Linus Karlsson | C

[Mo Grit]

1 minute ago, BananaMash said:

Love Linus Karlsson, and really wanted us to draft him. I think he could be an excellent sleeper prospect.

Encouraging outlook at least.

Wonder why the Sharks gave up on him.

They dumped Goldy on Jimbo, so perhaps they were delighted to get another call from him.

Btw, Jimbo admitted recently that he's yet to take in a Utica game this season, so he can't claim personal authority on Dahlen's failed progress.

Who then, called this trade?

[BananaMash]

Just now, Mo Grit said:

Encouraging outlook at least.

Wonder why the Sharks gave up on him.

They dumped Goldy on Jimbo, so perhaps they were delighted to get another call from him.

 

I don't think it's anything nefarious on the Sharks end. They got the further along prospect, who they probably feel has the higher potential even though he's more of a risk. We got a younger prospect with more of an NHL transferable style of game. It looks like a hockey trade to me.

 

Dahlen and his agent asked for a move. I think they damage controlled the move as well as possible. 

[CanuckGAME]

Anyone hear the guy on the radio who said he talked to Karlssons coach and he said he was 2 years away from even being SHL ready let alone NHL ready?

 

I trust Benning,  but it does suck to lose a guy with Dahlins potential for a guy who from the sounds of it will be lucky to make the NHL.

[Qwags]

If Gradin likes Karlsson then I like Karlsson. 

[Ihatetomatoes]

This guy seems like a massive longshot to make the NHL. Don't really understand this trade 

[Specz]

Welcome Linus! Just like many other prospects before you (Including our golden boy EP40), you're going to have to prove everyone here wrong again! Excited to see you defy the odds! Don't worry, they'll all come to cheer for ya in due time! 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Specz said:

Welcome Linus! Just like many other prospects before you (Including our golden boy EP40), you're going to have to prove everyone here wrong again! Excited to see you defy the odds! Don't worry, they'll all come to cheer for ya in due time! 

Dahlen was clearly a whiner.  Glad that impish little boy is gone.

Linus is going to be a player for us!  He will come play in the AHL next season, and put up BIG numbers.  Dahlen will be back in Sweden, where he belongs.  

[tas]

2 hours ago, CanuckGAME said:

Anyone hear the guy on the radio who said he talked to Karlssons coach and he said he was 2 years away from even being SHL ready let alone NHL ready?

 

I trust Benning,  but it does suck to lose a guy with Dahlins potential for a guy who from the sounds of it will be lucky to make the NHL.

you mean according to a guy on the radio who said he talked to a coach in sweden who may or may not possess a crystal ball, a 3rd round pick might not play in the nhl until they're 23  or 24 years old? my word!

[CanuckGAME]

35 minutes ago, tas said:

you mean according to a guy on the radio who said he talked to a coach in sweden who may or may not possess a crystal ball, a 3rd round pick might not play in the nhl until they're 23  or 24 years old? my word!

[Qwags]

 

[kenhodgejr]

Welcome Linus, wishing you success in your hockey development. 

[DarkGhost]

54 minutes ago, Qwags said:

 

This is a pretty good point, especially considering we’ll have a lot more decisions when it comes to who we protect this time around. Last expansion we escaped almost better off after it lol. 

 

This time around might be different. Imagine the uproar on here if JB “let” Dahlen get taken by Seattle. The whole “asset management” mob would be going nuclear

[Wilbur]

4 hours ago, CanuckGAME said:

Anyone hear the guy on the radio who said he talked to Karlssons coach and he said he was 2 years away from even being SHL ready let alone NHL ready?

 

I trust Benning,  but it does suck to lose a guy with Dahlins potential for a guy who from the sounds of it will be lucky to make the NHL.

Remember when Pettersson's coach in Sweden said he'd be better off playing one more year in the SHL?  Maybe it's a Swedish coach thing wanting to keep their players 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

Has anyone seen a post from @ForzaTikare in the various threads on the Dahlén-Karlsson deal? Would really like to see his take. Both in terms of Dahlén leaving and what kind of player we have in Karlsson.

 

Personally, I haven’t seen enough of Karlsson to comment intelligently on how I’d rate him. Certainly, he looks like a decent prospect, although maybe one of the limited ceiling variety. I’m encouraged by his U20 results. Less so by his recent returns in Allsvenskan. But I’d like to know a bit more about his usage this season before drawing conclusions on one year of Swedish second tier pro, and at age 19.

 

Not particularly worried about how his raw scoring stats match up against Dahlén’s age-for-age in the same league. Clearly Dahlén was “the man” for Timrå, but I don’t think Karlsson featured as prominently in the Karlskrona lineup (would be interested to compare per minute rates, and WOWYs, and how he produced if/when deployed with top linemates in offensive roles, but I doubt those stats are available).

 

Ultimately, if this was a trade forced by the player’s agent, I’m not disappointed swapping Dahlén for a younger prospect. Nor would I expect the greatest return, given Dahlén’s mixed reviews in Utica, and him apparently forcing the trade. Still, I think we may have given up too early. Maybe no choice, if Dahlén was set on leaving the organization, but I question how much he was forced out, versus him forcing the issue one-sidedly. Lots of talk out of Swedish press (since the trade) about the Canucks souring on him pretty early, having issues with his leaving to go back to Sweden last year, and him subsequently not being given chances by the coaching staff in Utica. On the other side, the Canucks claim Dahlén expected too much to be handed to him, didn’t want to earn his way, and ultimately demanded a trade because he felt he deserved an NHL shot (and they didn’t agree). I suspect the reality lies somewhere in the middle, but we’ll probably never know exactly what happened.

 

Being a Canucks fan, I now hope that our new guy (Karlsson) becomes a legit player for us, and Dahlén washes out, never plays meaningful minutes in the NHL, but ends up having a nice career in the SHL. A bit savage of me, I know, but I just don’t really root for guys that leave, especially if they ask to be moved (there are exceptions, of course, but most ex-Canucks are dead to me—just how I roll). I like Dahlén and wish him well, but don’t want to see him rubbing this trade in our faces in a few years.

[ForzaTikare]

30 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Has anyone seen a post from @ForzaTikare in the various threads on the Dahlén-Karlsson deal? Would really like to see his take. Both in terms of Dahlén leaving and what kind of player we have in Karlsson.

 

Personally, I haven’t seen enough of Karlsson to comment intelligently on how I’d rate him. Certainly, he looks like a decent prospect, although maybe one of the limited ceiling variety. I’m encouraged by his U20 results. Less so by his recent returns in Allsvenskan. But I’d like to know a bit more about his usage this season before drawing conclusions on one year of Swedish second tier pro, and at age 19.

 

Not particularly worried about how his raw scoring stats match up against Dahlén’s age-for-age in the same league. Clearly Dahlén was “the man” for Timrå, but I don’t think Karlsson featured as prominently in the Karlskrona lineup (would be interested to compare per minute rates, and WOWYs, and how he produced if/when deployed with top linemates in offensive roles, but I doubt those stats are available).

 

Ultimately, if this was a trade forced by the player’s agent, I’m not disappointed swapping Dahlén for a younger prospect. Nor would I expect the greatest return, given Dahlén’s mixed reviews in Utica, and him apparently forcing the trade. Still, I think we may have given up too early. Maybe no choice, if Dahlén was set on leaving the organization, but I question how much he was forced out, versus him forcing the issue one-sidedly. Lots of talk out of Swedish press (since the trade) about the Canucks souring on him pretty early, having issues with his leaving to go back to Sweden last year, and him subsequently not being given chances by the coaching staff in Utica. On the other side, the Canucks claim Dahlén expected too much to be handed to him, didn’t want to earn his way, and ultimately demanded a trade because he felt he deserved an NHL shot (and they didn’t agree). I suspect the reality lies somewhere in the middle, but we’ll probably never know exactly what happened.

 

Being a Canucks fan, I now hope that our new guy (Karlsson) becomes a legit player for us, and Dahlén washes out, never plays meaningful minutes in the NHL, but ends up having a nice career in the SHL. A bit savage of me, I know, but I just don’t really root for guys that leave, especially if they ask to be moved (there are exceptions, of course, but most ex-Canucks are dead to me—just how I roll). I like Dahlén and wish him well, but don’t want to see him rubbing this trade in our faces in a few years.

I have seen some of Karlssons games, the team itself can be compared to Timrå Dahléns 18yo season, his usage aswell.. I cant see Dahlen as someone that would give up easily as I have met him lots of Times in person here. (Hard to imagine him wanting to give up a chance on playing for the career with his best friend in EP aswell.) 

 

Can just hope for the best both for Dahlén and Karlsson, Dahlén stays in the conference and will have plenty of chance to play against EP if he plays his cards right. 

 

I think Dahlén will be the best player in this trade, maybe not the most valuable though. 

 

Dahlen has to play a top 6 role and Bos spot on the PP, Karlsson feels like another Gaudette who can slot in where he is needed (if they reach their ceilings) my current feeligg is that LK has about 15-20% chance to become an NHLer

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

Thanks, @ForzaTikare. Was interested to hear your opinions on this. What you said fit with what I was thinking, I just didn’t have much personal viewings of Karlsson to base my opinion on. I hope that Karlsson will turn into a player for us. I’m encouraged by the comparison to Gaudette. And I think you’re right that Dahlén will need to succeed as a top-6 and PP player to find a role in the NHL.

 

Probably the Canucks didn’t see a fit here with their group, as much as the fans hoped Dahlén and Pettersson would be linemates. I always had doubts as to whether they’d be a fit as NHLers, as I think the Canucks are looking for a different player type on EP’s wing. Maybe it will end up being the best for all parties involved.

 

I just think I’d have preferred to have seen Dahlén stay and continue to develop (although I do question whether or not he was getting the best opportunity for this in Utica), and maybe pickup a prospect like Karlsson as part of the Gudbranson trade, or from moving some of our other surplus pieces at this TDL.

[Phat Fingers]

12 hours ago, Mo Grit said:

Encouraging outlook at least.

Wonder why the Sharks gave up on him.

They dumped Goldy on Jimbo, so perhaps they were delighted to get another call from him.

Btw, Jimbo admitted recently that he's yet to take in a Utica game this season, so he can't claim personal authority on Dahlen's failed progress.

Who then, called this trade?

Maybe they wanted a guy that could play sooner.  Also Dahlen's pop has a long history with the organization.  

 

If Brackett and JB wanted this guy at the draft, then I am good with the move.  

 

They also have shown that if a player is unhappy they will move him.  Dahlen wanted a change, so he was moved.  Value is fair and Linus appears to be on a good track.  

 

Being a club that will work with players and agents in a reasonable fashion will help in signing FA's.  

 

One big takeaway from JB is that he corrects mistakes and is not prideful.  His ego can handle not always being right.  Look to his changing draft strategy, his ability to trade players that haven't worked out as hoped etc...  

 

He has made adjustments each year.  Not a common trait in a GM.  

[Phat Fingers]

2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Thanks, @ForzaTikare. Was interested to hear your opinions on this. What you said fit with what I was thinking, I just didn’t have much personal viewings of Karlsson to base my opinion on. I hope that Karlsson will turn into a player for us. I’m encouraged by the comparison to Gaudette. And I think you’re right that Dahlén will need to succeed as a top-6 and PP player to find a role in the NHL.

 

Probably the Canucks didn’t see a fit here with their group, as much as the fans hoped Dahlén and Pettersson would be linemates. I always had doubts as to whether they’d be a fit as NHLers, as I think the Canucks are looking for a different player type on EP’s wing. Maybe it will end up being the best for all parties involved.

 

I just think I’d have preferred to have seen Dahlén stay and continue to develop (although I do question whether or not he was getting the best opportunity for this in Utica), and maybe pickup a prospect like Karlsson as part of the Gudbranson trade, or from moving some of our other surplus pieces at this TDL.

I honestly had trouble seeing Dahlen and EP40 together in the NHL.  The size issue is huge.  

 

Maybe that was the issue with Dahlen.  Not really alot of options for him on our current roster.  Dahlen might have been unhappy seeing his buddy light up the league while he is toiling in the AHL.  

 

There was friction there and the club felt that Dahlen needed to work on his weaknesses more.  Hopefully Dahlen proves JB and Cull wrong, but Linus hopefully proves them right too.  

[Tre Mac]

He better carry a blanket around 24/7 or this trade was a waste. 

[AlwaysACanuckFan]