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Louie Eriksson and Jake Virtanen and Jim Benning

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52 minutes ago, Borvat said:

Benning is a decent scout but I am not confident in his ability to run a successful organization from top to bottom. 

 

I see some cracks. I call them CrAqualini's.

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1 hour ago, Tomatoes11 said:

The guys a horrible gm

He is far from horrible.

If you refrain from using such extremes like that, you’ll have more success in your delivery of your message here, IMO.   

 

I agree with most of the rest of your perceptions though, which was once seen as pure blasphemy on these boards not too long ago. Now, it’s easier to inject these comments and critiques into discussions without the heard rushing in to stomp-out any dissent here. 

 

Even the Accidental/Stealth Tank concept can now be argued here based on the predictably of the Tank-worthy goalie tandem and D-core that Benning went with for several seasons now, combined with other IR mainstays in key roles like Sutter’s.

-Nobody ices that roster seriously expecting to have a “competitive” team. 

 

Had EP and Marky not been in the discussion for the Hart this season, this would have been a not-so-stealthy Tank job/Plan, delivered by a roster *expected to produce another top pick, which I am perfectly fine with, in principle (Tanktards).

 

JB’s plans seem to have a serious ring of silver linings to them.

 

-When he actually wanted his roster to compete, he gets a top pick.

-When he scales back and let’s kids and projects play, he wins, but still gets a decent pick. 

 

So, I agree with you and others though that at some point, the team will need a manager who executes and receives the intended results. I do not believe JB will be that guy for this franchise. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

You should be talking to Babcock and Dubas if you don't like the way they do things. 

 

Lindholm played mainly on the wing on the 4th line. Gauthier was their 4C for most of the year. So Lindholm was actually a winger winning over 50% of his draws. 

 

Tavares probably takes so many defensive zone draws because he plays with two of the most defensively responsible wingers on the team (at least according to Babcock). It's likely more important to Babcock that Hyman and Marner are out there in those situations than Tavares. If you don't like that it's fine. 

Lindholm took slightly more draws / game than Gauthier - so you should probably look at facts like that before making claims like he was a winger - and also played 3 minutes more/game, and 9 times the pk ice time than Gauthier, who is playing less than 7 minutes a game in the playoffs.

 

I should be talking to Babcock and Dubas if I don't like things?   I guess these boards were designed for Leaf-blowing only.

 

Tavares probably takes so many dzone draws - because the Leafs don't have a 4th line Babcock can trust.:shock:   Feel free to forward that to Dubas' junkmail if you see fit.

 

Btw - this is precisely why I cut out the part of the conversation I thought was worthwhile - while moving on from this tail-chasing cycle.

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Sutter for Kadri straight up? Yes kadri is worth way more but we can use the Sutter wont get suspended when you need him angle. :bigblush:

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2 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said:

Sutter for Kadri straight up? Yes kadri is worth way more but we can use the Sutter wont get suspended when you need him angle. :bigblush:

Them trade Kadri to Boston and have him haunt the Leafs!

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On 4/15/2019 at 11:21 AM, Alflives said:

I agree with both of you.  I don't want Ehlers or Nylander for their cost, and softy play.  I don't like JB's philosophy of filling gaps (age and talent) with so many middling UFA's either.  We certainly need a sprinkling of support for our young guys to develop to their best potential, but (IMO) JB has accumulated too many of such guys.  

Jake is not Ehlers or Nylander, but he still needs to use his size to be more impactful physically more often.  

Way back when we drafted JV I went and watched as many videos of him as I could find and the player he reminded me of the most was kesler.  Remember always looking for that winger to play with kesler year in and year out. ??   We will do the same thing with Jake because he doesn't play well with others just like kesler didn't. He ended up doing things himself with sheer will. 

Once our coaches figure out how to deploy JV and Jake learns to play to his strengths I believe we will have a player on our hands. 

If we keep trying put a square peg in a round hole we will be frustrated with Jake. 

We don't know what coaches are telling Jake to do. This is the problem I have with assessing JV. 

Any player you say has a high hockey I Q will be a player who uses his teammates well and makes those around him better. That's not JV. 

It wasn't kesler either 

Jake virtanen will dominate once himself and/ or coaches figure out how to use him properly. 

All of athletic abilities are there. They just need to be used properly.  If not he will eventually be traded and this will be realized by another team. 

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meh if benning would have taken tkachuk over juolevi and ehler or whomever over jake.. our top 6 would be fine and just need to draft a few more Dman.. but as it stands we have holes in our top 6 and holes in our top 4 with Juolevi being an unknown being injured so much since drafted

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On 4/15/2019 at 12:18 PM, CaptainLinden16 said:

I think Jake still has a chance to be Raffi Torres.  Raffi was a high pick who had raw tools and was fierce hitter.  I would take one Raffi over 5 Ehlers or Nylanders in the playoffs.

A young raffi torres, then turned more consistant as those types need more time for maturity than average but once it's there, it pays off but it's not like Jake is going anywhere since benning and green know it's a process that's almost done in him. He just needs to keep it up and he still could make it onto the 3rd line with a 2nd line upside if our new player (via trade or ufa) for Bo whoever that may be gets injured. Anyway Raffi in his prime was a train and Jake will get there too, just a matter of time. Plus being in a room full of guys like petey, brock, and Bo especially but there's more but seems to be the competitive bar is moving up a notch or 2 so that's a far cry from lil depth and the lil depth not being very good with the odd exception but at least we're heading in the right direct direction and so is Jake... not worried about it, he'll be fine. 

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2 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

A young raffi torres, then turned more consistant as those types need more time for maturity than average but once it's there, it pays off but it's not like Jake is going anywhere since benning and green know it's a process that's almost done in him. He just needs to keep it up and he still could make it onto the 3rd line with a 2nd line upside if our new player (via trade or ufa) for Bo whoever that may be gets injured. Anyway Raffi in his prime was a train and Jake will get there too, just a matter of time. Plus being in a room full of guys like petey, brock, and Bo especially but there's more but seems to be the competitive bar is moving up a notch or 2 so that's a far cry from lil depth and the lil depth not being very good with the odd exception but at least we're heading in the right direct direction 

Raffi played with killer instinct and had a non-stop motor where Jake throws a big hit once every 5 games now and regularly takes games off. He just looks disinterested half the time. 

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Where are people seeing all this JV potential from? From every game I have seen him play he is a total lost cause and exact same trajectory as Pyatt and Bernier. Possible even less hockey iq guys than those guys possess.

 

Can someone please explain to me what they are seeing? He has been crap plain and simple. Can’t even handle hard passes like an NHLer and stops moving his feet at the wrong times and thus hasn’t changed since his first NHL game. 

 

So so can I please get a break down of what he is actually good at besides skating in a straight line as fast and hard as he can,  trying to do much, and either turning the puck over or destroying a play one of the D and Ep spent so much work constructing. 

 

The guy is horrible and should be traded instantly based on the games I have seen him play. And yes it’s plenty of games. 


 

 
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1 hour ago, Pickly said:

Raffi played with killer instinct and had a non-stop motor where Jake throws a big hit once every 5 games now and regularly takes games off. He just looks disinterested half the time. 

That's why he needs pushing and that's greens job...

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7 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

That's why he needs pushing and that's greens job...

No, he’s not a 19 year old rookie anymore he’s 22 going on 23 and going into his 5th year of pro hockey, most of which has been under Travis Green. I think Green has done his part in trying to get through to Jake in Utica and in Vancouver and now the onus is on him now to decide what he wants his career to become. Problem is that the Canucks have a lot of holes to fill and few trade chips and Jake makes perfect sense to be dealt this offseason. 

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30 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Among forwards.....

 

1st in takeaways 

2nd in hits (behind Motte)

5th in blocked shots (Bo, Motte, Petey and Roussel ahead of him)

3rd in shots on goal (Bo and BB)

4th in goals (Petey,  Bo and BB)

 

but ... 5th worst in giveaways (but worse than Jake were, in order, Petey, Bo, Goldy and BB, so he was in good company)

 

I'd say that's quite the resume 

Yup....we better trade him...he is a bum. 

The trade JV bunch are the same clowns clamouring for firing JB. 

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57 minutes ago, Googlie said:

Among forwards.....

 

1st in takeaways 

2nd in hits (behind Motte)

5th in blocked shots (Bo, Motte, Petey and Roussel ahead of him)

3rd in shots on goal (Bo and BB)

4th in goals (Petey,  Bo and BB)

 

but ... 5th worst in giveaways (but worse than Jake were, in order, Petey, Bo, Goldy and BB, so he was in good company)

 

I'd say that's quite the resume 

Besides the 1st in takeaways, not a very impressive resume at all vs the harm he does.

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24 minutes ago, spur1 said:

Yup....we better trade him...he is a bum. 

The trade JV bunch are the same clowns clamouring for firing JB. 

Oh points, wait his point production went up too... DEFINATELY better trade him, throw all that developing that's finally almost done for not very much. Yeah that'd be helpful...

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6 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

Besides the 1st in takeaways, not a very impressive resume at all vs the harm he does.

Ummm he went from being a -21 to a -4... i'd say that area is something being worked on.. 

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