[Discussion] TDL/play off spot. Who stays.

[Googlie]

If we are in a playoff push, and Utica is too, then I could see just Hughes and Gaudette being added when the roster limits lift. That would make MDZ expendable, probably Pouliot too.  I don't think management has yet given up on Goldy, although you could sense Green's frustration in the post Panthers presser.

 

If Utica is out of the playoff picture, then I think we could see Dahlen and Beezer added to the big club along with Gaudette to see what they bring.

 

If we are out of the playoff hunt, but Utica is, I could see Gaudette staying there for the run, and maybe even Hughes reporting there for the experience, and chemistry building with likely future teammates in Gaud, Beezer , Dahlen et al

 

In any scenario, I don't see Sutter, Edler or Tanev being dealt.  Last thing we need is a Keystone Cops defense for the final 10 games of the season.

[smokes]

I would have said to trade an expiring contract Dman but unfortunately with Juolevi out, defence is slim pickings even if Hughes joins the Canucks it won't be until a couple of months after.

[therodigy]

MDZ (3rd and/or prospect), Schaller (4th or 5th) and Gagner (whatever you can get) are no brainers. If there are no takers for Gagner, though, I wonder if he'll ask for mutual termination or if Acquilini will bite the bullet on a buyout. We're not exactly hurting for cap space next year so we could technically keep him for depth but clearly not ideal for all parties involved.

 

I agree that Goldy hasn't been fitting in as well as hoped, but I wouldn't be comfortable trading him right now. Don't think a 2nd or 3rd (if he's even worth that) is much better at this point considering the lack of scoring depth on the left side. I say qualify him and give him a $900,000 show me contract. If he underperforms, trade next season.

 

Keep Sutter until at least the end of the season. God forbid he's traded to make space for Gaudette and BAM EP, Bo, or Beags are out with an injury.

 

Wouldn't mind seeing Pouliot traded as well (prospect switch or a 3rd/4th), if only to see what we have in McEneny/Sautner/Brisebois, as well as considering a potential Hughes signing. Not up to speed on the Utica prospect statuses (Sautner out indefinitely?) so disregard if not plausible.

 

Would love to see MacEwan called up, but don't think that'll happen barring a Schaller trade AND an injury on the right side. Season is still young though.

 

Granlund could be a good trade chip as well, though I'm liking what he's bringing. He's more solid than most give him credit for, but expendable for the right price.

 

Gaunce is playing very well in Utica. I'd like to see one more stint in the bigs for one of two reasons: 

- See if he can fill the void pending a LW trade (3pts in 3GP is a small sample, but we already know he's good on the defensive side of things)

- Potentially maximize his trade value for a package deal (maybe with Granlund) to a team lacking centre depth (Say Columbus, who are lacking after PLD and Wennberg, Dallas who have unknowns with Hanzel's latest injury and Spezza's inconsistency, or Boston who could use depth behind Bergeron and Krecji).

 

Thoughts?

[Nucker 67]

If the Canucks are still in the hunt for a playoff spot by the TDL, they won't be sellers. But Granlund, Pouliot and Del Zotto's contracts expire at the end of the season, so they may be traded, or walk if there are no takers. Maybe they re-sign Granlund and Pouliot? I suspect they'll also re-sign Edler.

 

Boeser, Boucher, Hutton, Demko, Gaunce, Motte and Goldobin are all RFAs at the end of the season. Could be a trade here too. Should be interesting to see how things unfold. I imagine if the Canucks are mathematically out of the playoffs, then Benning could be busy making trades and getting picks for this year's Draft.

 

[The_Rocket]

My guess is the biggest move the Canucks make before the TDL is trading MDZ

 

I’m sure the Canucks ownership and management are desperate to finish above .500 this year. They won’t sell off good players during the season unless the return is huge, and it’s very unlikely the return will be huge. 

 

Besides, the biggest trade JB has ever made mid season to this point is burrows for dahlen. Why would he start doing big deals now?

[Sbriggs]

11 hours ago, Monteeun said:

Hoping we trade del zotto and pouliot for something

anything

[Sbriggs]

2 hours ago, Rush17 said:

Shipped out: (NHL)

 

Markus Granlund, Michael Del Zotto.

 

Brought up: (AHL/NCAA)

 

Zack MacEwan, Quinn Hughes.

 

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Other move options:

 

Sam Gagner, Nikolaj Goldobin, Derrick Pouliot, Erik Gudbranson, Brandon Sutter. 

 

Last 3 are likely kept for remainder of the season could be off season moves. 

I'm sure Gudy stays, can't replace his physical play

He's a very good 5-6 Dman and worth his weight in gold

[NexusRift]

9 hours ago, linden17 said:

I think we are sellers either way. Although we have been decent its pretty evident that without petterson we are lacking scoring. What we were hoping was that Brock would be able to pick up the slack which for the better part has been average. thats no knock on Brock because he is still only in his second year and coming off a major injury........................

Pretty much this. We're sellers. it's just a case whether anyone bites on the bait we're hangin' out there. 

It is evident that the absence or EP40 noticeably changes the complex of the team performance. 

We're still working hard and skating. No complaints there. 

JB's bait................. MDZ?  Pouliot?  Goldy?  Gagne?  Schaller? 

 

[EP Phone Home]

I would try and see whatever pick we can get for MDZ and Poo as well as Gagner. Also now Sutter is expendable with Beagle and Gaudette (and in a few years looks like Tyler Madden is going to be a great Center). So all of those and perhaps trade one of the two of Granny/Goldy as one of those two wont be back with the team next year. 

 

I dont see us trading Tanev and I don’t see Edler waiving his NTC. I believe those are all the chips we have to play with and everyone else is pretty much hands off.

 

Side note. As someone here has mentioned on these forums that Quinn should NOT play at the end of the year and save us a season of pro hockey (AKA expansion draft for Seattle) and we would be wise to save as many spots to protect assests then to play Hughes for only a handful of games. Would be in our best interest to do so.

[canuck73_3]

I'd be ok with moving Gagner, Del Zotto, Schaller and Goldobin. 

 

Then sign Edler to a 2/3 year extension. 

[TheGuardian_]

The schedule has favoured the Canucks. The team is filled with defensive specialists a lot will have value to many teams with plans to go deep into the playoffs as additions or depth players. Hard to figure how much longer Markstrom will keep this elite level goaltending going but he has a bigger value as well.

A real issue may be the schedule maker has given the Canucks one of the easiest second half of games, it is not all that funny but as bad as most posters here see the Edmonton Oilers the Canucks are still slightly behind them.

I still don't see this team doing anything should they make a playoff series so they should be sellers at the TDL regardless of the standings, have the plan, stick with the plan. Unfortunately this management group seem to be following rather than leading and don't seem to show confidence in their moves, not the players, their decisions.

The month of March the team will see about a 50 - 50 spilt on teams in the playoffs or fighting for a spot and teams fighting for the best odds on Hughes.

IMO Edmonton is one trade away from turning the corner.

If the Canucks cannot win 8 out of the 14 games in February they should sell, sell, sell but then I think they should regardless to insure playoff runs in two years, make it this year and spend the next 3 or 4 trying to improve with little deals and poorer draft positions.

[Squamfan]

out on deadline day

 

Del Zotto

Granlund

Sutter

[canuck73_3]

8 minutes ago, Squamfan said:

out on deadline day

 

 

Granlund

Sutter

Good thing these two won't happen these moves are VERY counter productive and Sutter is ridiculously underrated here. 

[Saved_by_Jesus]

If management even considers the standings when it comes deadline time, they are making a huge mistake.

 

I don't care if we are first in the pacific or last, they should approach the deadline the same way: get rid of all expiring contracts (if it is even suspected they might not resign) and any assets that are not being utilized.

 

The biggest mistake a management team can make is to treat the future as less important as the present.

[TheGuardian_]

Was thinking about injuries and how they would affect the excuses to do nothing. I could see Edler, Tanev and another vet or two being injured just before the TDL and then the excuse for doing nothing being the injuries reduced the offers too much and Benning didn't want to look weak so instead he did nothing to help rebuild a team and then Edler gets a 4 to 6 year 7.5 mil offer from Florida, Detriot, Colorado or a contender.

While the Canucks could match that, should they? Edler has been exceptional this year so IMO the team should take advantage of that and get as much back as possible, he has already stated his preference to stay here but included that it is not up to him. I think I they ask he will void the clause for the last few months of his term.

 

So I await the injuries to Sutter, Edler, Tanev, Beagle, DMZ, Pouliot,  and any players that might fetch a pretty good return.

 

The players play to win, management plans the future, 3 or 4 years down the road, move the vets now, get the rookies into the show so they are young vets at 22/23. See what is in the pipeline, test the prospects preparedness for the NHL. Guard the "protected" list for the expansion. Get more 1rst round picks.

[Aardvark]

2 hours ago, Sbriggs said:

I'm sure Gudy stays, can't replace his physical play

He's a very good 5-6 Dman and worth his weight in gold

I just checked the internet for Gudbranson's weight, and the price of gold.  Apparently he is worth $4,154,680.

[City-in-state-of-emergency]

I hate this season.. EP ruined it. It was supposed to be a rebuild then EP comes in eats our cake, takes our significant other, and goes outta this world to put us in a playoff race. 

 

But I would like a more solid shutdown grinder on EP on line not for protection but able to give EP more room and others as well.

 

I think thats what's really missing. Roussel is a great pest but no shut down grinder so maybe ship out Schaller or Poo for someone like Zach Smith.

['NucK™]

1 hour ago, Aardvark said:

I just checked the internet for Gudbranson's weight, and the price of gold.  Apparently he is worth $4,154,680.

I guess that means Canucks are saving $154,680 a year on his contract! 

[AussieHorvatFan]

2 hours ago, City-in-state-of-emergency said:

I hate this season.. EP ruined it. It was supposed to be a rebuild then EP comes in eats our cake, takes our significant other, and goes outta this world to put us in a playoff race. 

 

But I would like a more solid shutdown grinder on EP on line not for protection but able to give EP more room and others as well.

 

I think thats what's really missing. Roussel is a great pest but no shut down grinder so maybe ship out Schaller or Poo for someone like Zach Smith.

I disagree. Yes, it would be amazing to get another top 3 pick, but the fact that EP is doing EP things and putting the entire franchise on his back is amazing to see. Once all the keys pieces from the draft are put into place, Van will be more attractive place for FA's to come to as we are closer to winning.

 

Maybe just maybe this is closer than we all think 

[coolboarder]

I felt that MDZ could be traded for a picks or prospects and we can always call-up AHL for permanent role as a 7-8 D like Brisebois.  Goldobin might not work out with the way he is playing under Green but he could get better with time if he continue to work with his game.  So I see two of those players could be traded away for something in return even if we solidify our playoff position.  Other than that, the roster looking solid.