NDP set to unveil $15-billion climate plan that would slash greenhouse gas emissions

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

There is little or no logic in my argument.  There are no facts or figures, or even expert opinions.  My argument just is:  we are the top of the consumer ladder.  Good for us.  Let’s stay there as long as we possibly can.  

That has nothing to do with telling people to pollute less while we pollute more than them. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

Yeah. But we canadian as a whole don't even compare to India or China in almost anything really - total educated people, total wealth, total military might.....Canadians also don't compare to India or China in consumption of any particular product/good. 

Being on top and being one of the worst offenders at pollution are two seperate things. There are richer countries than us, also on the top, who are lesser polluters than us. What is really not on, is being one of the worst polluters on the planet but acting like we are somehow better at pollution than 90% of the planet. 

 

Being a smaller population does not give the Canadian individuals a free pass on polluting more than other people while pretending we don't. 

Maybe because we are individually the worst polluters means we are at the top?  

[canuckistani]

Just now, Alflives said:

Maybe because we are individually the worst polluters means we are at the top?  

No, because there are countries doing far better than us while polluting less. Canada is high in pollution not because they are the top, but because they are anti-industry, because we want to cater to NIMBYs who don't want a smoke belcher in their backyard. This is precisely what makes us far worse polluters than 90% of the planet. 

[Alflives]

Just now, canuckistani said:

That has nothing to do with telling people to pollute less while we pollute more than them. 

Actually it does.  We are at the top and we want to stay there.  For those other countries to get to where we are (and there is clearly no room for them and us at the top) we need to slow down their industrial growth, right?  

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Actually it does.  We are at the top and we want to stay there.  For those other countries to get to where we are (and there is clearly no room for them and us at the top) we need to slow down their industrial growth, right?  

slowing down their industrial growth by importing all foreign made goods ?!?  China's economy exists because we have too many restrictions towards manufacturing here, hence its cheaper to make it in China and import it here. 

you are not just slowing down industrial growth of foreign developing nations by stopping export of oil, you are also slowing down Canadian economy. Its the classic case of chop your nose to spite your face. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

No, because there are countries doing far better than us while polluting less. Canada is high in pollution not because they are the top, but because they are anti-industry, because we want to cater to NIMBYs who don't want a smoke belcher in their backyard. This is precisely what makes us far worse polluters than 90% of the planet. 

we are at the top, because we consume like we are at the top.  We are the best consumers.  That makes us first, right? 

[canuckistani]

Just now, Alflives said:

we are at the top, because we consume like we are at the top.  We are the best consumers.  That makes us first, right? 

but we consume less than a dozen+ nations on the planet by your logic. 

We are at the top because we have a big empty country and too few people. This is not advantage due to merit ( like the Germans or Japanese) but advantage due to luck. And sooner or later, the luck will run out as our population increases. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

slowing down their industrial growth by importing all foreign made goods ?!?  China's economy exists because we have too many restrictions towards manufacturing here, hence its cheaper to make it in China and import it here. 

you are not just slowing down industrial growth of foreign developing nations by stopping export of oil, you are also slowing down Canadian economy. Its the classic case of chop your nose to spite your face. 

We don’t want to make crap here, because it’s nasty.  Let them make our crap, and nasty up their landscape.  But we don’t want them to develop too fast, so we put restrictions on their polluting.  It’s actually a great way to keep us at the top (and not having stinky stuff here) for longer.  

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

We don’t want to make crap here, because it’s nasty.  Let them make our crap, and nasty up their landscape.

If they make our crap for us, then their economy grows faster than ours. Oh look....it is. 

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

 But we don’t want them to develop too fast, so we put restrictions on their polluting.

And they won't follow it. They hold the advantage by building our crap for us. We don't build our crap. If we don't buy their crap, they will sell it to someone else. We will be stuck without crap if we don't buy it. We don't have leverage power as a consumer - the leverage power always rests with the producer. 

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

 It’s actually a great way to keep us at the top (and not having stinky stuff here) for longer.  

No, it isn't. Its hurting our own economy far more than it is hurting theirs. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

but we consume less than a dozen+ nations on the planet by your logic. 

We are at the top because we have a big empty country and too few people. This is not advantage due to merit ( like the Germans or Japanese) but advantage due to luck. And sooner or later, the luck will run out as our population increases. 

Regardless, we are at the top.  Why were are there is moo.  (I loved Joey -  Moo)  We have resources that will keep us at the top of the polluting people's for as long as we have an abundance, and we keep our population small.  

 

[Alflives]

Just now, canuckistani said:

If they make our crap for us, then their economy grows faster than ours. Oh look....it is. 

And they won't follow it. They hold the advantage by building our crap for us. We don't build our crap. If we don't buy their crap, they will sell it to someone else. We will be stuck without crap if we don't buy it. We don't have leverage power as a consumer - the leverage power always rests with the producer. 

No, it isn't. Its hurting our own economy far more than it is hurting theirs. 

Sorry Stani, I’m bringing you down to my level.  It’s like when really top teams play down to the level of the Oilers.  

[canuckistani]

Just now, Alflives said:

Regardless, we are at the top.  Why were are there is moo.  (I loved Joey -  Moo)  We have resources that will keep us at the top of the polluting people's for as long as we have an abundance, and we keep our population small.  

Thats not sustainable. Just like America is coming to grinding halt due to them being qualitatively inferior economy and having relied on the  'plenty' paradigm, so too will us. Right now, Canada is like the uneducated trust fund kid who's dad left him a million dollars. The developing world are poor kids who went to university. Sooner or later, if not this generation, then by the next generation, those who are living like trust fund kids will run out of their kitty, while those who got there due to their own merits, will continue to be there. 
Who would you want your kid to marry ? a trust fund kid with no worth ethic & education that comes with a million bucks or a hard working, well educated one who comes with 50K in the bank ?

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

Thats not sustainable. Just like America is coming to grinding halt due to them being qualitatively inferior economy and having relied on the  'plenty' paradigm, so too will us. Right now, Canada is like the uneducated trust fund kid who's dad left him a million dollars. The developing world are poor kids who went to university. Sooner or later, if not this generation, then by the next generation, those who are living like trust fund kids will run out of their kitty, while those who got there due to their own merits, will continue to be there. 
Who would you want your kid to marry ? a trust fund kid with no worth ethic & education that comes with a million bucks or a hard working, well educated one who comes with 50K in the bank ?

It’s still all moo.  We are at the top now.  Every society that was once at the top falls off its perch, or gets knocked off.  Whether we fall off by our own doing, are knocked off by another, or some combination of both (most likely) for now we are at the top, and should enjoy it.  Keep consuming, and hold the others clambering to claw up to us down as long as we can.  At some point the others clawing at our ankles will cause us damage and pain.  That’s when there will be war, and this war will be nasty.  So for now, enjoy the view from the top.  

[canuckistani]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s still all moo.  We are at the top now.  Every society that was once at the top falls off its perch, or gets knocked off.

Sure. But WHEN you get knocked off has a lot to do with how hardworking and elite your standards are. Germany got whacked twice in the last 100 years worse than Canada and they are still at the top for the last 120 years of engineering excellence because they are not living off of nature's luck card like us. Without changing our attitude, we will be knocked off as soon as our kitty runs dry, because we have not built much merit in high end anything. 

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

 Whether we fall off by our own doing, are knocked off by another, or some combination of both (most likely) for now we are at the top, and should enjoy it.  Keep consuming, and hold the others clambering to claw up to us down as long as we can.  At some point the others clawing at our ankles will cause us damage and pain.  That’s when there will be war, and this war will be nasty.  So for now, enjoy the view from the top.  

They are already causing us more pain because Canadians are getting poorer by the day and the developing world is getting richer by the day. All because we won't build our own crap and let them build it for us. 

[MystifyNCrucify]

22 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

You spelled wine wrong...

But having some Pinot Gris at Spanish Banks tonight sounds great, for sure.

How can you even drink wine with your head that far up your butt?  

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

How can you even drink wine with your head that far up your butt?  

I only drink dinosaur juice.

 

Really old varietal. 

[MystifyNCrucify]

2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I only drink dinosaur juice.

 

Really old varietal. 

I hear it ages well. Big cash for that vintage. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

Sure. But WHEN you get knocked off has a lot to do with how hardworking and elite your standards are. Germany got whacked twice in the last 100 years worse than Canada and they are still at the top for the last 120 years of engineering excellence because they are not living off of nature's luck card like us. Without changing our attitude, we will be knocked off as soon as our kitty runs dry, because we have not built much merit in high end anything. 

They are already causing us more pain because Canadians are getting poorer by the day and the developing world is getting richer by the day. All because we won't build our own crap and let them build it for us. 

And we are getting fatter and softer and lazier and dumber and and and.  To me, that’s all moo.  We are at the top.  We are enjoying the view.  

[The Lock]

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I only drink dinosaur juice.

 

Really old varietal. 

[canuckistani]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And we are getting fatter and softer and lazier and dumber and and and.  To me, that’s all moo.  We are at the top.  We are enjoying the view.  

So enjoy the view for a brief period of time because you chose to live off of daddy's credit card ( nature's largesses) than develop your own skill. With this attitude, Canada won't be a Germany or a Japan ever.