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5 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

[Proposal] Time To Let Benning Go.

 

There has not been a GM in the NHL that has lasted as long as Benning with such a losing record. Since September 2015 to date the win percentage of .386 is the worst in Canuck history since the first four years of expansion, this doesn't change 319 games played, 123 games won and the 196 lost.

 

For all the talk of prospects he has done the least to help a team rebuilding other teams amass draft picks, even teams that had players with NMC's and NTC's, were moved so clause contracts are only an EXCUSE to do nothing not a reality.

 

in 2015 this team had 31 W and 51 L

In 2018 - 31 W and 51 L

 

He has not had a trade that has made a difference. He has not signed a FA that has made a difference, he has not added draft picks, he is the only GM that has two questionable draft picks out of the top 10 over 5 drafts, one that hasn't played at all. Under his management many Euros have left the team. The youngest FA he has signed in July was 29 years old, hardly getting younger, he stated clause contracts hampered trades and then signed more than the previous GM did in 8 years.

 

In 5 TDL days he has accomplished nothing, Dahlen left and Goldy is the current punching bag, Spooner benched, so nothing, no picks, 5 years.

 

He has stated the goal of the team is to play meaningful games in March? After 5 years it is not playoffs or a cup run, it is to play "meaningful" games, what does that mean? Out of the playoffs and want to play spoilers? Still be mathematically in the second wild card hunt? Only 10 points out?

 

His contracts are atrocious, too old, too long, too much with clauses to hamper trades.

 

Go ahead a parade Boeser out as a genius move, that is crap, he was ranked 25th and went there, Elias Pettersson, maybe a small kudo there but EP was ranked #1 Euro, but his drafting record is pretty disappointing being a scouting guru. He got lucky with Gaudette, but that was a pick Gillis got him otherwise he wasn't there as Benning doesn't get picks. So is Hughes such a coup when all of the top ten are expected to be stars as well, what if he drafted Dobson, Bouchard, Boquist or Zadina, the hype would be the same.

 

After 5 years of picks, at least 35 players drafted and only 4 are on the NHL team, Elias, Brock, Jake and Adam, funny thing, any that started their career in Utica, none have made the team.

 

Benning has one more year on his contract and I am concerned that his "future" becomes to the forefront. This is a time that the team COULD make the playoffs next year but end up a crap team, old with many clause contracts and young player's best years being used up OR the team does what is best for the franchise and spends one full season playing some of those 30 some odd draft picks giving them experience in the NHL, showing them what they need to improve on during the CBA lockout.

 

A new GM with a new mandate and contract will be more into having one bad year, his first followed by many winning seasons, a new GM might feel secure enough to do what is necessary, trade off vets for picks, trade for bad contracts with picks attached, maybe even trade a young player, Brock or Bo, to get even more top picks, dmen, Either have huge value for teams with a lot of picks, Colorado for instance, Horvat at center, Buffalo, Brock as a trigger man for Eichel with some salary relief, just examples, maybe even a Lucic deal with retention a top pick/prospect (of size) just stuff that, complex deals that need quick responses, appear to be beyond anything Benning has shown he is capable of. 

 

Fantasy, all Fantasy have fun. Please no "they will be great in the future", I concede, at some time in the future the Canucks will be a good team and even win the cup, but not next year.

 

Hey a big positive this year, they will not lose 50 games, all those championing all those prospects now have tangible proof of improvement.

 

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

He wasn't and didn't. &^@# off with this bull$&!# narrative you keep pushing on Boeser. 

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4 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

He wasn't and didn't. &^@# off with this bull$&!# narrative you keep pushing on Boeser. 

You must live in a cave or you use the blinders to ignore what is in your face. How many times do you need to see the consensus, of 18 scouting reports, he was 25th. I will help you here, there were two reports that had him higher than 25th and two that didn't have him in the top 30.

It is on the net, look it up if you can that is.

5 minutes ago, Sikhguy23 said:

Dude shut up.

 

Benning has made some mistakes; but one can't deny the prospect pool he has accumulated over the years is amazing. Has he had some misses? sure, but Pettersson alone makes him look like a genius. 

 

Gillis left him with so many NTCs its a miracle he was able to navigate some trades out of them.

 

 

Ps. Are you a member of HFboards? You seem to have the same narrative as some of those idiots.

Name the prospect pool, where they play, name them, boo hoo 6 years ago a GM got an extra pick for Gaudette, a pick Benning would not have got as he has not got any at all and that bad GM still has more important players on the team than this guy running the team for SIX years.

Name one GM that has missed on two top 6 picks, Jake is marginal.

Just keep denying the worst record in the league, keep blaming it on something 6+ years old, blame Gaudette on that guy too, Horvat, Hutton, Markstrom, Gaudette, that GM's team was destroyed by Lindne/Benning.

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3 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

You must live in a cave or you use the blinders to ignore what is in your face. How many times do you need to see the consensus, of 18 scouting reports, he was 25th. I will help you here, there were two reports that had him higher than 25th and two that didn't have him in the top 30.

Yes, I'm the one who's pointed that out to you multiple times before. Don't let the fact that Boeser was picked 23rd mean anything as well. 

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5 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

You must live in a cave or you use the blinders to ignore what is in your face. How many times do you need to see the consensus, of 18 scouting reports, he was 25th. I will help you here, there were two reports that had him higher than 25th and two that didn't have him in the top 30.

It is on the net, look it up if you can that is.

Name the prospect pool, where they play, name them, boo hoo 6 years ago a GM got an extra pick for Gaudette, a pick Benning would not have got as he has not got any at all and that bad GM still has more important players on the team than this guy running the team for SIX years.

Name one GM that has missed on two top 6 picks, Jake is marginal.

Just keep denying the worst record in the league, keep blaming it on something 6+ years old, blame Gaudette on that guy too, Horvat, Hutton, Markstrom, Gaudette, that GM's team was destroyed by Lindne/Benning.

Name one GM?  Seriously?  

 

See over the last decade

 

Carolina

New York Islanders

Columbus

Edmonton

Montreal

Florida

 

Worst record in the league?  By what metric?

 

You're so laughably out to lunch it's pathetic.  I mean damn it you post some out there stuff but THIS is sad even for you.  I miss the SanielDedin and King of the, those were some legendary trolls.  You just...I mean...damn it's so easily picked apart it hurts

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Every GM has made mistakes....every GM. All you Benning haters need to take a timeout and let him finish with his plan then you have a chance to say your piece. We have never drafted as good as we have with JB. He started with an empty cupboard but "hey look" we have a pretty good stable of youth coming (it takes time not over night). He has a team that is playing fairly consistent entertaining hockey (getting better every year). I don't agree with very move he has made but I'm willing to wait and see the end result, so far I can't and won't complain....too loud...hahaha. Just my 2 bits, for what it is worth.

 

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So you concede that the Canucks will be a good team and win the cup with what Benning has built but you say fire him?

 

I mean, there's varying levels of dumb.

 

Eriksson a $6 million contract, kinda dumb now but he was worth it the year we signed him

Signing Nylander to that contract, ok seriously that was dumb now how are you going to pay the best player on the team Marner what he's worth?

Trading Hall for Larson, Eberle for nothing.  Signing Lucic.  That is l=egendary even Milbury thinks it was dumb.

 

Then this.  You write this.  It's amusing.  In a yay you managed to eat paste and not get it on your clothes kind of amusing.  But it's so dumb it makes even Chiarelli's moves as GM of the Oilers look intelligent 

 

I could go in to a point by point rebuttal but it is so not worth the time.  This is dumb, the premise of your post is dumb, your closing statement is dumb I feel dumb for having read this.

 

EDIT* There are a dozen GMs I could name that had far far worse records than Benning but you didn't even bother to look them up before writing this and that's dumb

:lol:I conceded that the team would win the cup in the future, as Benning does not talk about next year I meant maybe within the next 30 years.

 

Post all you want about the scattering of mistakes other GM's have made, that just shows how few there are and the need to find numerous other GM's mistakes to compare with Benning's, your example of Edmonton's GM's mistakes is curious, they fired him.

 

I also note there is no body of work actually showing a benefit from Benning's prowess, just a lot of immature protests of the content without proving any of it wrong.

 

Name a GM that has had as good a record as Benning and still has a job?

Name all those vaunted prospects and what positions they will play? Which clause contract vet they will knock out?

Name all the additional draft picks.

Name the NHL players he has traded for, not the AHL castoffs like Vey, Etem, Clendening, Granlund, Leipsic, ….and people wonder how Vegas was good right away, they simply got NHL players.

 

This is going on SIX years and all that can be said is two first round picks and a pick gifted from that previous GM.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Yes, I'm the one who's pointed that out to you multiple times before. Don't let the fact that Boeser was picked 23rd mean anything as well. 

 

2015 NHL Draft - Consensus Prospect Rankings
RK Player
PTS
Pos.
Team
Ht.
Wt.
Mar. RK
1 Connor McDavid
210
C
Erie (OHL)
6' 0"
185
1
2 Jack Eichel 
203
C
Boston Univ.
6' 2"
193
2
3 Dylan Strome
189
C
Erie (OHL)
6' 2"
177
5
4 Mitchell Marner
185
C/RW
London (OHL)
5'10"
164
4
5 Noah Hanifin
182
D
USA U18 NTDP
6' 2"
200
3
6 Ivan Provorov
167
D
Brandon (WHL)
6' 0"
191
8
7 Zack Werenski
155
D
USA U18 NTDP (USHL)
6' 1"
206
7
8 Lawson Crouse
154
LW
Kingston (OHL)
6' 3"
200
6
9 Matthew Barzal
150
C
Seattle (WHL)
5'11"
174
9
10 Mikko Rantanen
147
C/RW
TPS Turku (a) (SM-liiga)
6' 4"
195
12
11 Pavel Zacha
135
C/LW
Liberec (CZE)
6' 3"
200
11
12 Kyle Connor
134
C
Youngstown (USHL)
6' 1"
170
14
13 Timo Meier
116
RW
Halifax (QMJHL)
6' 1"
208
15
14 Nick Merkley
110
C/RW
Kelowna (WHL)
5'10"
175
13
15 Evgeny Svechnikov
100
LW
Cape Breton (QMJHL)
6' 1"
180
18
16 Travis Konecny
93
C
Ottawa 67's (OHL)
5'10"
172
16
17 Colin White
74
C/RW
USA U18 NTDP
6' 0"
175
19
18 Thomas Chabot
68
D
Saint John (QMJHL)
6' 1"
181
22
19 Joel Eriksson Ek
67
C
Farjestad Jr. (SWE-JR.)
6' 2"
180
35
20 Jeremy Roy
66
D
Sherbrooke (QMJHL)
6' 0"
183
17
21 Jakub Zboril
52
D
Saint John (QMJHL)
6' 1"
184
23
22 Brock Boeser
51
RW
Waterloo (USHL)
6' 1"
192
26
23 Daniel Sprong
48
RW
Charlottetown (QMJHL)
5'11"
175
20
24 Jansen Harkins
45
C
Prince George (WHL)
6' 1"
177
21
25 Jake DeBrusk
43
LW
Swift Current (WHL)
5'11"
171
30
26 Oliver Kylington
36
D
Farjestads BK (SHL)
6' 0"
180
10
27 Ilya Samsonov
34
G
Magnitogorsk 2 (RUS-JR.)
6' 3"
200
-
28 Paul Bittner
31
LW
Portland (WHL)
6' 4"
201
27
29 Denis Guryanov
28
RW
Togliatti 2 (RUS-JR.)
6' 2"
183
-
30 Jeremy Bracco
28
C/RW
USA U18 NTDP
5' 9"
156
25

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3 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

 

2015 NHL Draft - Consensus Prospect Rankings
RK Player
PTS
Pos.
Team
Ht.
Wt.
Mar. RK
1 Connor McDavid
210
C
Erie (OHL)
6' 0"
185
1
2 Jack Eichel 
203
C
Boston Univ.
6' 2"
193
2
3 Dylan Strome
189
C
Erie (OHL)
6' 2"
177
5
4 Mitchell Marner
185
C/RW
London (OHL)
5'10"
164
4
5 Noah Hanifin
182
D
USA U18 NTDP
6' 2"
200
3
6 Ivan Provorov
167
D
Brandon (WHL)
6' 0"
191
8
7 Zack Werenski
155
D
USA U18 NTDP (USHL)
6' 1"
206
7
8 Lawson Crouse
154
LW
Kingston (OHL)
6' 3"
200
6
9 Matthew Barzal
150
C
Seattle (WHL)
5'11"
174
9
10 Mikko Rantanen
147
C/RW
TPS Turku (a) (SM-liiga)
6' 4"
195
12
11 Pavel Zacha
135
C/LW
Liberec (CZE)
6' 3"
200
11
12 Kyle Connor
134
C
Youngstown (USHL)
6' 1"
170
14
13 Timo Meier
116
RW
Halifax (QMJHL)
6' 1"
208
15
14 Nick Merkley
110
C/RW
Kelowna (WHL)
5'10"
175
13
15 Evgeny Svechnikov
100
LW
Cape Breton (QMJHL)
6' 1"
180
18
16 Travis Konecny
93
C
Ottawa 67's (OHL)
5'10"
172
16
17 Colin White
74
C/RW
USA U18 NTDP
6' 0"
175
19
18 Thomas Chabot
68
D
Saint John (QMJHL)
6' 1"
181
22
19 Joel Eriksson Ek
67
C
Farjestad Jr. (SWE-JR.)
6' 2"
180
35
20 Jeremy Roy
66
D
Sherbrooke (QMJHL)
6' 0"
183
17
21 Jakub Zboril
52
D
Saint John (QMJHL)
6' 1"
184
23
22 Brock Boeser
51
RW
Waterloo (USHL)
6' 1"
192
26
23 Daniel Sprong
48
RW
Charlottetown (QMJHL)
5'11"
175
20
24 Jansen Harkins
45
C
Prince George (WHL)
6' 1"
177
21
25 Jake DeBrusk
43
LW
Swift Current (WHL)
5'11"
171
30
26 Oliver Kylington
36
D
Farjestads BK (SHL)
6' 0"
180
10
27 Ilya Samsonov
34
G
Magnitogorsk 2 (RUS-JR.)
6' 3"
200
-
28 Paul Bittner
31
LW
Portland (WHL)
6' 4"
201
27
29 Denis Guryanov
28
RW
Togliatti 2 (RUS-JR.)
6' 2"
183
-
30 Jeremy Bracco
28
C/RW
USA U18 NTDP
5' 9"
156
25

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/prospect-rankings/

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Are you that twitter loser infinitemile, or whatever it is, who is unhealthily obsessed with Canucks reddit?

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You state a valid argument and listed hard facts, it's a glaring problem actually. Not going to be popular on here, the number of Benning fanboys on here are numbing. The idea is Benning, has done his part. Drafted some amazing players. Let another GM come in and cement on what we have and make us competitive quicker. A GM that has better management style, better at trading, better at signing UFAs. (Although Benning's re-signing of existing players over the past few years are decent)

 

 

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