86Viking Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 MDZ is a +3 player for us this year in 23 gp...I was surprised to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: MDZ is a +3 player for us this year in 23 gp...I was surprised to see that He's not as bad as we like to make him seem. The memes are fun, but this D core can barely ice two top 4 D-men. Tanev is one dimensional and barely would constitute being a top 4 guy. The other is Edler. A lot of us want to blame MDZ and Pouliot for our woes but they are being asked to do more than they are capable of. We are seeing similar things from Guddy (seeing a good few people start roasting his game), he's in our top 4 and likely isn't good enough to be there. The only time he looked like he truly belonged in the top 4 was when he was with Eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: MDZ is a +3 player for us this year in 23 gp...I was surprised to see that and that's a relatively meaningless cherry-pick unfortunately that lip sticks MDZ's season. first, he's played with Stecher (+10) and Tanev (+2 with 37.5% ozone starts). MDZ is +3, with 52.7% ozone starts playing with a couple guys who have better goal metrics = doesn't really tell us much, if anything. MDZ's numbers are worse than both those partners, so clearly, they've performed better without him than with him. MDZ has 4 pts in 23 games - actually a slower scoring pace than Gudbranson, who's role is nowhere near as tilted towards 'play-driving'. Del Zotto has been ok after the first stretch where he was simply awful and earned his spot in the press box - but there's nothing about his performance that has earned him anything other than a spot star here and there - really the best 'metric' he has going for him are the 89 hits he's thrown, but unfortunately, even there, he got caught terribly out of position on numerous occasions early in the season, so chasing hits/high hit totals isn't always a positive result either, particularly if your coverage is so suspect. He's been better lately imo, but the problem for him is that so has Ben Hutton, so he hasn't managed to take back that roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Take a young defenseman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Cariboo Canuck Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Couldn’t agree more... Pouliot is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, oldnews said: and that's a relatively meaningless cherry-pick unfortunately that lip sticks MDZ's season. first, he's played with Stecher (+10) and Tanev (+2 with 37.5% ozone starts). MDZ is +3, with 52.7% ozone starts playing with a couple guys who have better goal metrics = doesn't really tell us much, if anything. MDZ's numbers are worse than both those partners, so clearly, they've performed better without him than with him. MDZ has 4 pts in 23 games - actually a slower scoring pace than Gudbranson, who's role is nowhere near as tilted towards 'play-driving'. Del Zotto has been ok after the first stretch where he was simply awful and earned his spot in the press box - but there's nothing about his performance that has earned him anything other than a spot star here and there - really the best 'metric' he has going for him are the 89 hits he's thrown, but unfortunately, even there, he got caught terribly out of position on numerous occasions early in the season, so chasing hits/high hit totals isn't always a positive result either, particularly if your coverage is so suspect. He's been better lately imo, but the problem for him is that so has Ben Hutton, so he hasn't managed to take back that roster spot. The old eye test tells me Del Zotto is really slow, without the puck. I don’t if he’s not reading the play, but he’s not getting to where he needs to be soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 10:14 AM, King Heffy said: Without EP. Their biggest minute guys are so bad in their own zone MDZ playing like the useless pylon that he is would be an improvement. Reilly is such a huge liability defensively that he should be in the press box until he realizes that he needs to learn how to actually play defense. Reilly is a D man at over a point per game. Your "hockey analysis" is to put him in the press box. Keep your day job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Reilly is a D man at over a point per game. Your "hockey analysis" is to put him in the press box. Keep your day job. Because of his play in his own zone, not the other team's. A coach who actually forced him to play like an NHLer in the defensive zone would be doing the team a huge favour. I simply don't have any tolerance for a defenseman who can't play any defense, regardless of offensive output. Either play defense or move to forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 10:06 AM, Doubt Tea said: i'd rather MDZ in the lineup than Pouliot I'd rather see them both traded for a better defence man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Reilly is a D man at over a point per game. Your "hockey analysis" is to put him in the press box. Keep your day job. PPG? Ok. Still a mediocre defenseman at best. Lots of great point getting defensemen out there. But they can't keep the puck out of their own net, which translates into to no playoff success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NexusRift Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 i say to other teams interested............................keep interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 If the Canucks can get any assets (preferably picks), it will already be a win. UFA signing that turns into a free asset.... good management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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