DirtyYerocmai Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Hey pals, Not sure how many of you are over on the Athletic but a great story came up from Scott Wheeler on the best and worst teams in relation to drafting since 2003. He took 16 years of data which includes more than 3500 players from more than 400 organizations to measure teams success. Vegas was not included... It was broken down to overall 16 years and into 3 groups (03-08, 09-13 and 14-18) Top 5 teams were in order - Boston, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh and Anaheim. Number 30 - our Vancouver Canucks The article goes into the most successful feeder leagues, teams as well as best and worst draft years. Another note is between 2003-2010 only 6 teams have had a draft class produce zero points - Canucks being the only with two - 2007 and 2010. I'm going to be honest I am not really sure what to add and the discussion on this but its nice to see that number changing with our recent draft choices - Horvat, Boeser, Petterson.... But we can really see why this team is in the position it is now due to our poor drafting over the years.. Discuss? PS - I just saw I have been a member since 2003. This kinda works out.... damn where has the time gone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Its well known league wide that the Canucks scouting and drafting has and had been horrendous. There's a reason the Bruins are where they are compared to the Canucks, we should be a lot further a long than we are and we aren't. Thankfully it looks like things are slowly slowly slowly changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Benning - Gillis - Nonis - Burke > 0 Benning has taken this team out of the dumpster in terms of drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I knew it was bad but I didn't know it was THAT bad. 2 years with 0 points? Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Drafting or is it development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2010 I can understand, because we were gearing up for a cup run, didnt have a pick until the 4th round. 2007 was really bad scouting though, look at Taylor Ellington's draft year stats compared to PK Subban's, just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 it's 100% relevant to where the Canucks are now. They had to build something from nothing. Now, people can disagree with JB's approach to rebuilding, but I see something eerily similar to what happened in BOS while JB was there. They never went full on get-all-the-draft-picks-that-we-can and just continued to draft well and surround the young players with quality vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Filthy McNasty said: Drafting or is it development Chicken or the egg. The pee or the poo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said: it's 100% relevant to where the Canucks are now. They had to build something from nothing. Now, people can disagree with JB's approach to rebuilding, but I see something eerily similar to what happened in BOS while JB was there. They never went full on get-all-the-draft-picks-that-we-can and just continued to draft well and surround the young players with quality vets. Agreed, whether you like od dislike some of the moves Benning has made, he has led us to a brighter future. People argue he hasn't gathered enough draft picks but who were you going to trade? We've had nothing but NTC's and NMCs hampering us for the last 7-8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Here is the graph that is being referred to by OP: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 edit...oops Bure_Pavel beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Notice that a specific date had to be employed in order to get this result. Start later, we aren't last. Start sooner, we aren't last. Speaks volumes about the motives of whoever came up with this garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yes we know we have stunk at the Draft for years and years and some of the same old scouts are with the team to this day(R.Dolorme) comes to mind. If you continue to stink at drafting first you would get some new scouts because the ones you have at not good at their jobs, but such was not the case. Mr. Benning and company have shown what a difference it can make to building a WINNING environment and if we ever get a bit of luck at the LOTTO DRAFT we will benefit from this even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Filthy McNasty said: Drafting or is it development Bang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve french Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 The Canucks drafting over the years has been awful and they have traded away far too many draft picks, that is no secret. They also weren't picking early for much of the worst sections of that chart. Only two top 10 picks from 03-13, and both of those were at 10, and one died and the other had health problems. Many of the other picks in that range were late. Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Washington all had very high end first overalls in that time frame. Boston had Kessel at 5 and Anaheim had Ryan at 2 (lol). Those two really stick out as being good drafting teams, even if most of Anaheim's points come from Getzlaf and Perry. Gotta have the picks, gotta draft well, and it certainly helps a great deal to have several top 5 picks in good drafts. The Canucks are starting to trend up in the most recent time frame, but then again we also have Virtanen and Juolevi who have yet to prove if they were quality picks at their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, xereau said: Notice that a specific date had to be employed in order to get this result. Start later, we aren't last. Start sooner, we aren't last. Speaks volumes about the motives of whoever came up with this garbage. yah why 2003? I mean it's kind of arbitrary anyways, since Toronto and Calgary are close to the bottom, but look at them now.. and the turnover in players and staff in 16 years is huge.. maybe last 5 to 10 years is a more reasonable sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, xereau said: Benning - Gillis - Nonis - Burke > 0 Benning has taken this team out of the dumpster in terms of drafting. yeah i don't think there's any new knowledge here about the Canucks drafting. Benning is far and above anyone we've had in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, xereau said: Notice that a specific date had to be employed in order to get this result. Start later, we aren't last. Start sooner, we aren't last. Speaks volumes about the motives of whoever came up with this garbage. It's 15 years Theres not many players left in the league that were drafted before 2003. This is actually the perfect date for this kind of research. I don't think that the research is trying to predict the future but more to learn from mistakes made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Also interesting that 6 of the top 10 don't have that 1st overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: yeah i don't think there's any new knowledge here about the Canucks drafting. Benning is far and above anyone we've had in that department. Its just muckraking. And picking at scabs. About all Vancouver media is good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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