Joe Biden Debates Donald Trump September 29

[DarthMelvin]

Looking forward to the Debate...I want answers to the Bidengate and his son. The interference of the Trump election. 

[nuckin_futz]

 

With Bernie having a heart attack he's pretty much done. You'd have to think his support would go Warren's way.

 

I think the nomination is hers to lose.

Edited October 10, 2019 by nuckin_futz

[Shift-4]

1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

With Bernie having a heart attack he's pretty much done. You'd have to think his support would go Warren's way.

 

I think the nomination is hers to lose.

Serious question

Is enough of the American public ready to vote someone so left leaning?

[nuckin_futz]

4 hours ago, Shift-4 said:

Serious question

Is enough of the American public ready to vote someone so left leaning?

If the opposition is Trump then I would say yes. Warren will be painted as a socialist and a commie, but I don't know if that will hurt all that much. It'll probably have no more effect than all that "caravan" nonsense before the mid terms.

 

I am not sure the opposition is going to be Trump. I could see Republicans turning on him and dumping him in favor of someone like Nikki Haley.

 

Warren's appeal is that she is for the little guy not big business. That was why people were drawn to Trump. He claimed he was for the little guy but in reality he's all for business at the expense of the little guy. Remember he was going to bring back manufacturing in the Rust Belt and help the little guy. Well that never happened. ......

 

ISM Manufacturing Index Falls To 10-Year Low As China Trade War Takes Toll

• 10/01/2019

The ISM manufacturing index unexpectedly fell deeper into contraction, posting the weakest U.S. reading since the end of the last recession as a global slowdown and the U.S.-China trade war increasingly weigh on the sector. The Dow Jones Industrial Average and S&P 500 index erased solid gains and turned negative. The Nasdaq composite erased all of its gains.

The Institute for Supply Management's factory index slipped to 47.8 in September, the lowest since June 2009, according to data Tuesday. The figure missed all estimates in a Bloomberg survey that had called for an increase from August's 49.1.

As the group's production gauge slipped to a 10-year low, the employment measure dropped to the lowest since January 2016. That's a worrying sign before a jobs report Friday that's forecast to show private payroll growth remains subdued.

 

https://www.investors.com/news/economy/ism-manufacturing-index-10-year-low-china-trade-war-takes-toll/

 

 

 

So the people who took a chance on Trump and got zip would in theory take a chance on Warren for the same reason, because she can back up her claims of being for the little guy. She's not just all talk, she she has a record to run on.

[Ryan Strome]

Is Biden even the front runner anymore? Is Sanders still in?

[Canorth]

17 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

With Bernie having a heart attack he's pretty much done. You'd have to think his support would go Warren's way.

 

I think the nomination is hers to lose.

Agreed. But it might benefit her a great deal if she took a step or two towards the centre.

 

[Shift-4]

13 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

If the opposition is Trump then I would say yes. Warren will be painted as a socialist and a commie, but I don't know if that will hurt all that much. It'll probably have no more effect than all that "caravan" nonsense before the mid terms.

 

I am not sure the opposition is going to be Trump. I could see Republicans turning on him and dumping him in favor of someone like Nikki Haley.

 

 

I'm not so sure because I never thought he could win in the first place!

[Kragar]

21 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

 

Clinton??? (Betting odds section)

 

Futz, I know this isn't your data, I'm just pointing out that oddball piece of info. Do you know if there has been any talk of her hobbling into the ring?  Or is it a typo? I haven't heard anything about her giving it a go in a long time.

[nuckin_futz]

1 minute ago, Kragar said:

Clinton??? (Betting odds section)

 

Futz, I know this isn't your data, I'm just pointing out that oddball piece of info. Do you know if there has been any talk of her hobbling into the ring?  Or is it a typo? I haven't heard anything about her giving it a go in a long time.

The thinking is that if the leading candidate is overwhelmingly Warren that the Dems needs a centrist push from someone. I have heard it bandied about by people like Jim Cramer on CNBC. To be honest, I haven't really heard much of this talk and Hillary looks like she's pretty much retired. Not to mention she's something like 72 years old.

 

Although a rematch would be epic. Kinda like Rocky and Apollo going at it again.

[Chicken.]

5 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Clinton??? (Betting odds section)

 

Futz, I know this isn't your data, I'm just pointing out that oddball piece of info. Do you know if there has been any talk of her hobbling into the ring?  Or is it a typo? I haven't heard anything about her giving it a go in a long time.

I would guess it comes from the fact that  she actively teases about running again on twitter and still comments regularly on political matters.. still seems highly unlikely lol hopefully Warren wins..  “erase student debt!

”

 

  

 

[Kragar]

58 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

I'm not so sure because I never thought he could win in the first place!

It's so confusing, IMO.  When Trump turns on the verbal attacks, who knows where things can go.  It's not like Warren hasn't given him some good ammo to use.

 

Of course, Trump has had a wild ride so far.  From a GOP standpoint, he gets points for a lot of things, judicial appointments ( SC and lower courts), immigration (stemming the tide from central america), some economic success, as well as some in foreign policy.  But the tariffs are frustrating, and it takes a lot more than his wishes to bring back manufacturing like he campaigned on.  Healthcare hasn't gone his way either (whatever way that is supposed to be).  Also, his tax plan should have done much more for small business than big.

 

I think a lot of it rides on people's perception of the investigations, especially voters who turned to him for change.

[Kragar]

4 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

I would guess it comes from the fact that  she actively teases about running again on twitter and still comments regularly on political matters.. still seems highly unlikely lol hopefully Warren wins..  “erase student debt!

”

 

  

 

Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation awaits the resurgence of foreign donations, should she throw her hat into the ring.

[Shift-4]

12 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

The thinking is that if the leading candidate is overwhelmingly Warren that the Dems needs a centrist push from someone. I have heard it bandied about by people like Jim Cramer on CNBC. To be honest, I haven't really heard much of this talk and Hillary looks like she's pretty much retired. Not to mention she's something like 72 years old.

 

Although a rematch would be epic. Kinda like Rocky and Apollo going at it again.

Warren is 70

You are splitting grey hairs   

[bishopshodan]

12 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation awaits the resurgence of foreign donations, should she throw her hat into the ring.

Heard she said something like " maybe I will run, just to beat him again'

 

Thought that was really funny....losing the popular vote must annoy old Donny. 

[Kragar]

11 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Heard she said something like " maybe I will run, just to beat him again'

 

Thought that was really funny....losing the popular vote must annoy old Donny. 

Somehow, if that is the only win she gets, he'll take it

[Lancaster]

51 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Clinton??? (Betting odds section)

 

Futz, I know this isn't your data, I'm just pointing out that oddball piece of info. Do you know if there has been any talk of her hobbling into the ring?  Or is it a typo? I haven't heard anything about her giving it a go in a long time.

 

39 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

The thinking is that if the leading candidate is overwhelmingly Warren that the Dems needs a centrist push from someone. I have heard it bandied about by people like Jim Cramer on CNBC. To be honest, I haven't really heard much of this talk and Hillary looks like she's pretty much retired. Not to mention she's something like 72 years old.

 

Although a rematch would be epic. Kinda like Rocky and Apollo going at it again.

She has recently starting popping back out once against on the attack against Trump, about how he's illegitimate, etc.  Pretty much repeating what she said after she initially lost.

I believe she also had a fundraising dinner where she was charging 50k per seat or something. 

 

While having a rematch would be interesting... it will probably mess up the Democrat party even more than the first go around. 

If Hillary gets the nomination, it's pretty much Trump 2020 and perhaps even another Republican 2024 as many in the Democrat party will feel they've been rubbed raw once again.  

Although maybe she can run for VP and then if Trump loses, she will default to the POTUS once her "running mate" kicks the can (or get suicide'd, lol).  Biden, Sanders... they aren't really in the best of health.  

 

[Chicken.]

What's the over/under on how many times Trump will be talked about in tonight's debate ?  I'll go with at least 50 times since Anderson is moderating.. curious if Hunter Biden will be brought up by anyone.

 

I am amazed that Castro, and O'Rourke have made it this far.

Who is moderating?

CNN anchors Erin Burnett and Anderson Cooper and New York Times national editor Marc Lacey will serve as the debate moderators.

Who is participating?

Twelve Democratic presidential hopefuls will appear onstage:

• Former Vice President Joe Biden
• Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey
• South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
• Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro
• Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
• Sen. Kamala Harris of California
• Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota
• Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas
• Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont
• Businessman Tom Steyer
• Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
• Businessman Andrew Yang

To receive an invitation to this debate, candidates needed to attain at least 2% in four separate Democratic National Committee-approved polls and receive contributions from at least 130,000 unique donors, including at least 400 donors from 20 different states. 

 

 

[Canorth]

46 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

What's the over/under on how many times Trump will be talked about in tonight's debate ?  I'll go with at least 50 times since Anderson is moderating.. curious if Hunter Biden will be brought up by anyone.

 

I am amazed that Castro, and O'Rourke have made it this far.

Who is moderating?

CNN anchors Erin Burnett and Anderson Cooper and New York Times national editor Marc Lacey will serve as the debate moderators.

Who is participating?

Twelve Democratic presidential hopefuls will appear onstage:

• Former Vice President Joe Biden
• Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey
• South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
• Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro
• Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
• Sen. Kamala Harris of California
• Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota
• Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas
• Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont
• Businessman Tom Steyer
• Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
• Businessman Andrew Yang

To receive an invitation to this debate, candidates needed to attain at least 2% in four separate Democratic National Committee-approved polls and receive contributions from at least 130,000 unique donors, including at least 400 donors from 20 different states. 

 

 

12???

 

what better way to make these debates less confusing.... just add two more 

[CBH1926]

Strategy has changed from let’s attack Biden to let’s gang up on Warren.

Bernie should drop out and endorse Warren since they share the same views.

If Warren continues to run on elimination of private health care and break up of tech companies.

She better not win the nomination because that $&!# is not going to fly.

 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

I wonder how this will play out in the polls in the lead-up to the Nov. debate.

 

 

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is backing Bernie Sanders in 2020, is the most coveted 2020 endorsement besides former presidents

 

• Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York will be endorsing Sen. Bernie Sanders on Saturday, October 19, The Washington Post reported. 
• Self-reported Democratic primary voters polled by Insider say they value prominent progressive lawmaker Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's 2020 endorsement the most out with the exception of former Democratic presidents. 
• Twenty-five percent said they valued Ocasio-Cortez's endorsement, the same percentage who said they valued 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's endorsement. 
• A number of progressive senators running for president are clamoring for the opportunity to collaborate with Ocasio-Cortez on legislation and vying for her endorsement.
• "What I would like to see in a presidential candidate is one that has a coherent worldview and logic from which all these policy proposals are coming forward," Ocasio-Cortez told CNN in May.
• Ocasio-Cortez has collaborated with Sanders on a climate change resolution and legislation capping credit interest rates, shot a video with Sen. Elizabeth Warren criticizing Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, and is teaming up with Sen. Kamala Harris on a bill to reform federal public housing.