[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Chicago Blackhawks | Feb. 07, 2019

[Quantum]

33 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Would really like to see this team utilize some of the depth it has built up on the farm.

 

In a season like this and at this current stage with injuries, we should be seeing what we have in guys like Brisebois, MacEwan, Gaudette and Dahlen.

 

Really what's the harm? Are they really going to cost us games right now? As it stands, guys like Goldobin and Pouliot are not getting it done. Time to give younger hungrier players opportunities. 

The problem is getting those guys to Vancouver. Several players will need to hit waivers.

 

Goldobin won't hit waivers, it's clear management hasn't given up on him. And he's better than several players currently on the roster.

 

What really sucks, and this is Benning's fault, is that Schaller clearly shouldn't be on the roster. He just hasn't been the player he was last year in Boston. Apparently ownership isn't interested in seeing Schaller and Gagner buried in the minors. The team picked one to send to the AHL. They picked Gagner. Schaller will probably get the Gagner treatment next year if he isn't dealt at the deadline or in the summer.

 

I think there's a genuine case to be made that Granlund should be waived. He's never going to hit that 19 goal season and is a shell of his potential. The trade that got him was a big win for the Canucks but he's not very productive anymore. MacEwen would be better in the bottom six. He's got size, a shot, and uses his body. He's also the ultimate underdog in this organization. Undrafted QMJHL player who wasn't even in the Q during his draft year. He's clawed his way up at every level. There was a hit piece article written about him at CanucksArmy calling his signing "a waste of a contract space" and "pour asset management" that caused the writer of the article to write an apology article a year later about how WRONG he was to write that article in the first place. MacEwen has the intangibles of compete and character, exactly what the Canucks like. He should see some time with the Canucks before the season ends. Ideally before the deadline.

 

Pouliot needs to go. He's just bad. He plays that sloppy style of hockey that is AHL hockey. He's probably the Reid Boucher of defensemen in this organization. He's not good enough and should not be a regular NHLer but will probably be a perennial AHL all-star. He'd be great in Utica if he clears. And I think he'd clear. He, like Del Zotto, probably spends September on a PTO elsewhere. That's why waiving won't be a waste. The Canucks got him by trading a 4th and a KHLer for him. Losing the 4th sucks but he did play a season and a half for us. The player selected in the 4th round probably never plays an NHL game. It's time to take your losses. It's sort of a "meh" deal. Canucks win it, but it doesn't feel like a win. I'd replace Pouliot with Brisebois, Sautner, McEneny, or Chatfield. Preferably Sautner first since he showed well at the end of last season. Then, Brisebois. Then McEneny. And then Chatfield.  That's just my opinion.

 

Gaudette is a unique case. He should be in the NHL. He's better than Sutter. He's a point per game at the AHL level. He's the future 3rd line C of this team. He should be centering our third scoring line. Problem is, Sutter is in the way. And Sutter needs to get moved. Sutter probably doesn't get moved this season. And that sucks. Sutter's been a good stopgap between generations of Canucks. But Sutter's deal is one year too long and it's costing the Canucks now. The Canucks would be in a better position with Gaudette in the lineup. He's faster and more skilled than Sutter. Only downside is that Sutter is a better "defensive" player. I don't hate Gaudette playing in the AHL for the back half of the season. It'll be good to give him 1C time and confidence and it's good to have him develop some chemistry with Zack MacEwen because, in the future, I could see a Leivo/Gaudette/MacEwen line really taking off as our 3rd line when the Canucks hit there prime. The real question for the Canucks is do they trust Gaudette enough to move Sutter in the summer. I'm sure if they deal Sutter in the offseason and don't take a significant body back -- especially on draft day -- there'd probably be cheers at Rogers Arena. Big question will be if management has the balls to pull the trigger. Because Horvat/Pettersson/Gaudette/Beagle down the middle is pretty damn solid. Add in a Tyler Madden in March 2020 (that's when I expect he'll go pro), things are going to get interesting.

 

I think it's best for the Canucks to let Dahlen play the entire year in Utica. He's still adjusting. And there isn't a spot in the Top 6 for him at the moment. My worry is that he'll become a "Goldobin" type of player without the right kind of development. I don't expect Dahlen to get NHL games this year but should get some next season.

 

The player I'd absolutely love to see get some games at the tail end of this season is Lukas Jasek. He's such a fun player to watch in Utica. He's all over the ice, creates plays, and never seems discouraged by lack of playing time. I think he's going to be a Canucks for awhile. He's from the same draft class as Boeser, Gaudette, and Brisebois (2015), so he should be close to getting some NHL time. Honestly, Schaller's probably the reason Jasek won't get NHL time this season AND THAT BLOWS. Because I think if you have Motte, Jasek, and Roussel buzzing around your bottom six, you're going to create a lot of fast havoc for the opposition and it would just make for some VERY fun hockey to watch. 

 

The other anchor on this Canucks team is Eriksson. There's rumors he may retire after July 1 as that's the last year of his HUGE bonuses. As the rest of the contract mellows out. His NMC becomes a NTC. If Eriksson doesn't retire (as I suspect, he's still young-ish), there's definitely a market for him. Probably a cap floor team will take him on. Ottawa comes to mind. Maybe Carolina. Or Arizona. He's solid defensively but he's a shell of his former self. I suspect if he gets injured near the end of season, much like last season, the Canucks will just "shut him down" for the year and let a young guy play. MacEwen/Jasek probably come in to replace him. That's the best hope.

 

Outside of trading him, I legitimately don't know what to make of Gudbranson being on this roster. I like his size? He seems like a really nice guy? But that's about it... UGH, why did the Canucks re-sign him last year?!?!?!?

 

But I'm with you. Wish the Canucks would get the young guys in. I just don't know HOW they get the young guys in.

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

[xereau]

7 minutes ago, Quantum said:

The problem is getting those guys to Vancouver. Several players will need to hit waivers.

 

Goldobin won't hit waivers, it's clear management hasn't given up on him. And he's better than several players currently on the roster.

 

What really sucks, and this is Benning's fault, is that Schaller clearly shouldn't be on the roster. He just hasn't been the player he was last year in Boston. Apparently ownership isn't interested in seeing Schaller and Gagner buried in the minors. The team picked one to send to the AHL. They picked Gagner. Schaller will probably get the Gagner treatment next year if he isn't dealt at the deadline or in the summer.

 

I think there's a genuine case to be made that Granlund should be waived. He's never going to hit that 19 goal season and is a shell of his potential. The trade that got him was a big win for the Canucks but he's not very productive anymore. MacEwen would be better in the bottom six. He's got size, a shot, and uses his body. He's also the ultimate underdog in this organization. Undrafted QMJHL player who wasn't even in the Q during his draft year. He's clawed his way up at every level. There was a hit piece article written about him at CanucksArmy calling his signing "a waste of a contract space" and "pour asset management" that caused the writer of the article to write an apology article a year later about how WRONG he was to write that article in the first place. MacEwen has the intangibles of compete and character, exactly what the Canucks like. He should see some time with the Canucks before the season ends. Ideally before the deadline.

 

Pouliot needs to go. He's just bad. He plays that sloppy style of hockey that is AHL hockey. He's probably the Reid Boucher of defensemen in this organization. He's not good enough and should not be a regular NHLer but will probably be a perennial AHL all-star. He'd be great in Utica if he clears. And I think he'd clear. He, like Del Zotto, probably spends September on a PTO elsewhere. That's why waiving won't be a waste. The Canucks got him by trading a 4th and a KHLer for him. Losing the 4th sucks but he did play a season and a half for us. The player selected in the 4th round probably never plays an NHL game. It's time to take your losses. It's sort of a "meh" deal. Canucks win it, but it doesn't feel like a win. I'd replace Pouliot with Brisebois, Sautner, McEneny, or Chatfield. Preferably Sautner first since he showed well at the end of last season. Then, Brisebois. Then McEneny. And then Chatfield.  That's just my opinion.

 

Gaudette is a unique case. He should be in the NHL. He's better than Sutter. He's a point per game at the AHL level. He's the future 3rd line C of this team. He should be centering our third scoring line. Problem is, Sutter is in the way. And Sutter needs to get moved. Sutter probably doesn't get moved this season. And that sucks. Sutter's been a good stopgap between generations of Canucks. But Sutter's deal is one year too long and it's costing the Canucks now. The Canucks would be in a better position with Gaudette in the lineup. He's faster and more skilled than Sutter. Only downside is that Sutter is a better "defensive" player. I don't hate Gaudette playing in the AHL for the back half of the season. It'll be good to give him 1C time and confidence and it's good to have him develop some chemistry with Zack MacEwen because, in the future, I could see a Leivo/Gaudette/MacEwen line really taking off as our 3rd line when the Canucks hit there prime. The real question for the Canucks is do they trust Gaudette enough to move Sutter in the summer. I'm sure if they deal Sutter in the offseason and don't take a significant body back -- especially on draft day -- there'd probably be cheers at Rogers Arena. Big question will be if management has the balls to pull the trigger. Because Horvat/Pettersson/Gaudette/Beagle down the middle is pretty damn solid. Add in a Tyler Madden in March 2020 (that's when I expect he'll go pro), things are going to get interesting.

 

I think it's best for the Canucks to let Dahlen play the entire year in Utica. He's still adjusting. And there isn't a spot in the Top 6 for him at the moment. My worry is that he'll become a "Goldobin" type of player without the right kind of development. I don't expect Dahlen to get NHL games this year but should get some next season.

 

The player I'd absolutely love to see get some games at the tail end of this season is Lukas Jasek. He's such a fun player to watch in Utica. He's all over the ice, creates plays, and never seems discouraged by lack of playing time. I think he's going to be a Canucks for awhile. He's from the same draft class as Boeser, Gaudette, and Brisebois (2015), so he should be close to getting some NHL time. Honestly, Schaller's probably the reason Jasek won't get NHL time this season AND THAT BLOWS. Because I think if you have Motte, Jasek, and Roussel buzzing around your bottom six, you're going to create a lot of fast havoc for the opposition and it would just make for some VERY fun hockey to watch. 

 

The other anchor on this Canucks team is Eriksson. There's rumors he may retire after July 1 as that's the last year of his HUGE bonuses. As the rest of the contract mellows out. His NMC becomes a NTC. If Eriksson doesn't retire (as I suspect, he's still young-ish), there's definitely a market for him. Probably a cap floor team will take him on. Ottawa comes to mind. Maybe Carolina. Or Arizona. He's solid defensively but he's a shell of his former self. I suspect if he gets injured near the end of season, much like last season, the Canucks will just "shut him down" for the year and let a young guy play. MacEwen/Jasek probably come in to replace him. That's the best hope.

 

Outside of trading him, I legitimately don't know what to make of Gudbranson being on this roster. I like his size? He seems like a really nice guy? But that's about it... UGH, why did the Canucks re-sign him last year?!?!?!?

 

But I'm with you. Wish the Canucks would get the young guys in. I just don't know HOW they get the young guys in.

 

 

What a great post.  I agree with you on every single point!

 

Goldy is too good to give up on.

Granlund is a plug.

Pouliot is an absolute disaster all over the ice.

Gaudette centering Leivo and MacEwen makes my heart leap.

MacEwen will make the NHL.

Schaller is the speedbump preventing it.

Dahlen is still a wildcard (was pegged 3rd line ceiling by Sens' scouts).

Jasek will get his shot too.  Wish it was this year.

Eriksson retiring is best case scenario.

Jimbo got caught up in all the media fluffing on Gudbranson. Should have traded, or let walk.

[Angry Goose]

canucks got me feeling like:

 

 

[CptCanuck16]

12 minutes ago, Topcheeze86 said:

Tanev has 1 bad game everyone says trade him  

I know! He's a reliable and consistent stay at home defensemen. He's never going to be a flashy goal scorer. He's looked like crap because he's playing on his off wing. Imagine if tomorrow at your job your boss told you you had to start doing everything with your non dominant hand. How do you think you would do?

 

 

As an aside, when Horvat broke out on that 3 on 1 short handed I was like 'this gonna be good' until I realized Tanev and Erikson were the other two with him, lol.

[canuck73_3]

24 minutes ago, Topcheeze86 said:

Tanev has 1 bad game everyone says trade him  

Welcome to CDC

[CptCanuck16]

19 minutes ago, Quantum said:

 

 

The other anchor on this Canucks team is Eriksson. There's rumors he may retire after July 1 as that's the last year of his HUGE bonuses. As the rest of the contract mellows out. His NMC becomes a NTC. If Eriksson doesn't retire (as I suspect, he's still young-ish), there's definitely a market for him. Probably a cap floor team will take him on. Ottawa comes to mind. Maybe Carolina. Or Arizona. He's solid defensively but he's a shell of his former self. I suspect if he gets injured near the end of season, much like last season, the Canucks will just "shut him down" for the year and let a young guy play. MacEwen/Jasek probably come in to replace him. That's the best hope.

 

Outside of trading him, I legitimately don't know what to make of Gudbranson being on this roster. I like his size? He seems like a really nice guy? But that's about it... UGH, why did the Canucks re-sign him last year?!?!?!?

 

 

 

Yeah,  Erikson looks old and slow out there and he's only 2 years into a 6 year deal. He's essentially a glorified defenseman. He always makes the safe play and defends well but is virtually a non threat on offense. He gad 10 goals last season and 5 or 6 of those were empty netters. I hope he does retire. I think deep down he knows he doesn't deserve that contract and thats he's too old to match up with the young kids anymore. I wish him the best whatever he decides but I really don't want to see him in a Canucks uniform drawing a $6m salary for another 4 years.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Thoughts on the PP:  

 

Canucks should consider moving EP40 back to the right point on the PP. 

 

Why? 

 

-  Because he has an awesome shot and he passes really well. 

 

-  From the point he is guaranteed to get a one timer... either the player on the right half boards can feed him or the other point can feed him... the PK cannot prevent it.  Although the goalie doesn't have to move as far when reacting to these passes to a one timer, a shot as good as EP40's with the goalie moving has a decent chance of going in... or alternately resulting in a rebound which Bo can pounce on.   I actually believe EP40 can score from the point against an unscreened goalie... he has that hard a shot.

 

-  Putting EP40 on the right point also allows him to use his passing to feed either Boeser or Horvat on the half boards more easily for one timers... he doesn't have to cross ice pass through the defending PK sticks.  This will give Boeser more opportunities for his one timer, which is also deadly.

 

-  Use Hutton on the left defense which is his natural position and his best shooting position.  He can also take one timers from EP40.

 

-  Put Bo on the right half boards and have him move in and out of that position and in front of the net depending on whether EP40 has the puck and/or is shooting or passing to him for a one timer.

 

-  Having EP40 as the quarterback on the point allows for multiple players to have lots of opportunities for one timers.... right now they are rare.

[*Buzzsaw*]

2 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

Yeah,  Erikson looks old and slow out there and he's only 2 years into a 6 year deal. He's essentially a glorified defenseman. He always makes the safe play and defends well but is virtually a non threat on offense. He gad 10 goals last season and 5 or 6 of those were empty netters. I hope he does retire. I think deep down he knows he doesn't deserve that contract and thats he's too old to match up with the young kids anymore. I wish him the best whatever he decides but I really don't want to see him in a Canucks uniform drawing a $6m salary for another 4 years.

There is no way Eriksson retires... would you turn down $24 million?  Even if you had to play in Utica?

[shiznak]

FYI, Pouliot was the one who made a pinch and kept the puck in the offensive zone, on the first Canucks goal. But of course that gets unnoticed because he looked lost in the defensive zone.

[apollo]

2 hours ago, Toyotasfan said:

Hutton playing more than Eagle would in his place!

Really not impressed with coach giving Bulldog only 12 minutes... You noticed him every shift he was out there... Can't believe he only got 12 minutes 

[CptCanuck16]

6 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

There is no way Eriksson retires... would you turn down $24 million?  Even if you had to play in Utica?

I see your point. Actually his real salary for the next 4 years will be $13m. His contract was front loaded so he made $8m his first year and $7m this year, dropping down to $5m next year. The salary cap is averaged out so he is a cap hit of $6m every season. Still though you would think the guy has enough money already wouldn't you? If I was paid $8m just once in my life I would be set for life!

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/loui-eriksson

 

[*Buzzsaw*]

1 minute ago, CptCanuck16 said:

I see your point. Actually his real salary for the next 4 years will be $13m. His contract was front loaded so he made $8m his first year and $7m this year, dropping down to $5m next year. The salary cap is averaged out so he is a cap hit of $6m every season. Still though you would think the guy has enough money already wouldn't you? If I was paid $8m just once in my life I would be set for life!

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/loui-eriksson

 

There are always your kid's college... your relatives... your relatives kids... an investment here, and investment there.  Money is easy to spend.

[TNucks1]

3 hours ago, xereau said:

Very lopsided officiating, again.

Our veterans are invisible.

Pettersson was all over the place.

Paging Bo Horvat.  Bo?

LoL Gudbranson and Pouliot are on the same team.

i agree on the first part, but Bo was all over the place tonight..

[Dats hockey]

I hate losing as much as the next guy but, this Tanev hate is laughable 

[TNucks1]

3 hours ago, kurtis said:

Green's and browns days are numbered !!!! 

green isnt apart of the PP, brown is and i agree we need to change it next season.

[Scottish⑦Canuck]

3 hours ago, Qwags said:

I'm frustrated right now. Newell Brown needs to go.

Newell Brown has needed to go for years now. 

 

Somehow he keeps a job. 

[TNucks1]

really dont know why posters on this fourm think adam guadette can take over sutter's mintues without a full season of AHL time and part time NHL games, i like hockey guad too...but let him develope unless lets go full Coilers and rush prospects. the trade proposals are getting old.

[CptCanuck16]

28 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

There is no way Eriksson retires... would you turn down $24 million?  Even if you had to play in Utica?

Looking at it again I see LE is actually on the 3rd year of his 6 year deal. After next season he has a modified NTC. The terms of which stipulate that he can select 15 teams he doesn't want to be traded to but the other 17 (or whatever) are fair game. So worst case scenario we put up with him for 1 more season and dump him after that. He can even be a healthy scratch half the season to make room for some of the kids coming in for all I care.

[CptCanuck16]

2 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

really dont know why posters on this fourm think adam guadette can take over sutter's mintues without a full season of AHL time and part time NHL games, i like hockey guad too...but let him develope unless lets go full Coilers and rush prospects. the trade proposals are getting old.

Not sure why so many of you have a hard on for Gaudette. He looks like a 3rd or 4th line player out there. I don't think he'll ever top more than 40 points in a season for his entire career.