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Democratic Nominee for the POTUS - Biden Wins Florida, Iilinois, Arizona Primaries by Large Margins

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As far as Uncle Joe goes, I think this photo says it best:

 

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Dems put the "Hands Team" on the field......

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10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

And Trump is a legitimate candidate? I get that he's galvanized the god-fearing, Muslim-fearing, Mexican-fearing, wholesome 'Muricans.

 

I think you're buying into Trump's koolaid a bit too hard. Certainly, his flock will come out to support their messiah (or furher), but that doesn't mean that their will be voter apathy on the other side of the spectrum. If the mid-terms were any indication, the voter turnout for the next presidential election in the US may break records. Both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are extremely potent public figures who are far more articulate and well spoken that the Moron in Chief could ever hope to be.

 

How did the Mueller report blow up in their face exactly? It still contains a load of damning evidence, that clearly Drumpf and his personal assistants in the Department of Justice (?) feel threatened by enough to redact.

 

Believe it or not, there are still plently (millions) of Americans who believe in country over party, and see the Republican party for the corroded and compromised piggy bank for the wealthy that it is. I'm not saying that Dumbpf will lose in a landslide (as I'm sure he'll ignite his flock with despicable rhetoric to frighten them into submission), but I can't see it being a given that he gets another four years to further defile the US.

Trump is a legitimate candidate, he is the sitting POTUS..

 

Not buying into anything, I don't even support Trump but called him getting elected (amongst my friends) in 2014. Sanders and Biden can be as well spoken and articulate as they want to be and that will make no difference in the race against Trump.

 

The goal of the report was to find collusion, they didn't find any. That is as simple as it gets. They can try to impeach him for obstructing justice or whatever the hell else they think might work, but it'll just play right into Trumps hand.

 

The sooner you accept it, the better it'll be for you lol. There will be 4 more years of Trump

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Bernie seemed to really inspire the youth in the States in 2016. That is until Hillary and the DNC f'ed him over.

thats true, the kids see him as someone with legitimacy, he's walked the talk for 50 years. 

 

Biden tho I think won't be a big hit with the younger voters. 

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2 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Trump is a legitimate candidate, he is the sitting POTUS..

Every president has had two terms?

2 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

 

Not buying into anything, I don't even support Trump but called him getting elected (amongst my friends) in 2014. Sanders and Biden can be as well spoken and articulate as they want to be and that will make no difference in the race against Trump.

Based on what exactly? Still waiting for that tidbit.

2 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

The goal of the report was to find collusion, they didn't find any. That is as simple as it gets. They can try to impeach him for obstructing justice or whatever the hell else they think might work, but it'll just play right into Trumps hand.

Plenty of Democrats are warning against impeachment at the present, so it's not as simple as the entire Democratic party trying to impeach him.

2 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

The sooner you accept it, the better it'll be for you lol. There will be 4 more years of Trump

I don't think so. That's too simplistic and reductive a conclusion to have at this point.

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1 minute ago, Whorvat said:

Trump is a legitimate candidate, he is the sitting POTUS..

 

Not buying into anything, I don't even support Trump but called him getting elected (amongst my friends) in 2014. Sanders and Biden can be as well spoken and articulate as they want to be and that will make no difference in the race against Trump.

 

The goal of the report was to find collusion, they didn't find any. That is as simple as it gets. They can try to impeach him for obstructing justice or whatever the hell else they think might work, but it'll just play right into Trumps hand.

 

The sooner you accept it, the better it'll be for you lol. There will be 4 more years of Trump

It's interesting that people keep bring that up, but it isn't true. The word "collusion" has no legal meaning and Mueller explained that in the report.

 

The investigation was to determine whether the Russians influenced the election (they did) and whether anyone connected to the Trump campaign conspired to help them do it. Again, they did, however, Mueller felt he didn't have enough evidence (note that it doesn't say "zero evidence" as Trump supporters would have you believe) for a conviction.

 

This is hardly exoneration. It's a case of the Trump administration being just incompetent enough to avoid criminal prosecution.

 

There's no chance that these facts will sway the heavily indoctrinated Trump fan. That being said, if there are still Americans out there who identify as Conservatives, but can't justify the incompetence, lying and racism of the Trump agenda, and if some of them happen to live in swing states, then it's entirely possible that the Mueller report will cause Trump some grief at the polls.

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats true, the kids see him as someone with legitimacy, he's walked the talk for 50 years. 

 

Biden tho I think won't be a big hit with the younger voters. 

Biden, at least to me, is a populist retread that the Democrats are hoping to run as the antidote to the idiot in chief.

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Every president has had two terms?

Based on what exactly? Still waiting for that tidbit.

Plenty of Democrats are warning against impeachment at the present, so it's not as simple as the entire Democratic party trying to impeach him.

I don't think so. That's too simplistic and reductive a conclusion to have at this point.

No they haven't, but to say a sitting POTUS is not a legitimate candidate is quite asinine.

 

Trump plays the media well, his strategies don't involve being articulate or well spoken.

 

The longer the chase to impeach him goes on, the more it plays right into his wheelhouse.

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5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats true, the kids see him as someone with legitimacy, he's walked the talk for 50 years. 

 

Biden tho I think won't be a big hit with the younger voters. 

I was on the Bernie bandwagon in 2016, but now I think the Dems need to move on from the old guard. The GOP will pound the "Socialism" drum all through the campaign and it's already been shown that fear mongering, even in absence of facts, is effective with voters.

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3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Biden, at least to me, is a populist retread that the Democrats are hoping to run as the antidote to the idiot in chief.

tbh I don't believe that he can beat Trump, or anyone else in that field, I think we're in for a full 8 of the orange clown. Maybe pre-icky gate but now its tainted with that odd behaviour. 

 

The dem's need to work on retaining the house and taking the senate with some kick-ass local candidates. Thats the only way any kind of sanity will be restored in the US.

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Just now, Whorvat said:

No they haven't, but to say a sitting POTUS is not a legitimate candidate is quite asinine.

I was speaking about Trump, specifically, and not the term, a sitting president, but go ahead with the veiled insult.

Just now, Whorvat said:

Trump plays the media well, his strategies don't involve being articulate or well spoken.

He apes Fox News, and regurgitates what they report, so to say he plays the media, is laughable (and possibly asinine).

Just now, Whorvat said:

The longer the chase to impeach him goes on, the more it plays right into his wheelhouse.

Again, this false narrative that the Democrats are looking to impeach him en masse is just not true. Some Democrats are certainly looking to do so. People like Pelosi, Sanders, and others aren't playing that hand.

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15 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I saw an article suggesting a Kamala - Mayor Pete ticket yesterday. Makes the most sense to me, unless one of them screws up the primaries....

if nothing else it sets them up for 2024. I like Pete, he's by far my favourite of that entire group.

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Based on what exactly?

 

47 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Based on the Democrats not being able to field a legit candidate

 

They have good candidates but none of them have that big-name-draw. Its going to end up being Bernie or Biden and neither of those guys can beat Trump. They might as well retread Hillary again.

 

Mueller report blowing up in their faces didn't particularly help anything for them either

 

17 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Trump is a legitimate candidate, he is the sitting POTUS..

 

Not buying into anything, I don't even support Trump but called him getting elected (amongst my friends) in 2014. Sanders and Biden can be as well spoken and articulate as they want to be and that will make no difference in the race against Trump.

 

The goal of the report was to find collusion, they didn't find any. That is as simple as it gets. They can try to impeach him for obstructing justice or whatever the hell else they think might work, but it'll just play right into Trumps hand.

 

The sooner you accept it, the better it'll be for you lol. There will be 4 more years of Trump

OK pump the brakes big rig

 

Trump isn't even guaranteed from his own party at this stage.

 

Biden, Bernie, O'Rourke would mop the floor with the big orange dope.  He can barely maintain a 40% approval amongst his own base.

 

Please, your opinion means nothing

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I was speaking about Trump, specifically, and not the term, a sitting president, but go ahead with the veiled insult.

He apes Fox News, and regurgitates what they report, so to say he plays the media, is laughable (and possibly asinine).

Again, this false narrative that the Democrats are looking to impeach him en masse is just not true. Some Democrats are certainly looking to do so. People like Pelosi, Sanders, and others aren't playing that hand.

No veiled insult at all. I am speaking about Trump specifically too. He is a legitimate candidate.

 

Guess we will see come 2020! 

 

cheers

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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

 

 

OK pump the brakes big rig

 

Trump isn't even guaranteed from his own party at this stage.

 

Biden, Bernie, O'Rourke would mop the floor with the big orange dope.  He can barely maintain a 40% approval amongst his own base.

 

Please, your opinion means nothing

My opinion does mean nothing, about the exact same amount of nothing yours equates to.

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2 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

No veiled insult at all. I am speaking about Trump specifically too. He is a legitimate candidate.

 

Guess we will see come 2020! 

 

cheers

I do think you are correct on that, sadly. He's the sitting prez, and the conservative voters in the US would vote for anyone on who's on the ticket, the person or the behaviour doesn't matter as long as they claim to have the same principles. 

 

The way the US is set up with the electoral college its a harder road to elect a democratic president even with millions more people in the popular vote on their side. 

 

The real battle is for the senate imo. If the democrats can get that, Trump can be curbed and controlled. 

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

If they nominate him for the presidency over the more likeable qualified candidates they're idiots.

 

He'll beat trump though so it's not like it matters

 

The best part for me will be watching FOX and the right frame him as somehow disrespectful to women and pervy while ignoring ol p***y grabber.

 

Biden should come out to the debates with Trumps "locker room talk" blaring as his entrance song

Biden has zero chance of beating Trump. He simply does not have the personality to go up against a bombastic, sound-byte generating psychological bully. 

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I don't think that the United States is the type of country that is capable of embracing a progressive agenda that supports the majority of their population.

Americans, like most foolish westerners living in 50+ years of plenty and zero strife, value their 'rights' more than actual, quantified social improvements. There are plenty of Americans who don't own a gun but will defend the right to own a gun because of the silly notion of 'rights', plenty of broke Americans who believe that having privatized healthcare is somehow having 'more rights' and keeping the 'evil government' out of 'saving lives and botching that up too'. 


In my travels in America, the most common steriotype of Canada isn't that Canadians are uber-nice. Its ' why do you guys like waiting 10 months to see a doctor for gangrene and get your foot chopped off by the time your commie healthcare finds you a doctor ?' type steriotypes. 

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12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I do think you are correct on that, sadly. He's the sitting prez, and the conservative voters in the US would vote for anyone on who's on the ticket, the person or the behaviour doesn't matter as long as they claim to have the same principles. 

 

The way the US is set up with the electoral college its a harder road to elect a democratic president even with millions more people in the popular vote on their side. 

 

The real battle is for the senate imo. If the democrats can get that, Trump can be curbed and controlled. 

I hope that doesn't happen. Because if it does, it will be the classic scenario of ' looking at short term gains and ignoring long term fails'. For six years of Obama's Presidency, the biggest gripe of the left was that the House & Senate were controlled by the Republicans, who sabotaged Obama at every juncture and turned him into a lame-duck President. Which is true. Which created a surge of 'broken government, drain the swamp, F-U Washington, we are electing a loony bin because things are broken anyways' amongst the voting populace - something that benefitted Trump immensely. Now, if Trump gets stuck with a lame-duck Presidency due to House + Senate in Democrat control, the same complaint will be used this time by the Republicans and end up in throwing up even more extreme candidates, loss of confidence in democracy and erosion of democratic principle in the world's second largest democracy. 


I actually hope either Trump loses + house+Senate is democratic or Trump wins + house + Senate is Republican. Either we see what the Democracts are truly made of and see what they can do, or we see what Trump and the Republicans will do with full power for 4 years. Its better to have shining examples of success or ghastly examples of failure for a term or two, than lame duck Presidencies where everyone all and sundry gets to blame the system and go scot-free. 

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25 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

My opinion does mean nothing, about the exact same amount of nothing yours equates to.

Your opinion doesn't matter.  Basic fact does

 

Trump did not win the popular vote.

Trump won literally based on the electoral college and gerrymandering of districts which gave him crucial seats in crucial ridings nothing more.

50,000 votes the other way in one riding in one state and Hillary is president.

 

Hillary was barely likeable let alone voteable yet beat trump everywhere but the electoral college.  That is a simple verifiable fact

 

Sanders, O'Rourke, Biden on the campaign trail destroy Trump and it's really not close,  Like at all.

 

 

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