something similar you’d be throwing a tantrum all day here about it. 

Any proof?

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Look in to it.

 

Yes the story mentions it.  Read both links and my statement.

 

Feel free to compare it to other provinces.  But ask yourself why the day that the feds CERB program came online they closed it 

 

You and that tired schtick again eh?

 

It's a power grab.  Read bill 10.  See what it entails.  If you're not remotely upset by that I strongly suggest revisiting your anger on the federal libs attpt to do a similar thing.

 

Except...keep in mind, the people in charge federally don't stand to make Bank off this as Shandro does.  Nor will they threaten doctor's or call them and tell at them.

1) are other provinces cancelling their respective programs?

 

2) I have, also please show the proof of my anger over Trudeau attempting the same.

You and your tired schtick again, eh?

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I will ask what your issue is with it?

I'm not worried about hip because it's constantly a partisan response from him. If Horgan or JT did it he would defend it.

 

So what is your issue with this given the covid19 emergency?

I don't like that any one minister is now allowed to write, implement, and enforce any new law without consultation or approval. That's a ton of power for every minister in that legislature to have. Only 21/87 elected MLAs were present for the vote to pass Bill 10 as well. 

 

This guy explains my thoughts on it:

 

“Bill 10 gives one single Minister the power to unilaterally make new laws and offences for the entire province,” stated Jay Cameron, Litigation Manager for the Justice Centre.

“It is no consolation to Albertans that any new laws a Minister creates might only be in force for only 90 days. Albertans have a constitutional right to have their elected representatives involved in the making of new laws, especially the making of laws which dramatically infringe on their own civil liberties. Albertans have not given this government a mandate to override the basic tenets of representative democracy and bestow on one person the right to override the rights of millions because it is his opinion that he should do so”, stated Cameron.

“This concentration of power in one individual, without meaningful accountability, opens the door for widespread abuse of civilians. Bill 10 is foreign to Canada’s system of government with its checks and balances, and its limits on the use of government power. Alberta citizens ought to be deeply concerned.”

“Any response by public authorities which restricts civil liberties, even in an emergency, must be a minimal impairment of those liberties, and have a projected expiration date. In Canada, the severe curtailment of civil liberties without projected timelines for their reinstatement, the shutdown of economic activity and resulting job losses, the increase of human suffering through confinement and restriction of liberty, and the closure of courts preventing justice and due process, are at direct odds with Charter-protected personal rights, individual freedom, and constitutional guarantee to be free from government abuse and overreach,” concluded Cameron.

 

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