Nuke Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said: Maybe the worst thing for parts of this fanbase is the fact that the Canucks significantly overachieved given what was expected for them this year. Now that they're pooping out a bit down the stretch people are freaking out as if they weren't supposed to be a team that was going to struggle this year. IMHO, and this is going off topic a bit... this year has been a big success. The team stayed competitive into (basically) March (they're still not out of it), A few of the young guys have really shone (Petterson, Horvat, Hutton, Stetcher, Guadette etc) and Marky has been stellar. The future is bright as long as a couple of our D prospects pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, stawns said: nevertheless, I think dump and chase is a far more effective strategy, offensively, if you have the speed and the puck hounds to do it. You need to be able to do both. If the other teams D is too good dump and chase isn’t very fruitful. If you have the personnel puck possession is optimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, stawns said: nevertheless, I think dump and chase is a far more effective strategy, offensively, if you have the speed and the puck hounds to do it. Dump & chase was one of the reasons given by Treliving to fire Hartley. He felt that it was antiquated with where the league is trending and not playing to the skills of their players. Games are won by goal differential. Find the system that works for your players. Tampa is the highest scoring team in the league and have by far the best differential between goals scored vs goals allowed. They prioritise controlled zone entries - they are highly skilled. Idem with Calgary who are 2nd in scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canckelhead Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, mll said: Dump & chase was one of the reasons given by Treliving to fire Hartley. He felt that it was antiquated with where the league is trending and not playing to the skills of their players. Games are won by goal differential. Find the system that works for your players. Tampa is the highest scoring team in the league and have by far the best differential between goals scored vs goals allowed. They prioritise controlled zone entries - they are highly skilled. Idem with Calgary who are 2nd in scoring. I absolutely agree, but you have to have more than 3 players that can make a pass and receive a pass on the roster and they barley have 3 that can do it under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, flat land fish said: You need to be able to do both. If the other teams D is too good dump and chase isn’t very fruitful. If you have the personnel puck possession is optimal. I agree, one strategy is never a good choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDragon23 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Lots of explanations for why the offence has struggled: 1. PP- I believe it’s ranked 29th? Seriously though it may as well be ranked last the way it has looked all season. 2. Lack of production from the Defence. Eagle is the only player who has been at least contributing, but he has had injury problems this year. Hutty has had the occasional moments. Bulldog has been contributing when he’s been in the lineup. But they struggle to get the shot through and cannot seem to free up the puck for our forwards. 3. We have basically a one line forward threat. Brock and Petey are our most productive forwards and they are dynamic together, but the league has figured that out. Teams are not giving Brock any time to shoot, nor are they giving space to Petey which basically makes them ineffective even as hard as they try. Bo hasn’t had any support on his line the entire year and basically has to do it all himself. So when our top three producers are shut down we do not have near enough talent to pick up the slack. On the bright side, Rous has had a good season, maybe a career year? 4. Injuries. Oh boy it is the same old story again, again, and again. Top players get hurt and no one can pick up the slack. Missing Petey and Brock for some stretches, Baer for almost the entire year and Eagle twice for long stretches. 5. Posts. Sounds silly, but the Canucks are actually first by a mile in posts and crossbars hit. So a bit of bad luck too. What else is new. Could go on but that’s enough for now. We have help on the way( Hughes and Juolevi) and hopefully we get lucky in the draft lottery, so it will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Cause the only guys Benning has brought in are two way players. Gudbranson trade, Schaller, Beagle and Roussel signings. Gagner was brought in for offense but we didn't have the depth Columbus did to shelter him. We are really, really fortunate Petey has over excelled this early. Our blueline can't create ANYTHING but turnovers in their own zone. PS, not blaming Benning. Free agency hasn't exactly had a ton of skilled players in it and convincing the few that are in Free Agency to come here is rough. And on the trade front we have little to nothing to offer outside of picks/prospects. Assets we want to keep. Baer was a home run in every way shape and form until his concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 41 minutes ago, Nuke said: Wake up from what? The fact nearly everyone had us penciled in for last overall and we fought for playoff spot pretty much all year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Cause the only guys Benning has brought in are two way players. Anyone wonder why Dahlen was traded for at two way player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I don’t know why this is surprising to anyone. Healthy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Anyone wonder why Dahlen was traded for at two way player? I was gonna mention that trade, but didn't wanna hear half a dozen people say Dahlen is an entitled wiener that thinks he should get the C or something. As hopeful as I am for Karlsson I still think we lack any sort of offensive talent in the prospect pool and we moved Dahlen for a guy that projects to be a decent bottom 6 two way guy. But hey, lets get all the defensive forwards and win the same way LA did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, Pears said: Wake up from what? The fact nearly everyone had us penciled in for last overall and we fought for playoff spot pretty much all year? What you are talking about was 2018, when we were running for a playoff spot. 2019 had been a disaster all the way. 8 wins in last 23 games. Playing hockey in a defensive shell, no speed on the ice. Summin up this season is no success. It was in the end if 2018, but now the team seems tired, even EP has stopped shining, its just boring to watch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Quite a few team talk of 5-men units and that the Ds can't just support the attack but have to be a full part of it. Teams are now defending with all 5 players so attack has to also be with 5 players. Laviolette says in the offensive zone there is no positional play. It's just 5 guys trying to score a goal and everyone knows how to cover for each other. Having both Ds below the hashmarks going to the net is no longer all that uncommon. Systems are also adjusting to the players that are coming up through the draft - they now grow up modelling their games after Karlsson and the likes. Last season the Canucks were 2nd last in D-scoring with only 122pts. The median was 162pts. At the all-star break Canucks Ds were bottom-5 in D scoring measured in pts/gp. They are now at 106pts after 65 games The Sharks lead the league with 181pts from their Ds. Hughes will help but that is probably not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Nuke said: You crossfit don't you.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Why? Same reason the PP does, no skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colt 45s Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 One real line. Shut that line down and you will probably beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Start of the season we were supporting each other more. Now it is too spread out. Too much gap gives the other teams time to step in and break it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Offense begin with a good first-pass from D and we don't even any good defenseman to do it so on this team on a breakout and didn't the stats showed that we hit the post/crossbar more often than 10 more times than the 2nd place as shown on the stats on snet broadcast? It also contributed to this with puck luck as well. 10 extra goals could have been as well translated with 10 extra wins considering too many 1-goal defeats. Who knows if we hadn't any bad luck during long losing streak back in November and probably would even been higher in the standing. Remember that 3rd period losses in less than 5 minutes to go as well? Not just once but multi games as well happened in those situation when we had a tied games turned into a loss in last 5 minutes of the game. I count about 5 to 10 of those games could have been an extra points with potential wins from OT/shootouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 5 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Long schedule is another factor Pettersson looks tired out there. Big jump to an 82 game schedule and when your top player slows down then everyone slows down. Granted he's playing in the NHL which is a tough league but get your facts straight he played way more games last year than this year. 44 regular season Vaxjo plus 13 playoffs. 7 WJC. 9 other international juniors 11 champions League. 5 world championships plus 12 other international sweden. That's 101 games partner. Lesson is don't underestimate Petey lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 It’s because we only have 3 top 6 players. Maybe 1 top 2 dman. And maybe 3 top 4 dmen. This team still sucks and will for a little while. And that is totally ok. It is getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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