The UCP Alberta Government - Threatens to Turn off Oil Taps

[Warhippy]

So...Kenney is backing down on his promise to turn off the taps.  Saying he is tabling legislation but not using it yet.

 

He said within an hour of being sworn in right?

 

Didn't the NDP actually already have legislation tabled and an order before the courts to do just this?  Looks like Kenney is literally going to reside on the NDPs current progress until he tanks it then blames everyone else.

 

My favorite will be how he will promise BC that it will achieve lower costs on gas in the lower mainland.  Because he will be unable to explain how that will happen when the Burnaby refinery can only service roughly 30% of the entire GVRDs fuel needs per day and is NOT EXANDING with the pipeline 

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So...Kenney is backing down on his promise to turn off the taps.  Saying he is tabling legislation but not using it yet.

 

He said within an hour of being sworn in right?

 

Didn't the NDP actually already have legislation tabled and an order before the courts to do just this?  Looks like Kenney is literally going to reside on the NDPs current progress until he tanks it then blames everyone else.

 

My favorite will be how he will promise BC that it will achieve lower costs on gas in the lower mainland.  Because he will be unable to explain how that will happen when the Burnaby refinery can only service roughly 30% of the entire GVRDs fuel needs per day and is NOT EXANDING with the pipeline 

 

 

Omg just do a simple google search and see what JK actually said. We couldn't do it if we wanted to JK is making it an option now.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Omg just do a simple google search and see what JK actually said. We couldn't do it if we wanted to JK is making it an option now.

Huh...see now I'm confused.  Because this is literally what he said.  Who am I to believe?  Him at his word or...?

 

“We’re going to tell the New Democrats in B.C. the same thing we say to Albertans, which is that we’re actually prepared to turn off the taps,” he adds. “Not as a rash or immediate measure but as a point of real-leverage against their continued campaign of obstruction.”

Kenney says he would proclaim the law on his first day on the job if his party were to be elected on April 16.

 

Kenney slammed the NDP for not using the legislation, calling it a “phony fight for pipelines.”

“Within an hour of being sworn in, we will hold a cabinet meeting, and the first item on the agenda will be to proclaim into law bill 12, the ‘turn off the taps’ legislation,” he said.

 

This is without mentioning he also said he expected the pipeline to be approved within a month, but forgetting Notley said it would be approved by June

 

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/04/08/rachel-notley-says-trans-mountain-pipeline-approval-coming-in-may.html

 

I just don't know who to believe anymore 

[Ryan Strome]

26 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Huh...see now I'm confused.  Because this is literally what he said.  Who am I to believe?  Him at his word or...?

 

“We’re going to tell the New Democrats in B.C. the same thing we say to Albertans, which is that we’re actually prepared to turn off the taps,” he adds. “Not as a rash or immediate measure but as a point of real-leverage against their continued campaign of obstruction.”

Kenney says he would proclaim the law on his first day on the job if his party were to be elected on April 16.

 

Kenney slammed the NDP for not using the legislation, calling it a “phony fight for pipelines.”

“Within an hour of being sworn in, we will hold a cabinet meeting, and the first item on the agenda will be to proclaim into law bill 12, the ‘turn off the taps’ legislation,” he said.

 

This is without mentioning he also said he expected the pipeline to be approved within a month, but forgetting Notley said it would be approved by June

 

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/04/08/rachel-notley-says-trans-mountain-pipeline-approval-coming-in-may.html

 

I just don't know who to believe anymore 

If you could comprehend what you posted you would understand exactly what I said in my previous post. He's making it so that we now have the ability to use that option.

 

Btw Alberta has a trick up it's sleeve, by switching up the line we could cause high gas prices and be doing exactly what the neb set out.

 

That being said the fight isn't with BC, in fact there is no fight atm. Everyone is on board. The Federal Government delayed it for 3 months to consult further with First Nations and JK and likely most Albertans supported that.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Ryan Strome

[kingofsurrey]

12 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

 

Btw Alberta has a trick up it's sleeve,

Yes, of course Alberta has the same strategy as always.....

 

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yes, of course Alberta has the same strategy as always.....

 

 

 

Just remember over 650 billion in transfer payments.

[riffraff]

10 hours ago, Warhippy said:

So...Kenney is backing down on his promise to turn off the taps.  Saying he is tabling legislation but not using it yet.

 

He said within an hour of being sworn in right?

 

Didn't the NDP actually already have legislation tabled and an order before the courts to do just this?  Looks like Kenney is literally going to reside on the NDPs current progress until he tanks it then blames everyone else.

 

My favorite will be how he will promise BC that it will achieve lower costs on gas in the lower mainland.  Because he will be unable to explain how that will happen when the Burnaby refinery can only service roughly 30% of the entire GVRDs fuel needs per day and is NOT EXANDING with the pipeline 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

[JM_]

12 hours ago, Warhippy said:

 

My favorite will be how he will promise BC that it will achieve lower costs on gas in the lower mainland.  Because he will be unable to explain how that will happen when the Burnaby refinery can only service roughly 30% of the entire GVRDs fuel needs per day and is NOT EXANDING with the pipeline 

 

this is the real reason for the legislation. The anger over the KM process just gives it convenient cover. AB will happily send BC gas prices through the roof in order to export more dil bit.

 

The only choice will be for BC to import fuel from Washington State, if current gas usage is maintained. Hopefully tho it will spur much wider adoption of electric vehicles. 

[Miler]

18 hours ago, canuckistani said:

So invest more in clean electricity trains before whining about oil. Whether you consume it to drive your cars, heat your home or transport goods, the consumption is due to the lifestyle you choose. 

 

In terms of vehicular use, Canada is still in the top 10-20% polluters per capita in the world. Rest of the world, especially Europe, Asia, Africa and South America, are not so drive-happy like we are. 

Where exactly are we getting this clean electricity you speak of? 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Miler

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, riffraff said:

Exactly.

 

 

Better to keep buying it from the US eh? Meanwhile Bc has to be the highest bidder in order to get that product. Most in BC have no idea why they're paying so much.

[Ryan Strome]

@Warhippy do us all a favour and google proclaim and then you should edit your posts or do your disappearing act.

[Ryan Strome]

29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

this is the real reason for the legislation. The anger over the KM process just gives it convenient cover. AB will happily send BC gas prices through the roof in order to export more dil bit.

 

The only choice will be for BC to import fuel from Washington State, if current gas usage is maintained. Hopefully tho it will spur much wider adoption of electric vehicles. 

Actually we don't need to do anything we could do exactly what the neb wants and it would totally screw BC.

 

BC has to be the highest bidder when dealing with the US... Enjoy.

The very people behind hurting BC, Alberta and Canada are the ones you want to reward lol.

[JM_]

16 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Actually we don't need to do anything we could do exactly what the neb wants and it would totally screw BC.

 

BC has to be the highest bidder when dealing with the US... Enjoy.

The very people behind hurting BC, Alberta and Canada are the ones you want to reward lol.

lol? with that kind of attitude you expect BC support, OK then.

 

AB has never acted as a true partner in oil production in Canada. Thats just a fact. The whole thing is a toxic mix of myth, attitude and self-interest. 

 

All Kenney is doing is creating more opposition to any future projects running through BC. Lol? 

[riffraff]

38 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Better to keep buying it from the US eh? Meanwhile Bc has to be the highest bidder in order to get that product. Most in BC have no idea why they're paying so much.

No.

 

but the gas prices will not change.  Let’s be real.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

@Warhippy do us all a favour and google proclaim and then you should edit your posts or do your disappearing act.

So he "proclaimed it". Which is different than Notley tabling roughly the EXACT same legislation but not acting on it how?

 

https://www.cheknews.ca/alberta-premier-rachel-notley-to-introduce-legislation-that-could-drive-up-b-c-gas-prices-439957/

 

When you say edit your posts or disappearing act.  Do you mean look like a tool then say stupid things like "you support socialists" then vanish for a day?

58 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Actually we don't need to do anything we could do exactly what the neb wants and it would totally screw BC.

 

BC has to be the highest bidder when dealing with the US... Enjoy.

The very people behind hurting BC, Alberta and Canada are the ones you want to reward lol.

Actually, if you do what the NEB wants Alberta hurts first.  That's how energy transfers and transfer fees work.  BC sees a higher price, Alberta sees thousands out of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars lost to its economy a day.  BC sure, we will have to buy from Washingtons Ervine line and Cherry hill facilities.  But now that the summer maintenance is over and California is once again getting oil from Back in Texas Washington has far less demand than it did a week ago.

 

Facts never seem to support your ramblings.

 

As a heads up, the reason Notley did not carry through with that legislation is because of the items I just noted.  meaning she was acting in her peoples and the provinces best interests.  Sad to think that some evil woman was smarter than the trailer park assistant supervisor eh

[Ryan Strome]

45 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

lol? with that kind of attitude you expect BC support, OK then.

 

AB has never acted as a true partner in oil production in Canada. Thats just a fact. The whole thing is a toxic mix of myth, attitude and self-interest. 

 

All Kenney is doing is creating more opposition to any future projects running through BC. Lol? 

It's not up to BC and a majority of BC supports the project.

[Ryan Strome]

33 minutes ago, riffraff said:

No.

 

but the gas prices will not change.  Let’s be real.

Actually they probably would, but not significantly.

[Warhippy]

42 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

lol? with that kind of attitude you expect BC support, OK then.

 

AB has never acted as a true partner in oil production in Canada. Thats just a fact. The whole thing is a toxic mix of myth, attitude and self-interest. 

 

All Kenney is doing is creating more opposition to any future projects running through BC. Lol? 

Here's a funny story that Strome and the Albertan side of things forget

 

The entire nation supported Albertans energy sector from the 50s through early 80s.

PET wanted a national energy program to ensure Canada controlled its own destiny in regards to oil, a direct answer to the oil crisis in the late 70s and early 80s.

The idea was refineries and petroleum chemicals upgraders in every province and pipelines from coast to coast so we weren't reliant on foreign nations for oil

Alberta and Mulroney said no, Alberta said let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark

Mulroney said he'd ensure Alberta had. abetter trading partner and get a better price than PETs plan to sell to the rest of Canada at below market prices

Mulroney created NAFTA in conjunction with the US and Mexico and saw oil leave the country at even lower costs than what Canada would have purchased it for

The proposed pipelines east to west and refineries in every province were scrapped with the last shares Canadian owned oil sold in the early 90s

Alberta screeches about how selfish and unfair the rest of the country is and about equalization payments but forgets these fatcs

Alberta now demands refineries and pipelines east to west because Canada is forced to buy oil from overseas and it isn't fair

BC is saying no because BC nets ZERO return for all the risk in adding this pipeline

 

The frigging irony and laughable idiocy of that circle of events is staggering

 

29 minutes ago, riffraff said:

No.

 

but the gas prices will not change.  Let’s be real.

You're right

 

As I stated.  Burnaby is not increasing refinery capacity.  At max Burnaby will only ever be able to satisfy at max 30% of the GVRDs daily needs meaning they can slam 9 or 10 new pipelines in to Vancouver and the prices at the pumps will not change.

 

again, a fact lost in amongst the screeching victim noises coming from Alberta right now

[Ryan Strome]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So he "proclaimed it". Which is different than Notley tabling roughly the EXACT same legislation but not acting on it how?

 

https://www.cheknews.ca/alberta-premier-rachel-notley-to-introduce-legislation-that-could-drive-up-b-c-gas-prices-439957/

 

When you say edit your posts or disappearing act.  Do you mean look like a tool then say stupid things like "you support socialists" then vanish for a day?

Actually, if you do what the NEB wants Alberta hurts first.  That's how energy transfers and transfer fees work.  BC sees a higher price, Alberta sees thousands out of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars lost to its economy a day.  BC sure, we will have to buy from Washingtons Ervine line and Cherry hill facilities.  But now that the summer maintenance is over and California is once again getting oil from Back in Texas Washington has far less demand than it did a week ago.

 

Facts never seem to support your ramblings.

 

As a heads up, the reason Notley did not carry through with that legislation is because of the items I just noted.  meaning she was acting in her peoples and the provinces best interests.  Sad to think that some evil woman was smarter than the trailer park assistant supervisor eh

Ya she was smart... Lol smashed in the election. But it's warhippy and he must be right even though he was wrong yesterday and still chose to act like an ass. 

 

Your own government went to the coirts and were told that at this point it's hypothetical until it's proclaimed.

[RUPERTKBD]

11 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So he "proclaimed it". Which is different than Notley tabling roughly the EXACT same legislation but not acting on it how?

 

https://www.cheknews.ca/alberta-premier-rachel-notley-to-introduce-legislation-that-could-drive-up-b-c-gas-prices-439957/

 

When you say edit your posts or disappearing act.  Do you mean look like a tool then say stupid things like "you support socialists" then vanish for a day?

Actually, if you do what the NEB wants Alberta hurts first.  That's how energy transfers and transfer fees work.  BC sees a higher price, Alberta sees thousands out of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars lost to its economy a day.  BC sure, we will have to buy from Washingtons Ervine line and Cherry hill facilities.  But now that the summer maintenance is over and California is once again getting oil from Back in Texas Washington has far less demand than it did a week ago.

 

Facts never seem to support your ramblings.

 

As a heads up, the reason Notley did not carry through with that legislation is because of the items I just noted.  meaning she was acting in her peoples and the provinces best interests.  Sad to think that some evil woman was smarter than the trailer park assistant supervisor eh

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