oldnews Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: I see you conveniently you didn't answer the question, not surprisingly. deliberately obtuse without a whiff of the evidence. good lines of meaningless smoke you produce, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, johngould21 said: I think the entire pp improves IF, someone on the back end can get the puck through to the net. All of these guys have their shots blocked going for the hard slap shot. Just get the damn thing through to the net with a simple wrister. that was one area where Ehrhoff was truly elite. he just found shooting lanes and got the puck to the net - with great results. Kesler for one used to feast on his simple wristers that were well timed - he just found the lanes. I think Stecher has some of this headiness to this part of his game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, oldnews said: you didn't answer the question, not surprisingly. deliberately obtuse without a whiff of the evidence. good lines of meaningless smoke you produce, though. Maybe this will help a little bit What was the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Maybe this will help a little bit What was the question? duh it's been about as pointless as usual. cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Davathor said: I havent given up on Jake as a top 6, but we definitely need another capable guy. That Boeser Petterson Leivo line has looked deadly, and been deadly. Bo needs a linemate. i believe that we need a sniper and a playmaker in the top six. we don’t have anyone that fills those roles. jake could make it as an energy forward but he isn’t consistant enough yet. baertschi has some good qualities but not quite there and goldy is a train wreck most of the time. could dahlen make it there eventually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 hours ago, DontFockWithBrock said: That's frickin ridiculous. Do you happen to know how he ranks league-wide for primary points? haven't done the math but he's probably a little behind due to the missed games. He is currently 15th in goals/60 and 16th in points/60 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: 43/50 of his points are primary he's also got some weird Sedinian kinda symmetry thing going. 25 goals 25 assists 18 even strength goals, 18 even strength assists. 7 powerplay goals, 7 powerplay assists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, Megalodon said: “” is a strong word. I respect your opinion, don’t share it...or hate it. My opinion is my own, it doesn’t need your validation. Thanks. I appologize for the use of the term "hate"... I know what you mean. I'm embarrassed have used it. Thank you for calling me me out on that I meant no disrespect to you. I completely respect your opinion. Never meant to challenge that... and I don't even disagree with it. I absolutely love Petey. Early days suggests that he will be the best player this team has ever seen, possibly one of the best players the league has ever seen. ftr... I do not consider McDavid, Mathews or Eichal to be Generational! Regardless, no offense intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, oldnews said: he's also got some weird Sedinian kinda symmetry thing going. 25 goals 25 assists 18 even strength goals, 18 even strength assists. 7 powerplay goals, 7 powerplay assists... well, he has taken over for both of them in many ways I loved how scrappy he was at certain points last night, he doesn't want anyone to carry his water. Its a bit scary as he will put himself into riskier situations, but the kid seems to have that desire to go to tough areas, again much like the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Except Eriksson is much better than Gagner to even suggest Gagner is a better option is laughable at best. And you say this because......? Numbers wise, Eriksson has a slight edge at 0.64PPG over his career vs Gagne's 0.56 but the big difference is that Eriksson put up good numbers early in his career and has essentially fallen of a cliff since joining Vancouver and appears to no longer have any offensive prowess anymore. How many times have we seen him carry the puck into the zone with time and space for a shot only to end up passing it to someone else who's covered by one or two defenders resulting in a turn over? It happens at least twice a game! Gagner on the other hand, has been consistently putting up around 40pts (10G, 30A) season after season. I'd rather have someone who you know exactly what to expect in terms of production and who will chip in from time to time to score a goal or set one up rather than a one dimensional PK specialist. When you factor in salary ($3.5m Gagner vs $7.0m Eriksson ) it's no contest! But of course we're stuck with Eriksson for at least one more season until his modified NTC kicks in. I honestly believe that horrible contract is the only reason he's still here and Gagne's in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 None was taken..or given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, CptCanuck16 said: And you say this because......? It's fact and to deny it is beyond stupid. There's a reason that not only is Gagner in the minors but no team took him for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: It's fact and to deny it is beyond stupid. There's a reason that not only is Gagner in the minors but no team took him for free. I can only assume that someone would want Gagner over Loui because of a lack of appreciation for the defensive side of the game. Gag's was an insurance policy, a stop gap for depth if we needed it. We don't. He's not particularly useful, and to give him a "specialist" job on the PP and let him float otherwise sends the wrong message to the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: It is fairly simple to explain, management told fans he would be a top 4 dman that is why they traded a 1rst round pick (McCann), a second round pick and a fourth round pick at a time that the team had only one young forward, Horvat. They maintained this stature and signed him to low end top 4 money, the most they had paid except for Tanev. And yes they put him up as a top dman until last year when the story changed to how good he is in the "room" and how much Florida missed him. Apparently anyone who plays with him on defence has their stats go south. Bending not breaking, I think the only guy that didn't take a break for awhile last night was Markstom, that domination was breaking, bending might be keeping shots low without many shots for, but for about 17 minutes in the second they were done. Really bad news for them, Carlyle got canned and Getslaf called out …...everyone, they now have four days rest to mull this over while waiting for the Nucks to show up. In terms of mins he can play and be effective, I'd say he's a #3-5 dman. As ON says, he might not be able to make as fast a pivot as a Tanev and his first pass might not be as good as we'd like, but he's good defensively, he's smart, he's a great leader and, most of all, he is deeply feared by the opposition. That puts him into top 5 category, at least. Personally, I think he or Edler should get the C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said: And you say this because......? Numbers wise, Eriksson has a slight edge at 0.64PPG over his career vs Gagne's 0.56 but the big difference is that Eriksson put up good numbers early in his career and has essentially fallen of a cliff since joining Vancouver and appears to no longer have any offensive prowess anymore. How many times have we seen him carry the puck into the zone with time and space for a shot only to end up passing it to someone else who's covered by one or two defenders resulting in a turn over? It happens at least twice a game! Gagner on the other hand, has been consistently putting up around 40pts (10G, 30A) season after season. I'd rather have someone who you know exactly what to expect in terms of production and who will chip in from time to time to score a goal or set one up rather than a one dimensional PK specialist. When you factor in salary ($3.5m Gagner vs $7.0m Eriksson ) it's no contest! But of course we're stuck with Eriksson for at least one more season until his modified NTC kicks in. I honestly believe that horrible contract is the only reason he's still here and Gagne's in the minors. If you can't see, by now, that Eriksson has soany more tools than offensive skills, there's not much anyone can do to change your mind. There's a reason he's in the role he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: It's fact and to deny it is beyond stupid. There's a reason that not only is Gagner in the minors but no team took him for free. Okay, I see you have no actual argument then. You don't stick around 12 years in the league being a no talent bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said: Okay, I see you have no actual argument then. You don't stick around 12 years in the league being a no talent bum. No the argument isn't necessary because anyone with even a hint of hockey smarts knows that Eriksson is the better player. Put Gagner on the PK and see how that goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: I can only assume that someone would want Gagner over Loui because of a lack of appreciation for the defensive side of the game. Gag's was an insurance policy, a stop gap for depth if we needed it. We don't. He's not particularly useful, and to give him a "specialist" job on the PP and let him float otherwise sends the wrong message to the rest of the team. I thought the rub on Gagner, at the time, was a powerplay specialist as a result of his play with CBJ...therefore, signed him for $3M/season....unfortunately, he wasn't the reason CBJ had a good PP and his performance with the Canucks reflected this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said: And you say this because......? Numbers wise, Eriksson has a slight edge at 0.64PPG over his career vs Gagne's 0.56 but the big difference is that Eriksson put up good numbers early in his career and has essentially fallen of a cliff since joining Vancouver and appears to no longer have any offensive prowess anymore. How many times have we seen him carry the puck into the zone with time and space for a shot only to end up passing it to someone else who's covered by one or two defenders resulting in a turn over? It happens at least twice a game! Gagner on the other hand, has been consistently putting up around 40pts (10G, 30A) season after season. I'd rather have someone who you know exactly what to expect in terms of production and who will chip in from time to time to score a goal or set one up rather than a one dimensional PK specialist. When you factor in salary ($3.5m Gagner vs $7.0m Eriksson ) it's no contest! But of course we're stuck with Eriksson for at least one more season until his modified NTC kicks in. I honestly believe that horrible contract is the only reason he's still here and Gagne's in the minors. Please stop! Please stop with this bs, Gagner couldn't carry LE jock strap, nor should he. Do you even watch the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, stawns said: If you can't see, by now, that Eriksson has soany more tools than offensive skills, there's not much anyone can do to change your mind. There's a reason he's in the role he's in. Well yeah, I understand he's good defensively, but you don't usually pay a guy in a 4th line shutdown defensive role $7m a season ($8m the previous two seasons). That isn't the role he was brought here for. He was supposed to be a first line guy scoring 30+ goals a season. That's what the expectation was. But yeah, we're stuck with him so I guess you gotta look on the bright side and say we have one of the best $7m dollar 4th liners in the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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