JM_ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Thing is, though...the lax rules on spending are sort of no brainers .... "business expenses". Anyone buying jewelry for their wife and trying to flog it off as uniform expenses is cheating the system, not really taking advantage of it. Same with a wood chipper that was purchased for guys who needed it for themselves. The lines aren't just blurred here, they're on fire. An $1,100.00 "piece" of luggage. OK, maybe that one could slide but my God, these people are _________'s to try this stuff. They know whose pockets it comes out of. Greed sure is ugly. its ugly, just don't be surprised when its all said and done if most of it is technically 'by the rules'. Sort of like the whole Duffy scandal, that was rife with common sense issues but in the end, nothing came of it. we'll see if anything really changes with spending rules. I'm not holding my breath. Someone saw and approved the receipts for all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: its ugly, just don't be surprised when its all said and done if most of it is technically 'by the rules'. Sort of like the whole Duffy scandal, that was rife with common sense issues but in the end, nothing came of it. we'll see if anything really changes with spending rules. I'm not holding my breath. Someone saw and approved the receipts for all this. So true. But let's hope all their heads roll.... High time. People are fed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: its ugly, just don't be surprised when its all said and done if most of it is technically 'by the rules'. Sort of like the whole Duffy scandal, that was rife with common sense issues but in the end, nothing came of it. we'll see if anything really changes with spending rules. I'm not holding my breath. Someone saw and approved the receipts for all this. you are probably right, this may be ok by the rules. Then watch the money flow out of the government to James, and the other guy. Restitution can be very expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, gurn said: you are probably right, this may be ok by the rules. Then watch the money flow out of the government to James, and the other guy. this whole thing was designed to buy time, and give Plecas cover for his own misuse of travel funds imo. I really doubt Horgan has any desire for a full and independent legislature audit or to change the rules in any meaningful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: bingo. Thats why Horgan looked grey when this all broke. This has the potential to go up the chain, but this report, done by Plecas' buddy, is meant to distract from these kinds of questions. Its ironic and kind of humorous tho that this happened to Horgans gov't because they brought on a Clark Liberal. Blinded by the pursuit of power. I was updated over the Christmas period how the BC Election went down and now the unholy alliance formed is hanging by a thread and even two by-election losses could upset the applecart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Blinded by the pursuit of power. I was updated over the Christmas period how the BC Election went down and now the unholy alliance formed is hanging by a thread and even two by-election losses could upset the applecart. thats true, if the by-election goes Liberal (apparently there's an actual chance of that in the latest polling) and Plecas gets recalled its election time again in BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 A couple of interesting observations: -There is several ties to the liberal and former liberal MLA's, including the former premier. The visits to Christy Clark were "post resignation", and claimed as travel expenses. Now you could write that off, but there's probably more money behind that one. We only got the "Plecas Report". The other half of the report is with the RCMP. The *real* bomb has yet to be dropped... -From both outside and inside the Leg, there seems to be a push to recall Plecas and put pressure in order to take power and/or force an election. Truth is, as an independent speaker, it really looks like this guy did his job well. Not sure how Andrew Wilkinson will plead on that one? And it was Plecas that forced the Clark resignation in the first place based on the poor ethics of replacing non-partisan with partisan staff. Again, maybe more bombshells to come... To be honest... the wood splitter looks a warmup. This is going to get much worse before it's over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Most of these politician and high up managers have a sense of entitlement. Andrew Wilkson tried to shame Plecas for his whistle blowing was shameful. Your cover is blown moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats true, if the by-election goes Liberal (apparently there's an actual chance of that in the latest polling) and Plecas gets recalled its election time again in BC. It may not be 'election' time either, in that case. The Lieutenant Governor has the opportunity and authority to ask if the Liberals are willing and able to form government prior to the actual calling of an election. So the sides on the floor could switch 'overnight' as it were, without disruption of a vote. This circumstance is more often seen in the 'toppling' of a minority, rather than a majority forming due to by-election. Others more educated in the precedence of this may know of a case where that is true. In the circumstance where the Liberals take over once more, the election date and timeframe would remain as it is now, so it may (or may not be) in their interest to say 'no' when asked to form, in the hopes that an election would yield them even stronger results and a longer period to form government. Personally I think they should all be shot out of a cannon, over the border wall between Canada and the US. Pigs at the trough, oink oink oink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Between this and the money laundering scandal/real estate. ICBC and hydro. If this province elects the liberals in again any time soon they bloody deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Between this and the money laundering scandal/real estate. ICBC and hydro. If this province elects the liberals in again any time soon they bloody deserve it do you really think the NDP would have done anything to curb the tax grab of the housing market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 All politicians are subhuman scum with no souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: do you really think the NDP would have done anything to curb the tax grab of the housing market? I'm sorry, but...they actually literally just did via the speculation tax and now their green initiatives as well as their proposed mandatory minimum housing initiatives. So...yes You ignored the statement though. With all of this going on. The now all but obvious money laundering and abuse of office/power we're seeing that was literally rubber stamped by the liberals, as well as the hydro and icvc mess. If they are voted in again BC deserves what they get. (quick note, BC is actually still set to be one of the national leaders after this first year with an NDP and Green coalition economically but this won't stop people from mumbling something like No Damn Plan party, Union Party or bingo gate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 As we paid for it that means we all own it. Who do I see about getting the wood chipper for the weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Warhippy said: I'm sorry, but...they actually literally just did via the speculation tax and now their green initiatives as well as their proposed mandatory minimum housing initiatives. So...yes You ignored the statement though. With all of this going on. The now all but obvious money laundering and abuse of office/power we're seeing that was literally rubber stamped by the liberals, as well as the hydro and icvc mess. If they are voted in again BC deserves what they get. (quick note, BC is actually still set to be one of the national leaders after this first year with an NDP and Green coalition economically but this won't stop people from mumbling something like No Damn Plan party, Union Party or bingo gate) the speculation tax might curb things a tiny bit, now, after most of the investment, but I think they would have rode that gravy train just as much as the Liberals did. And other than the tax? whats going on? not much. I didn't ignore it, I stated in other places that things like the casino's are vile. Not making excuses for the Libs at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: do you really think the NDP would have done anything to curb the tax grab of the housing market? 7 hours ago, Warhippy said: I'm sorry, but...they actually literally just did via the speculation tax and now their green initiatives as well as their proposed mandatory minimum housing initiatives. So...yes You ignored the statement though. With all of this going on. The now all but obvious money laundering and abuse of office/power we're seeing that was literally rubber stamped by the liberals, as well as the hydro and icvc mess. If they are voted in again BC deserves what they get. (quick note, BC is actually still set to be one of the national leaders after this first year with an NDP and Green coalition economically but this won't stop people from mumbling something like No Damn Plan party, Union Party or bingo gate) ....and those fast cats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 18 hours ago, gizmo2337 said: To be honest... the wood splitter looks a warmup. This is going to get much worse before it's over... "Speaking exclusively to Global News, Connor Gibson — identified only as ‘AB’ in the Plecas report — says he was asked by a Liberal MLA Linda Reid to file what he describes at inappropriate expenses." https://globalnews.ca/news/4876766/whistleblower-alleges-legislature-expense-issues-beyond-clerk-and-sergeant-at-arms/https://www.straight.com/news/1191746/darryl-plecas-report-legislature-expenses-turns-spotlight-assistant-deputy-speaker Here we go! This doesn't end with just the two people in question. There is probably "much" more to come. I expect to see a few Liberal resignations and a long drawn out criminal investigation. The corruption in that Liberal party is finally busted. I won't be too surprised who may be next. Read the December meeting minutes and decide for yourself. https://www.leg.bc.ca/content/CommitteeDocuments/41st-parliament/LAMC/2019-01-21/02_LAMC_Minutes_2018-12-19_Draft.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 hours ago, gizmo2337 said: A couple of interesting observations: -There is several ties to the liberal and former liberal MLA's, including the former premier. The visits to Christy Clark were "post resignation", and claimed as travel expenses. Now you could write that off, but there's probably more money behind that one. We only got the "Plecas Report". The other half of the report is with the RCMP. The *real* bomb has yet to be dropped... -From both outside and inside the Leg, there seems to be a push to recall Plecas and put pressure in order to take power and/or force an election. Truth is, as an independent speaker, it really looks like this guy did his job well. Not sure how Andrew Wilkinson will plead on that one? And it was Plecas that forced the Clark resignation in the first place based on the poor ethics of replacing non-partisan with partisan staff. Again, maybe more bombshells to come... To be honest... the wood splitter looks a warmup. This is going to get much worse before it's over... He's also trying to have an inquiry into ICBC rate increases. I've heard him say more than a few times, that he wasn't in Government when all this took place, but he was a deputy minister for over a decade before becoming an MLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said: "Speaking exclusively to Global News, Connor Gibson — identified only as ‘AB’ in the Plecas report — says he was asked by a Liberal MLA Linda Reid to file what he describes at inappropriate expenses." https://globalnews.ca/news/4876766/whistleblower-alleges-legislature-expense-issues-beyond-clerk-and-sergeant-at-arms/https://www.straight.com/news/1191746/darryl-plecas-report-legislature-expenses-turns-spotlight-assistant-deputy-speaker Here we go! This doesn't end with just the two people in question. There is probably "much" more to come. I expect to see a few Liberal resignations and a long drawn out criminal investigation. The corruption in that Liberal party is finally busted. I won't be too surprised who may be next. Read the December meeting minutes and decide for yourself. https://www.leg.bc.ca/content/CommitteeDocuments/41st-parliament/LAMC/2019-01-21/02_LAMC_Minutes_2018-12-19_Draft.pdf not to make excuses, but its not exactly watergate But no doubt there are a lot of Liberal MLAs going back over their expense claims today things like this are only good if they actually create long-term change. If this doesn't lead to a new oversight system then its just theatre. "I was told just to process them, they were around filing taxi and mileage on the same day which is not quite possible,” Gibson said. “In terms of the claims I am concerned about, the value is very small but to me the amount doesn’t matter. It’s about doing the right thing.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: the speculation tax might curb things a tiny bit, now, after most of the investment, but I think they would have rode that gravy train just as much as the Liberals did. And other than the tax? whats going on? not much. I didn't ignore it, I stated in other places that things like the casino's are vile. Not making excuses for the Libs at all. It wasn't even "riding" the gravy train...it was helping to set it up. I have so much more faith right now in the NDP and the Liberals, to me, are a conniving bunch. I feel there is so much deception that has come to be the norm in that party. I mean, all politics involves people who will take advantage of their role to serve a personal agenda to some degree. But this was blatant abuse of power that has created some huge messes...mostly to the average Joes who are struggling to make ends meet. I really like David Eby (know a bit about him from before he got into politics and was doing some great work out there) and John Horgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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