Borvat Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Aspie said: Out of curiosity, if Loui stays and puts up 50 points (roughly .6 p/gm), would that be enough to satisfy his cap hit valuation? Yes, but he will need to do it while playing 3rd/4th line minutes including killing penalties with zero PP time - 12:00 or so min/gm. He does not belong/deserve playing in the top six with the options/players available. He would be lucky to score 25-30 points in my opinion. So, highly unlikely. Edited July 20, 2019 by Borvat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Aspie said: Out of curiosity, if Loui stays and puts up 50 points (roughly .6 p/gm), would that be enough to satisfy his cap hit valuation? Sorry... couldn’t resist this one,. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Aspie said: Out of curiosity, if Loui stays and puts up 50 points (roughly .6 p/gm), would that be enough to satisfy his cap hit valuation? Loui could do nothing at this point that would make me want to keep him. He is soft and provides very little that is useful to this team. He is ok on the pk but that is no where near enough. He won't get 50 points so no need to play "what if" imo. Edited July 20, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kushman said: Out of curiosity, what makes you believe he will get even close to 50pts, when his grand total for the last 3 seasons combined is 44... Lets not forget his grand total of 3 hits all of last season, he's an absolute sieve. If he hits 50 pts this season, ill sing his praises all year. * assists total for last 3 years is 44, total points 76.. combined -20.. but I digress.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 12 hours ago, theo5789 said: Or consider this, how many hits of his 259 did he not have to respond to because no one was willing to stand up to do so? We may not have seen many games, but we saw our star player taken out twice last season from cheap plays or having a Boeser trying to stand up for himself and nearly wrecking his career, so that's plenty enough for me. Of course it's better to have your deterrent on the ice to exact revenge immediately, I'm not denying that, but to suggest Lucic isn't one at all is false. At this point, it's really one of the few positive points you can say about Lucic. Reaves is effective in the playoffs because he's running down the dmen. Lucic is similar in that even if it's not a massive hit, having a 230 lb guy bear down on you and getting the licks in (can't say he can't hit with 259 last season) is going to wear down guys in a playoff series. He needs to up his overall game to get back value of his contract, but his physicality/deterrence should not be downplayed. Most of Lucic's fights are after he gets drilled with a clean hit and can't take it like a man. Of course these days, he's more likely to spear an opponent in the balls like the gutless coward that he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushman Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Glug Datt said: * assists total for last 3 years is 44, total points 76.. combined -20.. but I digress.. You're right. I looked at the wrong totals. 23 24 29 Point totals in last three seasons is still pathetic for a player getting paid 6 million. Like mentioned by others, he offers nothing to this team. Softer than Charmin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Aspie said: Out of curiosity, if Loui stays and puts up 50 points (roughly .6 p/gm), would that be enough to satisfy his cap hit valuation? Is this more than just a hypothetical question, and you actually believe this could be a possibility? Sorry, but it ain't happening, not even with Scotty Bowman, in his prime, as his coach. Seriously, the offense wheels have fallen off of the LE bus, he no longer has it. Sure, he can still provide decent PK, and the little things, but so can my Aunt Ishni and half of the NHL, but it's apparent that he no longer has the drive or commitment to succeed, not in this millieu anyway, and even come close to living up to his contract. And he may not be a cancer in the room, as others have suggested he most certainly is, but his presence would certainly be a distraction, wouldn't it? For LE to even have a chance to achieve what you've offered up, even with negating all of the form, and want, and scoring touch he'd have to miracuously regain, LE and TG would have to gain each others trust again, and let bygones be bygones....yes, they're professionals, but I just don't see that happening, do you? Edited July 20, 2019 by Sophomore Jinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 14 hours ago, teepain said: they only got a 3rd round sweetener, maybe thats why benning hung up so fast ahaha good job Isn’t the third round pick conditional on Reaves scoring 21 goals and 10 more than Lucic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspie Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: Is this more than just a hypothetical question, and you actually believe this could be a possibility? Sorry, but it ain't happening, not even with Scotty Bowman, in his prime, as his coach. Seriously, the offense wheels have fallen off of the LE bus, he no longer has it. Sure, he can still provide decent PK, and the little things, but so can my Aunt Ishni and half of the NHL, but it's apparent that he no longer has the drive or commitment to succeed, not in this millieu anyway, and even come close to living up to his contract. And he may not be a cancer in the room, as others have suggested he most certainly is, but his presence would certainly be a distraction, wouldn't it? For LE to even have a chance to achieve what you've offered up, even with negating all of the form, and want, and scoring touch he'd have to miracuously regain, LE and TG would have to gain each others trust again, and let bygones be bygones....yes, they're professionals, but I just don't see that happening, do you? It was hypothetical. Eriksson hasn’t shown he would produce anything over 30 points in a full season and I think that’s even optimistic thinking. He just doesn’t fit into the way the league has been changing to the north-south offensive style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: Is this more than just a hypothetical question, and you actually believe this could be a possibility? Sorry, but it ain't happening, not even with Scotty Bowman, in his prime, as his coach. Seriously, the offense wheels have fallen off of the LE bus, he no longer has it. Sure, he can still provide decent PK, and the little things, but so can my Aunt Ishni and half of the NHL, but it's apparent that he no longer has the drive or commitment to succeed, not in this millieu anyway, and even come close to living up to his contract. And he may not be a cancer in the room, as others have suggested he most certainly is, but his presence would certainly be a distraction, wouldn't it? For LE to even have a chance to achieve what you've offered up, even with negating all of the form, and want, and scoring touch he'd have to miracuously regain, LE and TG would have to gain each others trust again, and let bygones be bygones....yes, they're professionals, but I just don't see that happening, do you? He's an above avg defensive/pk player, certainly strong enough to not be a bottom 6 liability. I don't really care what his cap hit is, if he can be a contributing player in the bottom 6, and they can't move him straight up, then I'd rather see him in the lineup than adding an asset they can't afford to give up (or retain salary) just to get rid of him. He's not nearly as bad as the jilted fan base make him out to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 No one wants him. If you had the option of him or a younger faster player at 800,000/year who would you pick? I know that we’re stuck with EK unless we can give a great incentive with him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, stawns said: He's an above avg defensive/pk player, certainly strong enough to not be a bottom 6 liability. I don't really care what his cap hit is, if he can be a contributing player in the bottom 6, and they can't move him straight up, then I'd rather see him in the lineup than adding an asset they can't afford to give up (or retain salary) just to get rid of him. He's not nearly as bad as the jilted fan base make him out to be. He is a non impact player. The space is better utilized by another. It’s time for you to realize that. He cemented his divorce from the team once he and his agent started to bad mouth the coach (who was ironically protecting him). LE will not be back. If he doesn’t get traded, he will be buried in Utica. Edited July 20, 2019 by grandmaster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, grandmaster said: He is a non impact player. The space is better utilized by another. It’s time for you to realize that. He cemented his divorce from the team once he and his agent started to bad mouth the coach (who was ironically protecting him). LE will not be back. If he doesn’t get traded, he will be buried in Utica. Exactly. When you're a marginal performer, don't badmouth the boss to the press. He decided to attempt to put pressure on the team and it's going to backfire by sending him to an appropriate league for his effort level, the AHL. You don't want someone with this much of an attitude issue on a young team so young players think the garbage that comes out of this clown's mouth is ok. Making an example of him is the best solution and clears up a spot for someone who is willing to put the work in to become an actual NHLer. Loui's made his bed and he can sleep on it instead of on the ice like he's been doing since he arrived here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Exactly. When you're a marginal performer, don't badmouth the boss to the press. He decided to attempt to put pressure on the team and it's going to backfire by sending him to an appropriate league for his effort level, the AHL. You don't want someone with this much of an attitude issue on a young team so young players think the garbage that comes out of this clown's mouth is ok. Making an example of him is the best solution and clears up a spot for someone who is willing to put the work in to become an actual NHLer. Loui's made his bed and he can sleep on it instead of on the ice like he's been doing since he arrived here. I’d much rather see Big Mac on our fourth line than Loui. Big Mac will play his guts out every shift, and get three hits every shift, not every season. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, grandmaster said: He is a non impact player. The space is better utilized by another. It’s time for you to realize that. He cemented his divorce from the team once he and his agent started to bad mouth the coach (who was ironically protecting him). LE will not be back. If he doesn’t get traded, he will be buried in Utica. Imo, that is more media driven, reinforced by the usual pitchfork toting mob. I'm not saying there's nothing there, but it's nothing serious either, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, stawns said: Imo, that is more media driven, reinforced by the usual pitchfork toting mob. I'm not saying there's nothing there, but it's nothing serious either, imo It seemed pretty deliberate on LE’s part. He crossed a line. My guess is it’s Utica for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 hours ago, King Heffy said: Most of Lucic's fights are after he gets drilled with a clean hit and can't take it like a man. Of course these days, he's more likely to spear an opponent in the balls like the gutless coward that he is. Yeah ok internet tough guy . If Lucic even looked at you the wrong way in real life you would probably pull a Forest Gump and run for 8 months straight away from him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Yeah ok internet tough guy . If Lucic even looked at you the wrong way in real life you would probably pull a Forest Gump and run for 8 months straight away from him. Personally I’d pee myself first and then get my scooter up to top speed (8 kph) ASAP. If Looch is on skates, and I’m on the sidewalk, I’m pretty sure I could get away - with just the wet Depends, of course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 hours ago, King Heffy said: Most of Lucic's fights are after he gets drilled with a clean hit and can't take it like a man. Of course these days, he's more likely to spear an opponent in the balls like the gutless coward that he is. But when Proust did the same it was awesome right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris12345 said: But when Proust did the same it was awesome right? Marchand doesn't have any so it doesn't count. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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