406in604 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: No I'm here to tell you David Frum is a known liar and if you somehow someway decide that a debate piece where he gets his say without posting the other sides statements is credible over simple historical fact than you're an idiot. Debt by PM. Google it. It will show very simple numerical facts. Trudeau may have screwed up the BOC and dropping the gold standard but if you sincerely think he owns the bulk of the debt you're a partisan simpleton Good thing your sources have never lied, ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: wow.... i actually agree with a lot of that platform. I think they're off in the rhubarb on health care, guns and foreign aid but I do agree on other points. What do you think about the 15% flat tax rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Violator said: https://www.libertarian.ca/want_to_run I checked that - my riding is open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Lockout Casualty said: What do you think about the 15% flat tax rate? I think that could work, you would still need to have programs for lower income people and make sure the top 1/2% don't claim they make $1 per year, but a flat tax on its own doesn't negate that. There's a lot of weaselling that goes on with taxation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Lionized27 said: Good grief. Simply Google "Pierre Trudeau debt legacy" and take your pick of the many articles listed. Good grief indeed. https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/analysis-of-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation.pdf https://refreshfinancial.ca/blog/financial-news-and-advice/the-history-of-canadas-national-debt/ http://qualicuminstitute.ca/federal-debt/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt Take your pick. I even threw a wikipedia one in there at the end. NO matter how you argue it, by sheer numbers, percentages, FACTS PET is not the PM holding the most debt. He IS the one that screwed up with the BOC, by following along and leaving the gold standard, but does NOT hold the most debt. Good grief indeed, as I said. You can say whatever you want but arguing against stark numerical fact just shows a person to be a partisan simpleton willing to believe whatever they can to avoid the truth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Ya they didn't finish that well. https://www.libertarian.ca/ Bernier would have been far smarter to try ascending that platform as leader than starting a new party 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Good grief indeed. https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/analysis-of-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation.pdf https://refreshfinancial.ca/blog/financial-news-and-advice/the-history-of-canadas-national-debt/ http://qualicuminstitute.ca/federal-debt/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt Take your pick. I even threw a wikipedia one in there at the end. NO matter how you argue it, by sheer numbers, percentages, FACTS PET is not the PM holding the most debt. He IS the one that screwed up with the BOC, by following along and leaving the gold standard, but does NOT hold the most debt. Good grief indeed, as I said. You can say whatever you want but arguing against stark numerical fact just shows a person to be a partisan simpleton willing to believe whatever they can to avoid the truth Can't you debate without calling someone a simpleton? You have made blunders yet I don't call you a simpleton. But I guess I try to be nice to you because I want to meet Lana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Good grief indeed. https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/analysis-of-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation.pdf https://refreshfinancial.ca/blog/financial-news-and-advice/the-history-of-canadas-national-debt/ http://qualicuminstitute.ca/federal-debt/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt Take your pick. I even threw a wikipedia one in there at the end. NO matter how you argue it, by sheer numbers, percentages, FACTS PET is not the PM holding the most debt. He IS the one that screwed up with the BOC, by following along and leaving the gold standard, but does NOT hold the most debt. Good grief indeed, as I said. You can say whatever you want but arguing against stark numerical fact just shows a person to be a partisan simpleton willing to believe whatever they can to avoid the truth You and KOS continuing to laud PET is admirable, yet I'm not convinced to consider him in any other way aside from abject failure. Goes to prove just how polarizing he was and continues to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Lionized27 said: You and KOS continuing to laud PET is admirable, yet I'm not convinced to consider him in any other way aside from abject failure. Goes to prove just how polarizing he was and continues to be. There has never been any question to who the most polarizing PM is it's PET. The fact is he doesn't own the most debt but he started the massive borrowing and Mulroney continued it. PET was also the man that started the deep cuts to our military, his cuts were so deep the Americans moved us to reserve forces in west Germany. He certainly wasn't a great PM, under his watch there was defecits, separation in the west and Quebec. The only good he did imo was in 82 when he got Canada it's own constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: There has never been any question to who the most polarizing PM is it's PET. The fact is he doesn't own the most debt but he started the massive borrowing and Mulroney continued it. PET was also the man that started the deep cuts to our military, his cuts were so deep the Americans moved us to reserve forces in west Germany. He certainly wasn't a great PM, under his watch there was defecits, separation in the west and Quebec. The only good he did imo was in 82 when he got Canada it's own constitution. The first Link quoted by warhippy shows an interesting graphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: The fact is he doesn't own the most debt but he started the massive borrowing and Mulroney continued it. PET was also the man that started the deep cuts to our military, his cuts were so deep the Americans moved us to reserve forces in west Germany. He certainly wasn't a great PM, under his watch there was defecits, separation in the west and Quebec. The only good he did imo was in 82 when he got Canada it's own constitution. https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf According to that link: Pierre Trudeau - 738% increase in debt Brian Mulroney - 67% increase in debt Jean Chretien - 1.8% increase Paul Martin - 4.7% decrease Stephen Harper - 12.6% increase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Gnarcore said: Clearly I was just busting balls 4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: I know. I'm messing around. Now go home and get your shoebox Ryan Strome! (I'd post that classic Goodfellas movie scene but it's NSFW - language) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Lionized27 said: You and KOS continuing to laud PET is admirable, yet I'm not convinced to consider him in any other way aside from abject failure. Goes to prove just how polarizing he was and continues to be. No no no. You don't get to toss red herrings or straw men around. While PET did in fact start the race towards indebted servitude he was far from the most prolific spender and while he raised debt his debt GDP ratio was far from the largest. You can have your opinion but opinion is not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, DonLever said: https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf According to that link: Pierre Trudeau - 738% increase in debt Brian Mulroney - 67% increase in debt Jean Chretien - 1.8% increase Paul Martin - 4.7% decrease Stephen Harper - 12.6% increase thats just so misleading tho. All the G7 countries that started deficit spending, and they all did and do, have a 1st leader that starts the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, DonLever said: https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf According to that link: Pierre Trudeau - 738% increase in debt Brian Mulroney - 67% increase in debt Jean Chretien - 1.8% increase Paul Martin - 4.7% decrease Stephen Harper - 12.6% increase That in itself IS factual, it all started after he shuttered the BOC and started borrowing from banks instead of from the nation itself. Here's to hoping Rocco wins that case. Not sure what stage it is at yet because it's gone very quiet but hoping he wins. His increase is directly tied to that idiocy. But. He still does not hold the highest increase in debt, just the percentage of. As when he started that it was effectively nothing. But when the other bodies in the seat took over, that was when it became the runaway issue it is now. But in essence that is someone saying a $78 billion increase is somehow worse than a $330 billion increase which...well come on let's be honest here. Is seriously cherry picking. It does highlight just how good Chretien was though which still baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats just so misleading tho. All the G7 countries that started deficit spending, and they all did and do, have a 1st leader that starts the process. It is incredibly misleading you're right. People sincerely think that a 787% increase of effectively nothing is worse than a 67.7% increase from $157.2 billion. I don't get how people can capably claim that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It is incredibly misleading you're right. People sincerely think that a 787% increase of effectively nothing is worse than a 67.7% increase from $157.2 billion. I don't get how people can capably claim that fits the narrative. Mulroney and Harper debt = good, Liberal debt = bad. I mean, look at the percentages!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, DonLever said: https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CoverStory24-27WEB.pdf According to that link: Pierre Trudeau - 738% increase in debt Brian Mulroney - 67% increase in debt Jean Chretien - 1.8% increase Paul Martin - 4.7% decrease Stephen Harper - 12.6% increase Well then I apologize. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherwise Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: because of the consequences for real peoples jobs. I've already posted that I don't believe anyone would lose their job or that SNC would actually move to London because of Brexit. keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, otherwise said: I've already posted that I don't believe anyone would lose their job or that SNC would actually move to London because of Brexit. keep up. oh thats great, YOU don't think so. Well, I'm sure the 9,000 workers and their families are at ease now. Well done. SNC already has a London hub btw, so why would they not move? (https://www.atkinsglobal.com/en-gb/media-centre/news-releases/2018/mar/2018-03-28) maybe look at this as well: 715.31 The purpose of this Part is to establish a remediation agreement regime that is applicable to organizations alleged to have committed an offence and that has the following objectives: (a) to denounce an organization’s wrongdoing and the harm that the wrongdoing has caused to victims or to the community; (b) to hold the organization accountable for its wrongdoing through effective, proportionate and dissuasive penalties; (c) to contribute to respect for the law by imposing an obligation on the organization to put in place corrective measures and promote a compliance culture; (d) to encourage voluntary disclosure of the wrongdoing; (e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and (f) to reduce the negative consequences of the wrongdoing for persons — employees, customers, pensioners and others — who did not engage in the wrongdoing, while holding responsible those individuals who did engage in that wrongdoing. Edited March 1, 2019 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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