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Sign Panarin to a 7x10 deal then sign Myers to a 4x5 deal

Then trade 2020 4th to Toronto for Zaitsev  and Kapanen

Why TOR does this 

they need cap space it clears up some cap space

Why Van does it

Kapanen will be a very good winger for Bo

Then Trade Sutter To ANA for 2020 4th

Why Van Does this 

Sutter is expendable with Gaudette  here so trading him for a pick would be good

Why ANA Does this 

They need a replacement for Kesler 

 

Then trade Sven Baertschi to the wild for a 3rd round pick in 2019 

Why the Wild do it 

They need help scoring Sven is a good top 6 player when healthy 

Why Van Does it 

Svens health is a concern and bringing Kapanen would replace him

 

Send Eriksson down to utica and let Granlund Walk 

 

LINE UP

 

Panarin Petttersson Boeser 
Pearson Horvat Kapanen
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
Liveo Begale Goldobin

Hughes Myers
Edler Zaitsev
Stetcher Tanev/Hutton

Markstrom 
Demko

(Scratches
Hutton/Tanev
Motte
Schenn 

PP1
Panarin Horvat Pettersson
Boeser Hughes

 

PP2
Pearson Gaudette Kapanen
Virtanen Edler 
 

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You are really overestimating the value of 4th round picks :lol:

That Zaitsev Kapanen deal would have to be closer to a 4th overall than a 4th rounder. 

Sutter would fetch more than a 4th. 

Panarin/Myers likely both cost more than that. 

 

All that aside, I actually really like your thought process here and this would seriously improve the team, but wanted to point out that I think we would be paying a bit more & losing slightly more valuable picks to make the whole thing happen.

 

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59 minutes ago, VanNucks1 said:

Then trade 2020 4th to Toronto for Zaitsev  and Kapanen

I don't think TOR will accept a 4th in 2020 for Zaitsev and Kapanen. I know they want to clear some cap space, but they'll still want to get back as much as possible (picks, prospects) for those guys. I'd like to get Panarin, and I don't mind trading Sutter to the Canucks Pasture. Baertschi to Minny sounds good to me. Eriksson has a NTC, but even still, I can't see them sending a $6,000,000 player down to the minors. 

 

 

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Kapanen for a 4th rounder  (Zaitsev is bolting for KHL) essentially,  ok then.

Gaudette replaces Sutter who replaces Kessler therefore Gaudette essentially = Kesler, ok then.

We're worried about Bear's health but for some reason Minny isn't,  ok then.

 

Creative,  but not sure how well thought out.

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21 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Kapanen for a 4th rounder  (Zaitsev is bolting for KHL) essentially,  ok then.

Gaudette replaces Sutter who replaces Kessler therefore Gaudette essentially = Kesler, ok then.

We're worried about Bear's health but for some reason Minny isn't,  ok then.

 

Creative,  but not sure how well thought out.

I don't get your point here? In no way does trading Sutter for a 4th mean Gaudette = Kesler.

 

Even if ignoring that, Gaudette has more value than Kesler.. so.. your point?

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20 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

I don't get your point here? In no way does trading Sutter for a 4th mean Gaudette = Kesler.

 

Even if ignoring that, Gaudette has more value than Kesler.. so.. your point?

Point is, as with so many proposals here,  the valuation is way, way off imo.

Gaudette is in no way,  shape,  or form an immediate replacement for Sutter.  Maybe in 2 years perhaps if he continues to develop with the right on-ice mentorship  (like a guy named Sutter could provide).

Sutter's value to our franchise,  where we are in our development right now, is vastly underrated imo.

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1 hour ago, 'NucK™ said:

That Zaitsev Kapanen deal would have to be closer to a 4th overall than a 4th rounder. 

i undeerstand that they are worth more but Toronto needs the cap space therfore we low ball  

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I would only be interested in Kapanen's skills, he would budget in nicely with our young core.

 

I'm not the F/A big dollars kinda guy, I see few high returns in the past.

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2 hours ago, VanNucks1 said:

i undeerstand that they are worth more but Toronto needs the cap space therfore we low ball  

Just because a team needs to lose cap space, it doesn't mean they are ready to do anything to lose that cap space. It doesn't mean we get a freebie out of it just because we are "helping them out".

 

If Vancouver were in this situation, would you be suddenly willing to throw in Gaudette or someone better than Gaudette even just to get rid of Eriksson's contract? Would you pull that trigger even if there were other options? Kapanen's likely worth more than Gaudette just to put that into perspective.

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5 hours ago, VanNucks1 said:

Sign Panarin to a 7x10 deal then sign Myers to a 4x5 deal

Then trade 2020 4th to Toronto for Zaitsev  and Kapanen

Why TOR does this 

they need cap space it clears up some cap space

Why Van does it

Kapanen will be a very good winger for Bo

Then Trade Sutter To ANA for 2020 4th

Why Van Does this 

Sutter is expendable with Gaudette  here so trading him for a pick would be good

Why ANA Does this 

They need a replacement for Kesler 

 

Then trade Sven Baertschi to the wild for a 3rd round pick in 2019 

Why the Wild do it 

They need help scoring Sven is a good top 6 player when healthy 

Why Van Does it 

Svens health is a concern and bringing Kapanen would replace him

 

Send Eriksson down to utica and let Granlund Walk 

 

LINE UP

 

Panarin Petttersson Boeser 
Pearson Horvat Kapanen
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
Liveo Begale Goldobin

Hughes Myers
Edler Zaitsev
Stetcher Tanev/Hutton

Markstrom 
Demko

(Scratches
Hutton/Tanev
Motte
Schenn 

PP1
Panarin Horvat Pettersson
Boeser Hughes

 

PP2
Pearson Gaudette Kapanen
Virtanen Edler 
 

I like what you are doing, but I do think you are off a bit on value.

-I think Panarin will get closer to 11 on a 7 year deal.  I think I'd still offer that.  If it goes much higher, which I think it may, I'd walk away.

-I think Meyers will get an extra year 4x6, or another million 5x5.

-I want Kapanen, but don't think taking Zaitsev is enough.  You'd probably be looking at a 2nd/Hutton (not sure how other teams value him though) or 2nd/Tanev for Zaitsev/Kapananen.  

-You could push for a 2nd, maybe with some retention, on Sutter.  He's overpaid but is still a very good 3rd liner and is much more than a cap dump.

 

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Panarin is looking for closer to 11M.  Myers was paid 5.5M on his last deal - he's looking for more.  The Canucks' offer has to beat out the offers from other teams.  

 

Several teams have apparently called on Zaitsev with how few RHDs are available - Toronto could get an asset in return rather than add one. 

 

Anaheim.  The Ducks are rebuilding and have enough veterans locked in long term.  They need room for their prospects.  They need to send vets out especially if they take on new ones.  Henrique is starting a new 5x 5.825M contract this season. 

 

Gaudette is not a replacement for Sutter.  Green made sure to play him against the weakest competition possible and he still got caved in.  Right now Gaudette is better off developing in the AHL.  Green wants to win.  This is his 3rd year as coach and the losses are piling up - he can't continue to lose or he'll have trouble staying in the league as a head coach.   If Gaudette stays on the roster he might end up playing ridiculously low minutes which pretty much eliminates his whole line from being able to do anything.

 

Minnesota.  The Wild have far too many forwards and need to move players out.  They want to be active in free agency and their roster is crowded.  Trading for a F makes no sense for them unless another player goes out.  Also all their top-9 players are left shots save for Kunin.  They need right shot players not another lefty.  If Baertschi's health is a concern why wouldn't it be for his new team.  Also, like the Canucks, the Wild play dump&chase - Baertschi is not going to help scoring in that kind of system as that's not his game.    

 

Canucks did not want Gagner in Utica - Johnson explained that they didn't want to take ice time away from young players that they wanted to get up and running.   Same concern if they send Eriksson to Utica.

 

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Of these things the easiest is to choose either Panarin Myers and sign them.  We can’t afford both, would cost us closer to 20 then 15....

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On 6/5/2019 at 8:23 AM, VanNucks1 said:

Sign Panarin to a 7x10 deal then sign Myers to a 4x5 deal

Then trade 2020 4th to Toronto for Zaitsev  and Kapanen

Why TOR does this 

they need cap space it clears up some cap space

Why Van does it

Kapanen will be a very good winger for Bo

Then Trade Sutter To ANA for 2020 4th

Why Van Does this 

Sutter is expendable with Gaudette  here so trading him for a pick would be good

Why ANA Does this 

They need a replacement for Kesler 

 

Then trade Sven Baertschi to the wild for a 3rd round pick in 2019 

Why the Wild do it 

They need help scoring Sven is a good top 6 player when healthy 

Why Van Does it 

Svens health is a concern and bringing Kapanen would replace him

 

Send Eriksson down to utica and let Granlund Walk 

 

LINE UP

 

Panarin Petttersson Boeser 
Pearson Horvat Kapanen
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
Liveo Begale Goldobin

Hughes Myers
Edler Zaitsev
Stetcher Tanev/Hutton

Markstrom 
Demko

(Scratches
Hutton/Tanev
Motte
Schenn 

PP1
Panarin Horvat Pettersson
Boeser Hughes

 

PP2
Pearson Gaudette Kapanen
Virtanen Edler 
 

Your heart is in the right place but the only place that this would ever work would be on NHL 19’ (or I guess NHL 20 in September).

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I would just be happy if we get rid of Sutter, Eriksson, Baer retain salary. Save Cap. Cause Panarin isn't coming here if we don't get anther UFA like EK or Duchene. Seems like he going to Florida anyways. 

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