Boudrias Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: There is no credible evidence that Taiwan possess nuclear weapons. No there isn't. I am assuming that with the threat that the CCP is too Taiwan that they would have accessed sources in either Pakistan or the Ukraine. Did the Norks develop their own weapons? Did Israel? Did Iran? Does Japan and South Korea have access to, at a minimum, tactical nukes? The world stood by as Hong Kong went under and I doubt the Taiwanese would expect better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: There is no credible evidence that Taiwan possess nuclear weapons. 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: No there isn't. I am assuming that with the threat that the CCP is too Taiwan that they would have accessed sources in either Pakistan or the Ukraine. Did the Norks develop their own weapons? Did Israel? Did Iran? Does Japan and South Korea have access to, at a minimum, tactical nukes? The world stood by as Hong Kong went under and I doubt the Taiwanese would expect better. They were developing them back in the days, but were told by the CCP that having nukes would a pre-text to an invasion. The US said they will honour all defensive pact as long as Taiwan doesn't have nuclear weapons, thus Taiwan ended their program. The US has to honour their alliance with Taiwan, if not, it would easily mean the end of NATO, ANZUS, Japan-US alliance, etc. I mean, a supposed ally that can suddenly leave you hanging, no country would rely on that anymore. Plus it would probably be the proliferation of nuclear weapons too. If South Korea and Japan feels that the US can just abandon them whenever they feel like it, they'll start developing nukes themselves. Japan is considered as a "turn-key" nuclear power.... meaning they just need to actually put the pieces together as they already have the material, the expertise and financial resources to do make such weapons. South Korea is pretty much in a similar scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Canada suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong over new security law Good, hope more countries do too. Edit: Beaten by the bell up top Edited July 3, 2020 by Kakanucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Personal commentary: Reveal hidden contents 見到七婆個西樣真係好想打爆佢個死人七頭, dllmch! Ok, now i feel better... 條7婆真係好Q黑人憎dklm... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Zheng Yanxiong: China appoints hard-line Hong Kong security chief 9 hours ago Image caption In 2011 Mr Zheng (far left) accused protesters in mainland China of being too close to foreign media China has appointed a hard-line figure as head of its new security agency in Hong Kong. Zheng Yanxiong is best known for his role in dealing with a protest over a land dispute in the southern Chinese village of Wukan. The new agency, answering directly to Beijing, is being set up to enforce a draconian security law passed this week in Hong Kong. Opponents of the law say it erodes the territory's freedoms. The law targets secession, subversion and terrorism with punishments of up to life in prison. Several leading pro-democracy activists have stepped down from their roles and one of them, one-time student leader and local legislator Nathan Law, has fled the territory. Separately, one of 10 people arrested using the new law during protests on Wednesday has become the first to be charged under it. Hundreds were detained during the clashes. The motorcyclist, accused of riding into a group of police while carrying a flag calling for the liberation of Hong Kong, was charged with inciting secession and terrorism. ************************ more in the link https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53275405 Edited July 3, 2020 by nuckin_futz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Lancaster said: They were developing them back in the days, but were told by the CCP that having nukes would a pre-text to an invasion. The US said they will honour all defensive pact as long as Taiwan doesn't have nuclear weapons, thus Taiwan ended their program. The US has to honour their alliance with Taiwan, if not, it would easily mean the end of NATO, ANZUS, Japan-US alliance, etc. I mean, a supposed ally that can suddenly leave you hanging, no country would rely on that anymore. Plus it would probably be the proliferation of nuclear weapons too. If South Korea and Japan feels that the US can just abandon them whenever they feel like it, they'll start developing nukes themselves. Japan is considered as a "turn-key" nuclear power.... meaning they just need to actually put the pieces together as they already have the material, the expertise and financial resources to do make such weapons. South Korea is pretty much in a similar scenario. I don't think there are USA troops in Taiwan. No way I would think Taiwan would put all their hopes on their allies standing with them. CCP gets troops on the ground in Taiwan and it is all over. The USA won't be sending troops it would be too late. The Covid crisis should be an eye opener as each country took care of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I don't think there are USA troops in Taiwan. No way I would think Taiwan would put all their hopes on their allies standing with them. CCP gets troops on the ground in Taiwan and it is all over. The USA won't be sending troops it would be too late. The Covid crisis should be an eye opener as each country took care of their own. It's no longer literally a defensive pact like what they have with NATO or Japan, but it has a lot of wiggle room. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Lots of vague terminologies and stuff.... pretty much the US can do whatever it takes to protect Taiwan. Sell weapons, shield them, use military force if needed. With the US 7th Fleet operating in the area and Okinawa just right beside Taiwan.... the closest the US can protect the ROC without outright declaring an alliance or stationing forces there. I mean 25% of Okinawa belongs to the US military and the US's largest combat wing (18th Wing) is stations there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Nice to read. Let's get a snowball effect going here.... I cannot think of a western country that is happy with China (CCP) right now https://www.businessinsider.com/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-accused-too-close-to-china-2020-7?r=US&IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com Merkel is under pressure to cut Germany's ties with China as the Hong Kong crisis triggers a European backlash against Beijing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Perhaps, but my original concern remains: at what cost will the West be willing to hold the CCP accountable? Empty words and minor actions won't cut it. However, nobody in the West wants to evoke warfare (and the CCP knows this), and that's likely what it's going to take in order to bring down the CCP. Whatever causes HK's economic success with it's special status needs to be shut down by western allies due to the new situation while allowing any HK citizen that wants to move to a designated group of desirable countries. economic warfare is the only weapon I see anyone using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Australian's warned they face a risk of arbitrary arrest in Hong Kong Thu 9 Jul 2020 02:10:02 GMT Australia government advises Australian citizens in Hong Kong to reconsider need to remain there given new security law says citizens may be at increased risk of detention on vaguely defined national security grounds Australian government advises citizens not to travel to Hong Kong ******************** Australian PM Morrison confirms will offer Hong Kong visas Thu 9 Jul 2020 03:12:01 GMT Says is suspending the country's extradition treaty with HK will be extending visas by five years for skilled and graduate visa holders offering a pathway to permanent Australian residency looking at fresh incentives to attract export-oriented HK firms to relocate to Australia Australia moves are in response to China's new security law Earlier: Australia set to offer visas to Hong Kong residents currently in Australia This will not make China happy, expect retaliation in the form of trade moves. ************************ Seen lots of headlines like this recently. War of words between Australia and China heating up. I am thinking Huawei can forget about installing anyone's 5G network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 The other side of this is backing China against a wall economically through trade restrictions may be a dangerous scenario... you know the whole a cornered animal is a dangerous animal thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: The other side of this is backing China against a wall economically through trade restrictions may be a dangerous scenario... you know the whole a cornered animal is a dangerous animal thing Well.... if everyone is mad at you, it's a hint that you did something wrong and need to self-reflect to figure it out and to make amends. If you start lashing out, doubling down that everybody else is the problem and willing to use threats.... that would automatically mean you're irrational and/or a piece of excrement. China is doing the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I.Am.Ironman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Figured this thread was the best place for this.. Anybody up to date on the Houston Chinese Consulate situation? USA ordered the Chinese to close the Houston Consulate due to theft and spying accusations a couple of days ago. Yesterday the consulate was burning documents, which is standard if they are to close the consulate to my understanding. Basically tensions are escalating between the two nations https://abc13.com/fire-chinese-consulate-documents-being-burned-houston-us-and-china-tensions/6328284/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: Figured this thread was the best place for this.. Anybody up to date on the Houston Chinese Consulate situation? USA ordered the Chinese to close the Houston Consulate due to theft and spying accusations a couple of days ago. Yesterday the consulate was burning documents, which is standard if they are to close the consulate to my understanding. Basically tensions are escalating between the two nations https://abc13.com/fire-chinese-consulate-documents-being-burned-houston-us-and-china-tensions/6328284/ Pompeo is due to ratchet things up in a speech after the market close. US' Pompeo to speak about China later in the day Thu 23 Jul 2020 11:49:01 GMT US secretary of state Mike Pompeo is to speak about China later today He is scheduled to speak at 2000 GMT. ********************** The administration needs a punching bag going into the election. Their attacks on Biden haven't been sticking so China will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 So.... proroguing parliament has potentially ended the committee that is probing China.... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-prorogation-halts-we-charity-hearings-potentially-ends-china-probe-by/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lancaster said: So.... proroguing parliament has potentially ended the committee that is probing China.... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-prorogation-halts-we-charity-hearings-potentially-ends-china-probe-by/ Hypocrisy abound these days Before taking power, Mr. Trudeau campaigned against using prorogation to avoid tough questions. “Stephen Harper has used prorogation to avoid difficult political circumstances. We will not,” the Liberal Party’s 2015 list of campaign promises said. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicken. said: Hypocrisy abound these days Before taking power, Mr. Trudeau campaigned against using prorogation to avoid tough questions. “Stephen Harper has used prorogation to avoid difficult political circumstances. We will not,” the Liberal Party’s 2015 list of campaign promises said. Better left on a different thread, but the point is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 22 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Today, they drop the prosecution of animal cruelty suspects where the evidence is overwhelming enough to convict. Tomorrow, who's to say they won't drop the prosecution of law enforcement or national security agents who are caught red-handed defenestrating political undesirables from the 34th floor of housing estates? Hide contents "Department of Justice" ... laughable... there is no justice with the CCP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Protestors should totally go protest with "Defund the Police" and "BLM" signs.... I wonder how the international press/people will react if the police cracks down on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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