Ronaldoescobar Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Could the delay be over internal squabbling between the candidates as they start realizing whoever does get the nod will be annihilated by the Trump train as the voters ferociously oppose communist liberal socialist fascism? Edited February 4, 2020 by Ronaldoescobar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 They should release these results 7 to 10 minutes in to the state of the union address. Just for fun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: What has Sanders done in his long political career to actually help people of this country, from legislative point of view? What positive change he brought on large scale? Lip service, oposing this and that, protesting, filibustering etc. doesn't count. Couldn't even get medicaid for all passed in Vermont. To exclude the things you're excluding seems pretty unfair. Isn't a person's character also important? And being on the right side of history as often as Sanders, often as part of a small minority, should factor into one's opinion, no? Just because he didn't single-handedly stop the PATRIOT ACT, or the war in Iraq, or break up the banks, doesn't mean he's ineffectual. To me, his record speaks of a man ahead of his time. Sadly the vast majority of politicians he has to work with are beholden to their donors first, and themselves second. Fighting for what's right is always an uphill battle, but Sanders has been on the trail so long he's possibly reaching the top. He is shifting the Overton window to the left, despite both Republicans and Democrats fighting against him. If he wins the presidency, his years of what some may see as ineffectual politicking may culminate in the most progressive, defining presidency of our time. If he can restore even an ounce of integrity in the system, that alone would be one of the most positive fundamental changes in America since the New Deal. Now that I've got that off my chest, let me point to some tangible results (I'll just copy/paste some that I like from an internet list). He was dubbed the “amendment king” in the House of Representatives for passing more amendments than any other member of Congress. 1984: Mayor Sanders established the Burlington Community Land Trust, the first municipal housing land-trust in the country for affordable housing. 1991: one of a handful in Congress to vote against authorizing US military force in Iraq. “I have a real fear that the region is not going to be more peaceful or more stable after the war,” he said at the time. 1992: Congress passes Sanders’ first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. A Reader’s Digest article calls the law “the cancer weapon America needs most.” All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights. July 1996: Sanders is one of only 67 (out of 435, 15%) votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. August 1999: An overflow crowd of Vermonters packs a St. Michael’s College town hall meeting hosted by Sanders to protest an IBM plan to cut older workers’ pensions by as much as 50 percent. ... Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees. October 2001: Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. “All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms,” October 2002: Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could “result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism.” March 2010: President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans August 2014: A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sen. Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama. The measure includes $5 billion for the VA to hire more doctors and health professionals to meet growing demand for care. September 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) today introduced bills to ban private prisons, reinstate the federal parole system and eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention. There's more, of course, but I hope this is enough to get you acquainted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Wow Mayor Pete might pull it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Lockout Casualty said: To exclude the things you're excluding seems pretty unfair. Isn't a person's character also important? And being on the right side of history as often as Sanders, often as part of a small minority, should factor into one's opinion, no? Just because he didn't single-handedly stop the PATRIOT ACT, or the war in Iraq, or break up the banks, doesn't mean he's ineffectual. To me, his record speaks of a man ahead of his time. Sadly the vast majority of politicians he has to work with are beholden to their donors first, and themselves second. Fighting for what's right is always an uphill battle, but Sanders has been on the trail so long he's possibly reaching the top. He is shifting the Overton window to the left, despite both Republicans and Democrats fighting against him. If he wins the presidency, his years of what some may see as ineffectual politicking may culminate in the most progressive, defining presidency of our time. If he can restore even an ounce of integrity in the system, that alone would be one of the most positive fundamental changes in America since the New Deal. Now that I've got that off my chest, let me point to some tangible results (I'll just copy/paste some that I like from an internet list). He was dubbed the “amendment king” in the House of Representatives for passing more amendments than any other member of Congress. 1984: Mayor Sanders established the Burlington Community Land Trust, the first municipal housing land-trust in the country for affordable housing. 1991: one of a handful in Congress to vote against authorizing US military force in Iraq. “I have a real fear that the region is not going to be more peaceful or more stable after the war,” he said at the time. 1992: Congress passes Sanders’ first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. A Reader’s Digest article calls the law “the cancer weapon America needs most.” All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights. July 1996: Sanders is one of only 67 (out of 435, 15%) votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. August 1999: An overflow crowd of Vermonters packs a St. Michael’s College town hall meeting hosted by Sanders to protest an IBM plan to cut older workers’ pensions by as much as 50 percent. ... Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees. October 2001: Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. “All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms,” October 2002: Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could “result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism.” March 2010: President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans August 2014: A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sen. Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama. The measure includes $5 billion for the VA to hire more doctors and health professionals to meet growing demand for care. September 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) today introduced bills to ban private prisons, reinstate the federal parole system and eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention. There's more, of course, but I hope this is enough to get you acquainted. I didn’t have a chance to look through all those amendments that you listed, but I will take your word for it. Bernie did vote against defense of marriage act in 1996 but he did so because he believed federal government has no right to impose decisions onto states. He voted against Brady bill in 1993 for universal gun checks and against the ability of citizens to sue gun manufacturers in 2006. My main sticking point is that 80 year old career politician that spent his life on government teat is some sort of an outsider. Besides being too old, he is as divisive as Trump and I don’t think he can or will win. Modern day McGovern imo, today even Lindsey Graham and Eric Trump were tweeting positive about him. I wonder why, I am not the only one that thinks he can’t win, plenty of others do as well. Now we can dismiss these people as part of the “establishment” but I don’t think they are wrong. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-beat-donald-trump-2020-obama-campaign/story?id=62455986 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/04/chris_matthews_bernie_sanders_is_not_going_to_be_president_im_not_happy_with_this_field.html https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/bernie-sanderss-biggest-challenges/605500/ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/opinion/bernie-sanders-campaign.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Warhippy said: Are...you serious? Genuinely curious. His voting record on major issues is out there. His movements and campaigning are public knowledge. People state he has been on the right side of history more often than not. It might be worth looking in to it yourself instead of just asking people to tell you. For the record though, many people refuse to look once their minds are made up. Your statements kind of suggest not much will change your stance so I have opted to add some link regarding his position and voting history https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/?p=1 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357 https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/S000033-bernard-sanders/compare-votes/115 https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q={"bill-status":"law"}&searchResultViewType=expanded&KWICView=false I wasn’t joking, I have looked his pass votes/initiatives/proposals and nothing that I saw really jumped at me. Just another “outsider” that spent his life in politics. He was unable to pass single payer healthcare in tiny, white, Democrat run state. But somehow I am supposed to believe that he will do that for a country of 330 million. What I see is two angry old demagogues, screaming how they will protect workers and fight the establishment. Whilst their nut hugging base is getting wood every time they hear them talk. Edited February 5, 2020 by CBH1926 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Chicken. said: Wow Mayor Pete might pull it off Bloomberg... with all this connections, media outlet and financial clout.... with zero, lol. I'm surprised that Gabbard didn't get anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Bloomberg... with all this connections, media outlet and financial clout.... with zero, lol. I'm surprised that Gabbard didn't get anything. Bloomberg skipped Iowa caucus, he is going after states with large amount of delegates. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Power to the people: Bernie calls for federal takeover of electricity production https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117?mod=article_inline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Power to the people: Bernie calls for federal takeover of electricity production https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117?mod=article_inline This is what we call fear mongering and spoon feeding. It's not a takeover. He's calling for massive expansion and public investment in to sustainable energy markets the same way that the government did nuclear, hydroelectric and such. A take over suggests taking private companies. What absolute tripe, it's LITERALLY in the story... Edited February 5, 2020 by Warhippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Anyone else catch the woman who asked if she could change her vote after just finding out that mayor Pete is gay? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/viral/woman-withdraws-her-iowa-caucus-vote-for-candidate-pete-buttigieg-after-learning-hes-gay/vi-BBZFPHX It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.... Edited February 5, 2020 by RUPERTKBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: Anyone else catch the woman who asked if she could change her vote after just finding out that mayor Pete is gay? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/viral/woman-withdraws-her-iowa-caucus-vote-for-candidate-pete-buttigieg-after-learning-hes-gay/vi-BBZFPHX It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.... I've liked him from the start. My concern has been will enough of the American public be accepting that he is gay for him to win? And here it is. Yes that is pathetic and sadly not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Democratic Party Chair, Tom Perez is calling for a full recount in Iowa: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/democratic-party-chair-calls-for-iowa-recount/ar-BBZJldY?li=AAggNb9 I understand the desire to get it right, but if somehow results in Biden "winning", we'll all know that the fix is in. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Democratic Party Chair, Tom Perez is calling for a full recount in Iowa: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/democratic-party-chair-calls-for-iowa-recount/ar-BBZJldY?li=AAggNb9 I understand the desire to get it right, but if somehow results in Biden "winning", we'll all know that the fix is in. Again. Don't forget. In 2012 this exact same thing happened in Iowa with the GOP declaring...Rick Santorum the winner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Women of color bolt Warren’s Nevada campaign in frustration https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/women-of-color-bolt-warrens-nevada-campaign-in-frustration/ar-BBZJy6U?li=BBnbfcL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 no winner for the Dems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 22 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Democratic Party Chair, Tom Perez is calling for a full recount in Iowa: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/democratic-party-chair-calls-for-iowa-recount/ar-BBZJldY?li=AAggNb9 I understand the desire to get it right, but if somehow results in Biden "winning", we'll all know that the fix is in. Again. Don't worry... the rest of us know what's going on. We've known for years that Dems don't know how to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The main infection in the Democratic party is at it again. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/hillary-clinton-doubles-down-on-bernie-sanders-criticism/ar-BBZL638?ocid=ientp Sadly, people like Howard Stern and Ellen DeGeneres seem to think that Shillary Clinton has something valuable to add to the debate at this point. That her voice still matters. She's the herpes of the establishment that seemingly doesn't go away. This quote is especially vomitus: When asked by talk show host Ellen DeGeneres if she wanted to address her prior remarks about the Vermont independent, Clinton noted that while she originally made them about a year and a half ago, "I have a pretty clear perspective about what it's going to take to win, and as I said earlier, that's what I think the key calculation for any voter has to be." The ego that this horrible person is allowed to flaunt is pathetic. You didn't win, Shillary, because you're an elitist and thought that half the country was beneath you. If Dumbpf wins, one can look to occurrences like this to show how the DNC is being run by yesterdays news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 9:31 PM, Warhippy said: This is what we call fear mongering and spoon feeding. It's not a takeover. He's calling for massive expansion and public investment in to sustainable energy markets the same way that the government did nuclear, hydroelectric and such. A take over suggests taking private companies. What absolute tripe, it's LITERALLY in the story... but scary headline commonisms!!! they'll have to be careful not to repeat Ontario's experiment, but there are many examples of where gov't run power is cheaper for the consumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 3:57 PM, Chicken. said: Wow Mayor Pete might pull it off you mean win, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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