[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on

[King Heffy]

18 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

30 goals the year before did not point to him being remotely as bad as he would be , age or not . Funny thing is greener has covered his but so many times in the media , and also gave him more rope then he ever had to and he makes those comments? I at least sorta felt sorry 4 him up until then . 

Yeah, to throw a good guy like Green who has his players' backs under the bus is inexcusable.  That was the last straw for me.

Edited July 31, 2019 by King Heffy

[cuporbust]

8 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Yeah, to throw a good guy like Green who has his players' backs under the bus is inexcusable.  That was the last straw for me.

100%

[stawns]

9 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Yeah, to throw a good guy like Green who has his players' backs under the bus is inexcusable.  That was the last straw for me.

Can you explain how he did this?

[Jester13]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Can you explain how he did this?

Oh, c'mon. Are we really out of things to talk about that we need to debate loui's comments now? (Comments that  clearly threw Green under the bus.)

[stawns]

24 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Oh, c'mon. Are we really out of things to talk about that we need to debate loui's comments now? (Comments that  clearly threw Green under the bus.)

How so? 

[smithers joe]

as more people add their opinions on this subject, it has grown into a louie is a monster thread. even JB said his remarks in sweden were not as bad as people are painting  them. louie’s agent is trying to find a place for him. we don’t know how hard that is or what has been discussed. louie isn’t an ogre. his contract sucks and his ntc is a stumbling block, but he does have some control as to where he goes. that isn’t being an ogre.

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, smithers joe said:

as more people add their opinions on this subject, it has grown into a louie is a monster thread. even JB said his remarks in sweden were not as bad as people are painting  them. louie’s agent is trying to find a place for him. we don’t know how hard that is or what has been discussed. louie isn’t an ogre. his contract sucks and his ntc is a stumbling block, but he does have some control as to where he goes. that isn’t being an ogre.

I don’t think that anyone is referring to Eriksson as a monster. He’s a player that hasn’t lived up to his contract, which seemed to be an indictment of most free agents signed the same year he was with Vancouver. 

 

I think (again only my opinion) he’s not played with enough urgency or effort to continue to earn a spot on the roster anymore. Benning clearly downplayed his comments because he’s completely informed on the situation, and to assuage Timrafan. 

[EdgarM]

I agree Loui's contract sucks but I really think that this might be getting blown way out of proportion here. I think Loui was given a short opportunity with the Sedins to provide offense but after that I think he was solely utilized as a defensive specialist as he is quite good at it. His hustle and pursuit of the puck was mostly adequate however he has "Sedin like" aggression which make it look like he lacks intensity. 

I do not see a degradation of basic skills as I noticed with the Sedins but more of a lack of drive as he is more and more critiqued for his lack of offense.

If you look at Loui's numbers, he is a slow starter when he gets on a team and slowly gets better. I don't think he was given enough time to prosper. The Sedins were declining and he was thrown around a couple of different lines before he was reverted to solely defensive duties.

I am not throwing blame to anyone but rather see a number of circumstances which brings Loui to where he is today. 

I think if he is not moved by the beginning of the season, he should be put in a position to succeed offensively and at the very least, up his value for a trade at the deadline.

I think with 3 years left at 6 mil, we have no choice but to help him improve instead of just throwing him away and losing any way that you look at it.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, smithers joe said:

as more people add their opinions on this subject, it has grown into a louie is a monster thread. even JB said his remarks in sweden were not as bad as people are painting  them. louie’s agent is trying to find a place for him. we don’t know how hard that is or what has been discussed. louie isn’t an ogre. his contract sucks and his ntc is a stumbling block, but he does have some control as to where he goes. that isn’t being an ogre.

The noisy 10% will treat him like an 'ogre' regardless of what sense you, I, Benning or anyone else may speak. Burying one's head in the sand will not change it. The media will also gladly fuel it in to a massive distraction.

 

'Ogre' and overblown comments or not, he's also in a massive uphill battle to keep a roster spot in Vancouver against at worst, equal players who are also younger, cheaper and don't come with a media/salary/comments in SWE circus around them. Those guys aren't getting waived to keep Loui and his circus around.

 

Considering all those things plus that he doesn't really fit Green's style of play, he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here, that the team is as good (and arguably better) without him here... I have a lot of trouble seeing how ANYONE can come to anything resembling a logical conclusion that he's in VAN opening night.

 

It frankly doesn't really matter that/if his comments have been overblown.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by aGENT

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Considering all those things plus that he doesn't really fit Green's style of play, he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here, that the team is as good (and arguably better) without him here... I have a lot of trouble seeing how ANYONE can come to anything resembling a logical conclusion that he's in VAN opening night.

Regardless of fan opinion, the above is really the facts of the matter. It was clearer towards the end of last season how the team played, and how it seemed (in my opinion) that Loui looked out of sync with that. The fact, which I don't believe has been disproven, that he moved his large family to Dallas this summer speaks volumes as to where Loui's intentions lie regarding his playing future.

 

I, too, can't see any feasible way that it would make sense that he is in the starting lineup on opening night.

[D.B Cooper]

1 hour ago, EdgarM said:

I agree Loui's contract sucks but I really think that this might be getting blown way out of proportion here. I think Loui was given a short opportunity with the Sedins to provide offense but after that I think he was solely utilized as a defensive specialist as he is quite good at it. His hustle and pursuit of the puck was mostly adequate however he has "Sedin like" aggression which make it look like he lacks intensity. 

I do not see a degradation of basic skills as I noticed with the Sedins but more of a lack of drive as he is more and more critiqued for his lack of offense.

If you look at Loui's numbers, he is a slow starter when he gets on a team and slowly gets better. I don't think he was given enough time to prosper. The Sedins were declining and he was thrown around a couple of different lines before he was reverted to solely defensive duties.

I am not throwing blame to anyone but rather see a number of circumstances which brings Loui to where he is today. 

I think if he is not moved by the beginning of the season, he should be put in a position to succeed offensively and at the very least, up his value for a trade at the deadline.

I think with 3 years left at 6 mil, we have no choice but to help him improve instead of just throwing him away and losing any way that you look at it.

He was given plenty of time with the Sedins. 

He was also given ample time playing with Bo on the second line.  

He spent a good amount of time with Pete early on as well.  

To say he hasn’t been given a chance is putting on major blinders.  

 

He failed to produce.  Period.  

He called out a players coach, who always defended him.  Silly move for sure.  

And his effort is piss poor. 

 

Having said all that, if he was only getting 2 million I wouldn’t complain about any of that.   But he isn’t.   

He is getting paid like a top player, but failing miserably.  

 

I doubt his trade value will go up at all. 

Id say Utica until his agent can find him a way out 

[smithers joe]

1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I don’t think that anyone is referring to Eriksson as a monster. He’s a player that hasn’t lived up to his contract, which seemed to be an indictment of most free agents signed the same year he was with Vancouver. 

 

I think (again only my opinion) he’s not played with enough urgency or effort to continue to earn a spot on the roster anymore. Benning clearly downplayed his comments because he’s completely informed on the situation, and to assuage Timrafan. 

i don’t disagree with you, but the truth of the matter is both JB and louie’s agent are trying to find a trade for him. the situation here is not good, we all know that, but louie does have a ntc this year and does control his path. fans seem to be mad at him for just not retiring or going anywhere canucks say. people should just let his situation straighten itself out.  something will happen and we will have no control over it. for me, i’ll wish louie well whatever happens. his hockey skills aside, he is a very good man who has had a good career. 

[canucklehead44]

In a sense it is good that Loui has sucked. If he lived up to his expectations and was a 25-30 goal 55-65 point producer for us his first two years the team would have likely been a bit better but still not good enough to make the playoffs. Instead of Pettersson we would probably had Mittelstadt/Rasmussen/Vilardi etc. Instead of Hughes Bouchard or Dobson. 

While those are still really good prospects they aren't nearly as dynamic or exciting as EP or Hughes. 

If we can't ditch Loui a bounce back 20/20 season would be nice. I doubt it would happen but if he is going to turn his game around now is the time. 

 

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

i don’t disagree with you, but the truth of the matter is both JB and louie’s agent are trying to find a trade for him. the situation here is not good, we all know that, but louie does have a ntc this year and does control his path. fans seem to be mad at him for just not retiring or going anywhere canucks say. people should just let his situation straighten itself out.  something will happen and we will have no control over it. for me, i’ll wish louie well whatever happens. his hockey skills aside, he is a very good man who has had a good career. 

Exactly.  Past tense.  Loui I think is learning this summer that his career as an NHL player is past.  He will retire before the season starts.  

[PhillipBlunt]

29 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

i don’t disagree with you, but the truth of the matter is both JB and louie’s agent are trying to find a trade for him. the situation here is not good, we all know that, but louie does have a ntc this year and does control his path. fans seem to be mad at him for just not retiring or going anywhere canucks say. people should just let his situation straighten itself out.  something will happen and we will have no control over it. for me, i’ll wish louie well whatever happens. his hockey skills aside, he is a very good man who has had a good career. 

Sounds familiar to another former Canuck who went to Anaheim. The anger that people showed towards Kesler because of how he utilized is similar. I don't think Eriksson should accept a trade to anywhere he doesn't want to go to, especially considering how many kids he has.

 

I mean, who wants to go to Edmonton?

 

All that being said, I think Kesler, up until the last game he played for Vancouver, always played his ass off. Personally, I don't feel that Eriksson has.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Sounds familiar to another former Canuck who went to Anaheim. The anger that people showed towards Kesler because of how he utilized is similar. I don't think Eriksson should accept a trade to anywhere he doesn't want to go to, especially considering how many kids he has.

 

I mean, who wants to go to Edmonton?

 

All that being said, I think Kesler, up until the last game he played for Vancouver, always played his ass off. Personally, I don't feel that Eriksson has.

Maybe Loui has been playing his ass off, sand he’s just aged out of the league?  Maybe his skills (hands, skating, strength) have reduced to the point where no matter how hard he tries he just can longer compete?

IMO Loui is old, and his NHL career is over.  

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Alflives said:

Maybe Loui has been playing his ass off, sand he’s just aged out of the league?  Maybe his skills (hands, skating, strength) have reduced to the point where no matter how hard he tries he just can longer compete?

IMO Loui is old, and his NHL career is over.  

To me, it doesn't look like he's invested consistently. He had points last season where he did have a multi-point game, so his ability is still clearly there.

 

I think it's a similar situation to Radim Vrbata. They both signed solid contracts as older players that many perceived as overpayment. They may have signed those contracts with the idea that they would be playing with certain player (the Sedins), and when they were put onto different lines, and utilized in ways they maybe didn't see as ideal for them, their impetus to perform wavered.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

To me, it doesn't look like he's invested consistently. He had points last season where he did have a multi-point game, so his ability is still clearly there.

 

I think it's a similar situation to Radim Vrbata. They both signed solid contracts as older players that many perceived as overpayment. They may have signed those contracts with the idea that they would be playing with certain player (the Sedins), and when they were put onto different lines, and utilized in ways they maybe didn't see as ideal for them, their impetus to perform wavered.

So you’re saying Loui is a whiner, who (because he’s not getting to play the role he expects) won’t try to help his team win?  

To me that’s way worse than skills just not being good enough anymore.

Why would any team want him?  That’s clearly behaviour of a room cancer. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Alflives

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, smithers joe said:

as more people add their opinions on this subject, it has grown into a louie is a monster thread. even JB said his remarks in sweden were not as bad as people are painting  them. louie’s agent is trying to find a place for him. we don’t know how hard that is or what has been discussed. louie isn’t an ogre. his contract sucks and his ntc is a stumbling block, but he does have some control as to where he goes. that isn’t being an ogre.

Benning is downplaying Eriksson's outburst because he is a professional, unlike our six million dollar floater.

[coastal.view]

i think we need to re-shape the narrative on loui

 

Timråfan

is right about him

i'm sure he is out there on other team's boards

convincing them all about how loui is a top notch elite player

who has simply been misused by the nucks

 

i'm soon expecting some sort of bidding war from other teams

and at least a 1st rounder being offered in exchange for him

 

i mean, excellent contract for an elite player

who is only being paid 3 million aav for the next 3 seasons

and can certainly play 1st line minutes