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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This is an interesting byline for me...

 

For years we've been hearing folks lament that the Greens are such a fringe party, but lets be honest: Whatever gains they might make are going to be at the expense of the NDP. With the NDP in such a sorry state, this should be a chance for the Greens to make inroads. It remains to be seen if May is the leader to make that happen.

She isn't.

Bring back Jim Harris

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

I would say the centrists who tend to lean right and those with more truly fiscal conservative mindsets.  If they fielded a quality candidate better than the NDPs Richard Candidate here in my riding I'd seriously give them a shot.

 

Saying that it's like choosing between the least offensive pile of turd is fairly accurate.  It's too bad May isn't more viable.  I'd say she could see some serious support move her way from disenfranchised NDP voters.  Honestly, looks by the polls that Jaghmeet Singh won't even place second in Burnaby.  Scheer will win Alberta and Sask, one of the prairies and most of northern BC while splitting Ontario.  

 

But I don't think Fords brand are doing the Scheer Party any favours in vote rich Toronto or the golden horseshoe.

Those people will vote Scheer. Honestly you may not like him but he is one of the most fiscally conservative.

 

Bernier has some good ideas for sure but to end the supply management will cost the tax payers billions. And seeing as how you have socialist views I'm suprised you would support ending supply management. I also don't think his immigration views or migrant views are similar to yours. 

 

Certainly I support smaller government and less government but considering you repeatedly vote ndp there is no way you support those things. His views on firearms are in staunch contrast to yours So what exactly do you support Bernier on?

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I wonder if Bernier will even be invited to debates? I doubt it Elizabeth May had to fight like hell to get invited.

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This is an interesting byline for me...

 

For years we've been hearing folks lament that the Greens are such a fringe party, but lets be honest: Whatever gains they might make are going to be at the expense of the NDP. With the NDP in such a sorry state, this should be a chance for the Greens to make inroads. It remains to be seen if May is the leader to make that happen.

It only takes one good election for the Greens with actual candidates that don't come across as fringe losers for them to actually hold seats.  Half of their issue is the people they run look like smelly fruit pickers who managed to bathe.

 

Getting them in to office is half the battle, ensuring they're re-electable is the other.  One or two good cycles for the Green party is essential for their survival.  Entrance in to Ontario and Quebec is what will make or break them long term

1 hour ago, mpt said:

Wow we finally agree on something :) Maybe 2019 will be a great year after all!

I've always stated I was born/raised Conservative.  But there has been nothing Conservative about the party since the Reformers took over.  Too many hard liners and extremists with far to much of an onus on appeasing specific groups and NOT adhering to basic Conservative principals.  The real Conservative party is/was always very simple.  Fiscally Conservative, socially do whatever you want as long as you do it quietly and don't step on my toes.

 

This new version is the exact opposite, spend till we're broke blame someone else and by the way...don't be gay/brown or anything like that because...fear

 

Honestly, I despise what the party is.  No accountability, no onus on living up to the party vision statement and when it all fails, blame someone else and ignore the fact they caused it.  Bernier may seem a little far to the right for some but he's in many ways closer to a true historical conservative than most of what the spineless back benchers in the party resemble now

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Just now, Warhippy said:

It only takes one good election for the Greens with actual candidates that don't come across as fringe losers for them to actually hold seats.  Half of their issue is the people they run look like smelly fruit pickers who managed to bathe.

 

Getting them in to office is half the battle, ensuring they're re-electable is the other.  One or two good cycles for the Green party is essential for their survival.  Entrance in to Ontario and Quebec is what will make or break them long term

I've always stated I was born/raised Conservative.  But there has been nothing Conservative about the party since the Reformers took over.  Too many hard liners and extremists with far to much of an onus on appeasing specific groups and NOT adhering to basic Conservative principals.  The real Conservative party is/was always very simple.  Fiscally Conservative, socially do whatever you want as long as you do it quietly and don't step on my toes.

 

This new version is the exact opposite, spend till we're broke blame someone else and by the way...don't be gay/brown or anything like that because...fear

 

Honestly, I despise what the party is.  No accountability, no onus on living up to the party vision statement and when it all fails, blame someone else and ignore the fact they caused it.  Bernier may seem a little far to the right for some but he's in many ways closer to a true historical conservative than most of what the spineless back benchers in the party resemble now

Who is the real conservative party federally? I'm curious to know who you're saying was fiscally conservative?

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7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I wonder if Bernier will even be invited to debates? I doubt it Elizabeth May had to fight like hell to get invited.

She has nothing to loose by chirping all of the parties.Its the only time Canadians coast to coast will hear her.

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@Warhippy the previous government brought in more immigrants than any other government and the majority were "brown." 

 

I like discussing politics with you but your fear mongering gets annoying my man.

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2 minutes ago, Violator said:

She has nothing to loose by chirping all of the parties.Its the only time Canadians coast to coast will hear her.

I don't disagree but I'm pointing out she was invited in the past so I doubt Bernier gets invited.

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40 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Those people will vote Scheer. Honestly you may not like him but he is one of the most fiscally conservative.

 

Bernier has some good ideas for sure but to end the supply management will cost the tax payers billions. And seeing as how you have socialist views I'm suprised you would support ending supply management. I also don't think his immigration views or migrant views are similar to yours. 

 

Certainly I support smaller government and less government but considering you repeatedly vote ndp there is no way you support those things. His views on firearms are in staunch contrast to yours So what exactly do you support Bernier on?

Scheer is far from fiscally responsible, he as speaker signed off on some of the largest spending budgets and omnibus monstrosities Harper devised.  he has NO history of ever being a fiscal conservative honestly.  And as we both agree his entire life has been spent in politics, that's pretty damning

 

Bernier, as I just stated in another post is closer to what a historically true Conservative is.  Supply management is good, it's great in fact  in many ways.  But the beleif that it will cost billions is actually a shade far fetched as country of origin, food safety laws etc still exist.  Even bernier knows that totally dismantling the supply management of the dairy industry would be as disastrous as the sale of the wheat board has been to the Saudi's for a lot of farmers who via virtue of the cargill aspect now can't move their product anywhere

 

As for my voting NDP.  I've said it a number of times.  I vote/voted for the best possible candidate in my riding.  For the last 3 election cycles that has been an NDP candidate.  That has nothing to do with party affiliation and everything to do with Stockwell day being an absolute cretin, Albas moving on after the redrawing of boundaries and simply for Cannings being such a likeable hard working guy.  This next cycle the Conservatives are running Helena Konanz who is an absolute dinosaur of a human being..  Sat on council for 3 terms, has essentially voted against more daycares, subsidized housing, given tax breaks to very specific building plans for seniors but voted against family residential units.  Is todays quintessential conservative and left council with Penticton holding an over $170 million operating deficit and has called herself a success

 

So again Penticton and our area is left with simply no other choices.  Vote for the best candidate, Konanz isn't it and I still think Scheer is a buffoon 

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10 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Who is the real conservative party federally? I'm curious to know who you're saying was fiscally conservative?

True Conservatives values are predicated on Fiscal Conservancy.  Prior to the disastrous last few years of Mulroney where he essentially sold it all for NAFTA there was an onus on allowing people, businesses to fail.  To NOT spend that massive amount on X or Y because it wasn't in the budget or it was deemed unaffordable.  Now the party likes to say Trudeau is spending all this money on these stupid things.  But then they're the same party that opened the office of religious freedoms and ONLY staffed it with catholics and Christians while tossing money at Israel and Christian funds in Africa.

 

50 million on gazebos

 

G8/G20 we need a lake, a big one...in a building in Toronto.  Oh hey, isn't there a lake outside?  Who cares this one will have a canoe in it and it will look awesome

 

Libs are hosting coast guard partie runs!  Oh yea?  Well hell lets host coast guard fishing trips!  While we're at it lets spend a fortune mocking up a fake fighter for a photo

 

The hypocritical finger pointing while running the same damned excesses is blatant and disturbing.  I keep saying there is no difference between the two parties and I firmly believe it.  As evidenced by Conservative campaigning on trudeau undoing all their "hard work" only to see Trudeau push through their legislation.  

 

The biggest con we Canadians are faced with is the endless narrative that one party is better than the other and that they're different.  Their records and spending habits say they're RXACTLY the same

 

 

6 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

@Warhippy the previous government brought in more immigrants than any other government and the majority were "brown." 

 

I like discussing politics with you but your fear mongering gets annoying my man.

The previous government did.  The people behind them don't like it.  Harper was going to bring in like what 15,000?  or was it 30,000 immigrants?  Trudeau increased that number by like 20,000 and OMG it;s the end of the world.  Look at any Conservative rag, look at Khadr, look at ALL the rhetoric being poured in to endless stories.  MUslims are coming, UN migration pact, Muslims, Shaira blah blah blah

 

This isn';t the party I am speaking of per say but their supporters.  And you'd be deluded to say I am wrong on this one man.  That's not fear mongering.  ANY comments section on ANY platform regarding Trudeau or immigration or any kind of spending will support that and you know it.  Todays vocal Conservative supporter is about as sad as they get.

 

The centrists/moderates don't speak up anymore man.  When they do they get shouted down

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As speaker he had a vote and obviously he voted along party lines as all members do. He voted to lower gst and other taxes on people. He voted to use surplus money to pay down the debt. 

 

Again I fail to see how you could support Bernier. Btw Bernier himself admitted it would be in the billions. I agree with you about the wheat board but ironically at the time farmers supported scrapping it.

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12 hours ago, MikeyBoy44 said:

This election will be an easy one for me. With Trudeau brought the end of the Children's Activity Tax Credit, Income sharing and brought in the Carbon tax.

That is one my favorite things. I shouldn't subsidize your kids' sports activities. 

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3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

True Conservatives values are predicated on Fiscal Conservancy.  Prior to the disastrous last few years of Mulroney where he essentially sold it all for NAFTA there was an onus on allowing people, businesses to fail.  To NOT spend that massive amount on X or Y because it wasn't in the budget or it was deemed unaffordable.  Now the party likes to say Trudeau is spending all this money on these stupid things.  But then they're the same party that opened the office of religious freedoms and ONLY staffed it with catholics and Christians while tossing money at Israel and Christian funds in Africa.

 

50 million on gazebos

 

G8/G20 we need a lake, a big one...in a building in Toronto.  Oh hey, isn't there a lake outside?  Who cares this one will have a canoe in it and it will look awesome

 

Libs are hosting coast guard partie runs!  Oh yea?  Well hell lets host coast guard fishing trips!  While we're at it lets spend a fortune mocking up a fake fighter for a photo

 

The hypocritical finger pointing while running the same damned excesses is blatant and disturbing.  I keep saying there is no difference between the two parties and I firmly believe it.  As evidenced by Conservative campaigning on trudeau undoing all their "hard work" only to see Trudeau push through their legislation.  

 

The biggest con we Canadians are faced with is the endless narrative that one party is better than the other and that they're different.  Their records and spending habits say they're RXACTLY the same

 

 

The previous government did.  The people behind them don't like it.  Harper was going to bring in like what 15,000?  or was it 30,000 immigrants?  Trudeau increased that number by like 20,000 and OMG it;s the end of the world.  Look at any Conservative rag, look at Khadr, look at ALL the rhetoric being poured in to endless stories.  MUslims are coming, UN migration pact, Muslims, Shaira blah blah blah

 

This isn';t the party I am speaking of per say but their supporters.  And you'd be deluded to say I am wrong on this one man.  That's not fear mongering.  ANY comments section on ANY platform regarding Trudeau or immigration or any kind of spending will support that and you know it.  Todays vocal Conservative supporter is about as sad as they get.

 

The centrists/moderates don't speak up anymore man.  When they do they get shouted down

So you're more sickened by some supporters of the party then you're the party itself? Is that fair to say?

 

Do you feel the party will cave to these people?

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1 minute ago, Gnarcore said:

That is one my favorite things. I shouldn't subsidize your kids' sports activities. 

who wants a society of healthy kids. Meanwhile lets subsidize shoot up facilities.

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@Warhippy Mulroney continued the Trudeau trend of spending like a drunken sailor. Those two put Canada in a serious debt problem hence why Chretien had to cut everything in sight to get things back on track.

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

who wants a society of healthy kids. Meanwhile lets subsidize shoot up facilities.

I played a ton of sports at school and that barely cost anything. Not sure how that is these days with all the cuts. Low income families I have no issue but just an overall credit? No. Also..I don't give a &^@# about other people's kids. The less I am taxed to support them the better, 

 

Those shoot up facilities probably save money on health care expenditures. Never really looked into it much. I like the idea of less needles lying around and less diseases being spread as a result. 

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1 minute ago, Gnarcore said:

I played a ton of sports at school and that barely cost anything. Not sure how that is these days with all the cuts. Low income families I have no issue but just an overall credit? No. Also..I don't give a &^@# about other people's kids. The less I am taxed to support them the better, 

 

Those shoot up facilities probably save money on health care expenditures. Never really looked into it much. I like the idea of less needles lying around and less diseases being spread as a result. 

Didn't you vote for Trudeau?

 

Certainly I agree on the low income part but considering all the stuff we pay for I don't have a issue with money going to make kids healthier and giving them sports to play rather than possibly going down a bad path.

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

Didn't you vote for Trudeau?

 

Certainly I agree on the low income part but considering all the stuff we pay for I don't have a issue with money going to make kids healthier and giving them sports to play rather than possibly going down a bad path.

Yes.  I've also voted conservative, Green & libertarian in the past.  I disliked Stephen Harper and his brand of conservatism. $&!# he should have been shot for this bull$&!# alone: 

 

As for your latter point that is all on the parents. Between PE every semester, rugby, soccer, tennis, golf (junior golf is crazy cheap...they try and hook you in young) and track I was pretty busy with sports at school all year long. I accept paying taxes for education and health care for kids which is some of the biggest expenditures we have. Hell I'd probably be okay with supporting in school sports programs more. 

That reminds me of something....I was a TA in high school for gym. So I finally got to go into the equipment room...there was new items of everything yet the teachers made us play with worn out garbage. I get you need to phase things in but there were hundreds of tennis rackets just sitting there that were already 5 years old... that pissed me off royally at the time...

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9 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

I played a ton of sports at school and that barely cost anything. Not sure how that is these days with all the cuts. Low income families I have no issue but just an overall credit? No. Also..I don't give a &^@# about other people's kids. The less I am taxed to support them the better, 

 

Those shoot up facilities probably save money on health care expenditures. Never really looked into it much. I like the idea of less needles lying around and less diseases being spread as a result. 

The argument could also be made that keeping kids active will result in lower health care expenditures as well. Certainly, childhood obesity and the health issues that accompany it are a problem in Canada.

 

That being said, people love to complain about taxes, yet many of the same people complain about cuts to social programs. Nothing is free and programs need to be paid for one way or another. Taxpayers will always foot the bill and governments have to make unpopular decisions. That's just the way it is.

 

Generally, I'd agree with Strome. I think funding to keep kids healthier is a worthwhile expenditure, but it's pretty easy to have an opinion....

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21 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

That is one my favorite things. I shouldn't subsidize your kids' sports activities. 

You don't subsidize anything. It's a tax credit. Only applied on year end taxes.

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