kingofsurrey Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Lionized27 said: https://nationalpost.com/full-comment/david-frum-the-disastrous-legacy-of-pierre-trudeau Edit: You are quoting a former speech writer for George Bush..... A Rudolph Giuliani's presidential campaign adviser...... YOU CrACK me up.... Good one.... Get back to me when you want a serious debate.......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum In 2009, Frum described his political beliefs as follows: "I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the 'Read My Lips' Bush, the 'Axis of Evil' Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: You are quoting a former speech writer for George Bush..... A Rudolph Giuliani's presidential campaign adviser...... YOU CrACK me up.... Good one.... Get back to me when you want a serious debate.......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum In 2009, Frum described his political beliefs as follows: "I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the 'Read My Lips' Bush, the 'Axis of Evil' Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea "Serious debate" and your name DO NOT go together. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Lionized27 said: "Serious debate" and your name DO NOT go together. Serious debate... You don't have the background info to enter a middle school debate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lionized27 said: "Serious debate" and your name DO NOT go together. You quote A Rudolph Giuliani's presidential campaign adviser...... Hahahaha . - you are hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Serious debate... You don't have the background info to enter a middle school debate..... Who are you, exactly? Again, check your &Ucking post history. Moron. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Good luck in your battle against kos 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Violator said: Good luck in your battle against kos Appreciate that. Apparently he's too shortsighted to remember our last debate on this exact subject and refuses numerous reminders. Hence the moron remark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheAce said: When Alberta had enough of what the Conservatives were doing ( provincially ) they voted them out so I disagree there would be no complaining. So its ok to do whatever possible to save 9000 jobs ( which in reality would probably be alot less because the contracts SNC lose out on can be picked up by other Canadian companies ) but Trudeau barely blinks an eye when over 120,000 jobs were lost in Alberta . After hearing her testimony do you consider what they did to her unethical ? Do you agree she should have lost her position because she didnt give in to there pressure ? TLDR with this entire scandal. The liberals know if they keep Quebec happy they stay in power and can get their laws approved. Jody didn't want to bend the rules in order to keep her party in power with a majority government. Alberta will always be heavily conservative no matter what the Liberals do so helping Alberta really isn't that appealing. With all that said it's the archaic voting system that is causing this. Andrew Weaver tried to bring in proportional representation in BC but both the NDP and BC Liberals spearheaded against it. With proportional representation, it's nearly impossible to get a majority government, as it should. Edited February 28, 2019 by peaches5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
406in604 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Nothing wrong with a nations leader asking another government official to end an investigation, amirite? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 10 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: You need to study Canadian history.... https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/pierre-elliott-trudeau-feature In a recent book, two historians ranked Pierre Trudeau a paltry fifth among Canada's prime ministers. If criteria for eminence were to include vision, force of character, style or intellect, then surely none but Macdonald would surpass Trudeau. He would be considered truly the second father of his country. You didn't even respond to what he said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 @Warhippy you love the whataboutisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, 406in604 said: Nothing wrong with a nations leader asking another government official to end an investigation, amirite? It's funny because a few in here are looking like complete hypocrites for sure. Not sure what @kingofsurrey is doing in here he just admitted the other day he has no clue about this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
406in604 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: It's funny because a few in here are looking like complete hypocrites for sure. Not sure what @kingofsurrey is doing in here he just admitted the other day he has no clue about this story. Good enough for me but not for thee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 11 hours ago, otherwise said: but why would she undermine that decision? it would basically be saying that there had been an error in judgement. which it doesn't appear to have happened so, no it was not a legal option. SNC have a history of corruption so I don't think that they should get a slap on the wrist this time. I think AGs can feel pressure even if they are separate. It takes integrity to not cave to that pressure. dictators can also bend the justice system to suit their needs or wants. because of the consequences for real peoples jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, 406in604 said: Nothing wrong with a nations leader asking another government official to end an investigation, amirite? thats not even remotely what happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: It's funny because a few in here are looking like complete hypocrites for sure. Not sure what @kingofsurrey is doing in here he just admitted the other day he has no clue about this story. why because we're not joining the CPC party? there's already a lot of bs floating around about what this is, but what is clear is this is about how much pressure is "too much" to put on an AG, not anything about whether or not the option Trudeau wanted (and didn't get) was legal. It is. For me, its really interesting that JWR really didn't seem to understand her cabinet colleagues reactions to her and this issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
406in604 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats not even remotely what happened. Oh. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/political-scandal-worsens-for-canadas-justin-trudeau-11551312209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, 406in604 said: Oh. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/political-scandal-worsens-for-canadas-justin-trudeau-11551312209 The investigation doesn't "end" it moves to the legal remediation option. You're trying to make it sound like SNC would just be getting off with no consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: why because we're not joining the CPC party? there's already a lot of bs floating around about what this is, but what is clear is this is about how much pressure is "too much" to put on an AG, not anything about whether or not the option Trudeau wanted (and didn't get) was legal. It is. For me, its really interesting that JWR really didn't seem to understand her cabinet colleagues reactions to her and this issue. It has nothing to do with the cpc. When I say hypocrites I was referring to Trump lying and JT lying. The same people defending JT blast Trump. JT can't stop lying, remember he said JWR never discussed anything with him? Meanwhile she claims she did and even warned him about what he was suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: It has nothing to do with the cpc. When I say hypocrites I was referring to Trump lying and JT lying. The same people defending JT blast Trump. JT can't stop lying, remember he said JWR never discussed anything with him? Meanwhile she claims she did and even warned him about what he was suggesting. Well, I don't know whats left to lie about now like I said from the start, this needed to all come out fast and right away. I guess Butts didn't get my memo. I'm not happy at all with how Trudeau has handled his side of this (you can go back to his "evolving" comments on it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-says-he-removed-wilson-raybould-from-justice-because-of/). I really can't believe how badly he misread JWR either, but I do think she does bear some of this in the sense that if you are that principled that you can't see the need for political concessions from time to time then don't take a cabinet job. So here we are. Is there Illegal activity. Nope. But people will have to decide if they want to bring this gov't down over it, or go back to 'lil Harper which also had its share of nasty business. I think what is has done is make Trudeau extremely vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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