D-Money Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: Just curious, are you as optimistic for Juolevi? Yeah. Only problem for OJ is he's had a lot more injury trouble so far. But if he can stay healthy, I definitely see him as becoming a quality 2nd pairing D-man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Goldy also happened to be a ppg player in the AHL in Utica, and very close to it in SJ in his 2nd year there too. Yeah, but he was a year-and-a-half older when he started playing in the AHL. And the baby Sharks were a lot better when he was there than the Condors were the 2 seasons prior to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Alflives said: Poolparty is a bustaroo. He doesn't put up points, is horrible defensively, and can't help the team win in any way. thats the way in Edmonton tho, so how much of that is their crap team culture? I dunno. If JP doesn't get moved he's destined for classic tweener status. Who knows, maybe as training camp draws to a close and it looks like a waiver loss something might give. But as of now I don't see how JP nets Edmonton much back in trade on his own. If the deal was just Lucic + JP for Loui and Goldy I'd be pissed as I think Edmonton gets the better of us in that one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Wanless said: The thing is he is doing no better than Goldobin and he is not worth a first in a trade and we all know that. As high as pool party was hyped he is worth no more than a project player with a higher ceiling, or a solid 25-28 year old 3rd liner. If the oilers are expecting a first Holland is set up to look bad The Oilers are just trying to not make the same mistake as they've done with the majority of their winger trades so far. So now they are overcompensating by over-valuing Puljujarvi. Their best case scenario is simply to hang onto him and develop him (unless they are forced to moved him to rid themselves of Lucic, which in itself would be worth it for the Oilers). It comes down to whether Puljujarvi wants out and forces their hand to move him in which case it's going to hurt his value unless they can get done quickly before it boils over. I agree with the fact that he's becoming a project player, albeit a very young one. I think he does have value, but his development has to happen at the NHL level as he likely doesn't clear waivers. So he will have to take up an NHL roster spot that may belong to a more deserving player at the time. It'll make it a tough decision if he doesn't step it up in camp and earn a spot and say another player does. It will go against everything this team has been saying that young players will make the team if they earn their spots. The other reason I'm hesitant about acquiring Puljujarvi is that I hate the Pool Party nickname. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, D-Money said: Yeah, but he was a year-and-a-half older when he started playing in the AHL. And the baby Sharks were a lot better when he was there than the Condors were the 2 seasons prior to this one. sure but Goldy repeated the performance in Utica too. I just think there's more to Goldy than we've seen or give him credit for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, D-Money said: Yeah. Only problem for OJ is he's had a lot more injury trouble so far. But if he can stay healthy, I definitely see him as becoming a quality 2nd pairing D-man. Okay just wondering because many posters seem to always think the grass is always greener on the other side. Puljujarvi has recently had hip surgery after getting a second opinion on his lower body issue. It starts to open up this same risk-based thinking now about his health long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: sure but Goldy repeated the performance in Utica too. I just think there's more to Goldy than we've seen or give him credit for. There might be, but he doesn't play Green's game, so I don't think he'll ever get the chance. He'd probably fit in Edmonton though. Here's something I would do... To EDM: Eriksson + Goldobin To VAN: Lucic + Puljujarvi (One caveat: Lucic renegotiates his NMC so that it briefly does not apply for the expansion draft. I don't think he'd waive the right to protect himself from going to Utica permanently, but the NMC could come back July 1st). Edited June 10, 2019 by D-Money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Eriksson and a 5th for Lucic and Puljujarvi Pretty simple idea. Someone pointed out that the Seattle draft gives Lucic a chance to play for Seattle which is a 90 minute drive from home but with none of the spotlight issues so paying Seattle a 2nd or 3rd to take Looch in the expansion draft isn't the worst idea either if he'd be open to moving 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, D-Money said: JP >>> NG, and it's not close. Goldobin is nearly 4 years older. He started in the AHL a year and a half later, and on a much better team. His development is close to done. He's complimentary offensive player, and PP specialist, who hasn't yet proven that he's worth a F/T roster spot. Puljujarvi was a 4th overall pick for a reason. Some of the shine is off, but he's only 20, and could easily still develop into a quality top-6 RW. Yes, we'd likely need to add because of the age difference and (quickly diminishing) draft pedigree. But not a lot IMO. I still like my idea of something around Sutter with 50% retention for Russell + Pool (give or take some moving parts possibly including Goldobin and some picks going back and forth). They've got young D to fill in Russell's minutes and add a solid match up C to open up offensive minutes/situations for their offensive players, kill penalties etc and gain a good couple mil of much needed cap space in the process. We add some D depth without going in to the expensive (and term) UFA market that expires right when we need to pay EP/Hughes, Woo should be ready etc and get a Hail Mary top 6 prospect to battle with Virtanen to play 2nd/3rd line RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Eriksson and a 5th for Lucic and Puljujarvi Pretty simple idea. Someone pointed out that the Seattle draft gives Lucic a chance to play for Seattle which is a 90 minute drive from home but with none of the spotlight issues so paying Seattle a 2nd or 3rd to take Looch in the expansion draft isn't the worst idea either if he'd be open to moving I'd be very happy with this. As long as Lucic is available for the expansion draft I am good with this idea. I think it works for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Eriksson and a 5th for Lucic and Puljujarvi Pretty simple idea. Someone pointed out that the Seattle draft gives Lucic a chance to play for Seattle which is a 90 minute drive from home but with none of the spotlight issues so paying Seattle a 2nd or 3rd to take Looch in the expansion draft isn't the worst idea either if he'd be open to moving Why are we adding a 5th? If anything EDM needs to add. I'm also not paying SEA anything extra to take someone either. That was the biggest mistake a lot of GM's made last ED, losing two assets instead of one. I'd far rather just not trade for Lucic and keep my future 2nd. I think you're underestimating how bad Lucic's contract is here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, D-Money said: JP >>> NG, and it's not close. Goldobin is nearly 4 years older. He started in the AHL a year and a half later, and on a much better team. His development is close to done. He's complimentary offensive player, and PP specialist, who hasn't yet proven that he's worth a F/T roster spot. Puljujarvi was a 4th overall pick for a reason. Some of the shine is off, but he's only 20, and could easily still develop into a quality top-6 RW. I'd agree but watching PP play the percentage chance of him reaching his potential has drastically dropped. He really looks lost out there. Big body but makes Taylor Pyatt look tough to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I'd be very happy with this. As long as Lucic is available for the expansion draft I am good with this idea. I think it works for both teams. Lucic is not available for the draft, you'd have to work that out with him prior to the draft and he'd 100% HAVE to agree to it 16 minutes ago, aGENT said: Why are we adding a 5th? If anything EDM needs to add. I'm also not paying SEA anything extra to take someone either. That was the biggest mistake a lot of GM's made last ED, losing two assets instead of one. I'd far rather just not trade for Lucic and keep my future 2nd. I think you're underestimating how bad Lucic's contract is here. I'm very aware of it, but I won't get ridiculous and start saying Looch and their 8th for Eriksson. Holland isn't everything they say he is but he's also not stupid enough to do what some are suggesting. It all comes down to that extra year and NMC, which is a great leveraging point for any team trading for Looch but isn't the end all be all world beating condition some are making it out to be. I think Puljujarvi leaves Edmonton and becomes what his draft status dictates he should have, like everyone not named Yakupov has done since they left Edmonton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, D-Money said: There might be, but he doesn't play Green's game, so I don't think he'll ever get the chance. He'd probably fit in Edmonton though. Here's something I would do... To EDM: Eriksson + Goldobin To VAN: Lucic + Puljujarvi (One caveat: Lucic renegotiates his NMC so that it briefly does not apply for the expansion draft. I don't think he'd waive the right to protect himself from going to Utica permanently, but the NMC could come back July 1st). I still think we need a pick back in that deal to balance out the value and risk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: I still think we need a pick back in that deal to balance out the value and risk. I agree. Or, if a player JB is absolutely sold on is at 8 then we swap picks this year? Even with that added it's a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I'm very aware of it, but I won't get ridiculous and start saying Looch and their 8th for Eriksson. Holland isn't everything they say he is but he's also not stupid enough to do what some are suggesting. And nor do we need to be stupid enough to take on Lucic's contract for nothing more than a floundering Pool. I'm not disagreeing that Holland is unlikely to make that trade, I'm stating that it makes no sense for us to be on the other end of that. As far as I'm concerned Holland can pay up (we both agree that's unlikely) or they keep Lucic and his boat anchor dragging that team down for another 4 years. I'm in zero hurry to do them a favour. Nor should anyone else be. Edited June 10, 2019 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, rekker said: I agree. Or, if a player JB is absolutely sold on is at 8 then we swap picks this year? Even with that added it's a tough call. I don't know that its worth it tbh, how much separation is there between 8 and 10? I guess if he's super high on Broberg? I disagree that we shouldn't be going for the 8th oa outright. We have no reason at all to help out Edmonton, and it would be a massive help to them to shed that contract. Loui isn't the piece of garbage that so many seem to paint him as. Just based on last year numbers Loui would be Edmonton's 4th 5th highest scoring F. Put him with RNH and you'll see those numbers climb and greatly improve Edmontons PK. Edited June 10, 2019 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: And nor do we need to be stupid enough to take on Lucic's contract for nothing more than a floundering Pool. I'm not disagreeing that Holland is unlikely to make that trade, I'm stating that it makes no sense for us to be on the other end of that. As far as I'm concerned Holland can pay up (we both agree that's unlikely) or they keep Lucic and his boat anchor dragging that team down for another 4 years. I'm in zero hurry to do them a favour. Nor should anyone else be. If it is Looch and Puljujarvi 1-1.5 for Eriksson are you doing that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Warhippy said: If it is Looch and Puljujarvi 1-1.5 for Eriksson are you doing that? I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Warhippy said: If it is Looch and Puljujarvi 1-1.5 for Eriksson are you doing that? Sorry, not sure what Puljujarvi 1-1.5 means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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